Re: Well here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discussion in '2001 Ford Falcon 300' started by pauljh74, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Ford's 5.4L will produce 310KW-330KW in T-series spec when released later this year. I'm sure some Holden people will say "so what? The HSV already has 300KW" but the HSV has a higher (5.7L) capacity. HSV have admitted they won't have anything more than 300KW to challenge the T-series Falcons as it would take at least 12 months to fully test the 350KW 6.2 litre V8 to make it ready for production. HSV admit the only way they will beat the top spec 5.4L is to run a higher capacity engine than Ford - just like they have done since the VR Commodore. The Hillier brothers have now developed the Arrow Falcon coupe with a 6.4L 16 valve pushrod Ford V8 (based on a very bored and stroked 302 windsor I believe - a 3.85 inch crank - the T series have 3.4 inch cranks) with 370KW. Imagine how much more it would make with a 6.2L bored and stroked version of the new 5.4? Enough to blow the 6.2L HSV V8 away I would think. It is reported the XR8 will have around 260KW from its version of the 5.4L - it's closest competitor on price will be the SS Commodore which will have only 225KW.
     
  2. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Tickford5400</i>
    <b>Ford don't need a v6. Just a new all-alloy in-line 6 with vct and dohc with t66 pumping out 1.1BAR of boost.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    That's right - there's nothing wrong with an inline 6. Think what is one of the world's best 6 cylinder engines - Porsche's boxer engine in the 911 - yes, that's one, the BMW M3 inline 6 engine is another example if not the best 6 cylinder engine. How about the Nissan RB26-DETT in the Skyline GTR - another inline 6. Whether it's inline, V or boxer doesn't mean too much, in the end it's what is in the engine.
    My friend has a VT Commodore V6 and I have an EL Falcon XR6. Open the bonnet and which one is easier to work on? The inline Ford 6 - easier to find everything and easier to reach it. And before you Holden fans say that is because Fords need more work done on them (beat you to it - because you are such simpletons and it is easy to predict your flawed claims) my friend's Commodore hasn't even hit 150,000 kms and needed reco heads - it was his mate's ex company car and not driven hard. My XE falcon S was still firing well at 275,000kms and 17.5 years without major engine work when I sold it 18 months ago - and the new owner - an 18 year old guy will get another few years at least from it without major work needed provided he doesn't wrap it around a tree.

    Out of Holden and Ford's 6 cylinder engines, which one has more power? More torque? Both go to Ford. 152KW vs Ford's 157KW. 302Nm vs Ford's 357Nm. Ford are about to raise the stakes with about 180KW in the new smoother twin cam 6 cylinder and 210KW from the turbo XR6.
     
  3. could you tell me how much liter that 6cylinder is. damn ford has all this cool engines, and the only good one is the 4.6 and the 5.4.
    we need to steal some of your engines.
     
  4. Dude, honestly, u dont know. I know it might make u feel all cool to tell people u know this and that, but seriously...... I think I speak with a little more authority on this subject. What has working at the Ford Geelong 6 cylinder engine plant got anything to do with the Tickford V8s? They dont even see the motors there. When u work for a large organisation such as that, the bottom rung employees r on a need to know basis. So, now that we have cleared up the fact that they dont need to know anything, we can agree on the fact that they dont know anything in regards to future Tickford models.
    Thanks for your time, enjoy your stay.
    PS: have u been to the geelong engine plant?? Because if u have, then u know what i am saying. If u havent, even worse.......
     
  5. 69stang you really are a dickhead. You speak on more authority? pfff oh yeah you have as much authority as a snail, and the same single figure IQ too. to answer your question, yes I have been to the Geelong plant many times before. but you obviously havnt as you would know there more than just fitter and turners and assmblers. Thers poeple who are pen pushers, theres draftsman and the like. Tickford also do some dyno runs in Geelong and the proving grounds are not far away from the Geelong plant. I'm not going to bother replying to you, you are to small minded to be worth it.
    in closing im going to ask you What makes you think all the employess in Geelong are from the bottom of the pile? The contacts who I have are in a very authoritable position, who has worked in both campbellfield and geelong.
    P.S maybe you feel like a bit fo a rebel when you like to dissagree with everyone, try and belittle them to your pettiful self, but really your just a loser who needs a life. Perhaps you might get one from santa, but I highly doubt it.
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  6. I dont see how HSV would struggle to get 350 out of the 6.2 when CSV got 330 out of a 5.7 litre... Just some food for thought. Personally i think that Ford should have made this car simply to keep the HSV boys on their toes and show their still kicking. But i dont like Ford's styling myself, but their buyers do which is fair enough.

    And the 5.6 in the TE50 isn't going to be around for long it's a limited edition, their only building them with the stroker till they run out of engines, dont know what they've got planned then, but they need something like BMW small capacity and big power so they have some room to play with for their top models.
     
  7. tickford5400 thats not very nice at all u petty little boy. Why do u resort to name calling and swearing? And has all that pent up frustration made your spelling deteriorate to such a level that I need a translator to help me read it? The place u speak of which has dyno runs isnt the engine plant in geelong. Its accross the road in product development. And the proving grounds r in lara near the you yangs. Ok, something tells me I have been to all of these places more times than u. Fancy that!! But, I'm not trying to brag about knowing something which I dont. So I only state what I know, for fact. So, say Hi to your engine plant contact for me. He probably knows me.
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  8. All right Aussies...you can ***** about this thing but I have a damn good feeling it would go over well in America. To me there is just something that screams american style but I can't figure it our. As for the horsepower it would probably run right along the new Z06.<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. Well here we go again!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You know, Holden has a v8 so Ford gets one back, It fits poorly under the bonnet of the EA body shell, but with mods it fits, OH whats this, Holden have now lifted its power to 185kw so out come the techs to try to make the tired old 5.0 a bit more powerful, well guess what holden now have a 5.7 litre , but guess what the ford gurus didnt think that they would need to stuff a bigger 8 in so they ended up with the 200kw 5.0 reworked again...............talk about going round in circles. The problem is this. This 300kw motor needs a superchargerto make the power match the VX2 gen iii 5.7 without any assistance. Ford Get your act together, dump the AU get your self some decent engines , a 4.0 quadcam v6 with VCT would be a good start, then a 4.6 Quad cam Vct eightoh and for the performance side a Twin turbo 5.0l V8 .

    In retrospect, a nice car but always finishing last behind HSV.

    Which annoys me cause i prefer the Fords to the Holdens
     
  10. Ford is coming up with a new engine
    your a dumb #$%#.. the fact that ford have gotten so much power out of a peice of shit is good.. just shows how elite they are.

    Anyway fords new standard 5.6L v8 is gonna kill any hsv.. and that #$%#ing maloo<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. Ford dotn need a v6. Just a new all-alloy in-line 6 with vct and dohc with t66 pumping out 1.1BAR of boost. Ford won't be using the 4.6 in any falcon anyway. it has a torqe curve flatter than cinday crawfords chest and it needs a supercharger to keep up with power. 5.4 will be here in less than a year powering some mean t-series and pumping out a real meaty V8 sound.
     
  12. LS6 + Commodore = Bye bye Falcon.
     
  13. why do you think that aussie hsv? Ls6 isnt much different to ls1, the head is modified a little but the block is still the same. the ls1 had reliability problems, on of the reason why chev dumped it and opted for the ls6. Holden took advantage and welcomed the engine with arms wide open.
    Our 5.4 will be just as easy if not easier to extract powerout, and I reckon holden will only get 350kw from that stroked version in the hrt maloo.
     
  14. You guys r dum arses, not just the holden guys, some of the ford guys aswell. None of u know whats coming out next. No contacts in geelong's engine plant r going to have a clue. All they will do is use a few hand tools to bolt a few bits and pieces together for 16 bucks an hour. And as for HSV, go and ask an agency casual worker on 14 bucks an hour to give u the goss on what happens there. LS6, LS1, who cares. They r a plastic piece of crapola. All you can do is listen to rumours talked about by people who dont know either way, or u can read those articles in womens magazines like motor, street machine, cleo, and dolly.
    Oh, by the way, this car is cool.
    Rock on.
     
  15. I don't know who you are insinuating as a "dumb ass" stang69 but beleive it or not I do have a little inside information in what ford will have in thier line up for the next couple of years.
     
  16. No-one in any of the Geelong plants know whats coming out of the Tickford workshop. Simple as that. U dont have any inside info on anything coming out. U havent mentioned anything that hasnt been said in some glossy car mag. All u got is rumours. Some predictions may happen, most may not. Now, if u had a contact at Tickford, maybe from the Engineering department, or someone who has a significant role in the staff or management at Tickford, I might think u would have some kind of clue. But u dont.
    Sorry
     
  17. Actually stang69 thats where your wrong. How would ford employees not know what is in the pipeline? I mean come on, they are the ones that are responsible for what will be out. But to say I don't know what I actually know is very ignorant on your part. I understand your scepticism, but it's not my fault if I know what you wish you knew. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
  18. oh and as for not mentioning anything that you havnt heard, well havnt you ever heard of a contractual obligation? Ford employess, as any employee of an automotove company are contractually obliged to confidentiality. Therefore leaking any information would be a violation of these terms. It wouldnt be cricket for me to blabber to the world the little information that I have, and no reverse psychology is going to get me to tell you either.
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  19. All the Holden loving idiots are a bunch of misguided morons who don't know crap as to what is a good car, with a balanced combo of looks, performance, dynamics and fun in driving, as compared to a car which handles like crap, steers like crap, and can't get its power to the ground properly; in other words a piece of crap underneath what holden fans only, percieve as a good looking shell. The Falcon is the former and Commodore the latter. There is no doubt amongst motoring experts that the Falcon is a better car, and it also has a far superior reliability and safety record than Holden or HSV. Sales figures don't mean shit, most car buyers are not motoring fans like most in this forum and don't know what is really the better car. The Gen3 (LS1 to Americans) V8 is the most overhyped and overrated engine I've ever heard of. It only produces more power out of sheer capacity, and shows Ford's superior enginneering if they can squeeze almost the same power from 700cc less. This engine also uses pushrods.....c'mon Holden/GM this is the 21st century, and at least Ford will get into the modern world and will have all DOHC engines when the AV launches next year. So, my conclusion is simple, Holden is a piece of crap and Ford is 10X superior overall and when AV launches next year with new and updated engines and refined chassis......good riddance Holden, fakes don't last long in the sun!!
     
  20. HAHA i agree marine way to go! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> DOHC's and QUAD CAM 32V's
     
  21. I agree guys, our DOHC V8s will be great. But seriously DOHC is nothing new, they had DOHC heads in the 30s. But yes, Pushrod engines are becoming unheard of on production cars nowadays.<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from pauljh74</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Tickford5400</i>
    <b>Ford don't need a v6. Just a new all-alloy in-line 6 with vct and dohc with t66 pumping out 1.1BAR of boost.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    That's right - there's nothing wrong with an inline 6. Think what is one of the world's best 6 cylinder engines - Porsche's boxer engine in the 911 - yes, that's one, the BMW M3 inline 6 engine is another example if not the best 6 cylinder engine. How about the Nissan RB26-DETT in the Skyline GTR - another inline 6. Whether it's inline, V or boxer doesn't mean too much, in the end it's what is in the engine.
    My friend has a VT Commodore V6 and I have an EL Falcon XR6. Open the bonnet and which one is easier to work on? The inline Ford 6 - easier to find everything and easier to reach it. And before you Holden fans say that is because Fords need more work done on them (beat you to it - because you are such simpletons and it is easy to predict your flawed claims) my friend's Commodore hasn't even hit 150,000 kms and needed reco heads - it was his mate's ex company car and not driven hard. My XE falcon S was still firing well at 275,000kms and 17.5 years without major engine work when I sold it 18 months ago - and the new owner - an 18 year old guy will get another few years at least from it without major work needed provided he doesn't wrap it around a tree.

    Out of Holden and Ford's 6 cylinder engines, which one has more power? More torque? Both go to Ford. 152KW vs Ford's 157KW. 302Nm vs Ford's 357Nm. Ford are about to raise the stakes with about 180KW in the new smoother twin cam 6 cylinder and 210KW from the turbo XR6.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->How stupid are you...really, I mean you are comparing 2 cars, most likely a good one and a bad one. You talk about your friends commodore that has problems under 150,000km...I read on a EA Falcon club website that the gaskets on the EA spec IL6 will typically blow at 100,000km - hardly something to be proud of if its correct.

    And who cares if the Falcon 6 has more power and torque then the Commoodre 6. Just so you know they both make the same kw per litre, the commodore is still quicker, and more economical (the quickest and most economical 6cyl family car I might add).

    So you reckon Ford are rasing the stakes with their new engine? HSV are already experimenting with a 200kw XU6, and Holden have plans for a 185kw twin cam 3.8L V6, so stop getting so excited over nothing.<!-- Signature -->
     

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