Re: Whats gonna beat this huh?? This car is the Shit!!!!!

Discussion in '2000 Dodge Viper GTS-R Concept' started by FoVeUrBeN, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. I dont think americans will ever be able to build a car that ccan compete with the exotics of europe with the exception of a few along the way. Such as the Saleen S7 and the GT-90, Vette even and a few more along the way but the viper will never be able to compete<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. What are you talking about? It might not take on the likes of Pagani Zonda's and McLaren F1 LM's or 911 GT1's. But the "lesser" exotics, like 360 Modena, 550 Maranello, and Lamborghini Diablo's? Certainly.

     
  3. If you have a car that is better than this fine... go ahead and diss it. On the other hand if you drive a firefly shut up fool. This car is just simply beautiful. Pull up to a trendy club downtown you wouldn't even have to park this thing. Pull up with a modified civic you'll have to park it out back.<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from LAMBOlover</i>
    <b>I dont think americans will ever be able to build a car that ccan compete with the exotics of europe with the exception of a few along the way. Such as the Saleen S7 and the GT-90, Vette even and a few more along the way but the viper will never be able to compete</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Not flaming here, but you will be proven wrong with the new Viper. mmore power and speed, but also a great chassis, with excellent at the limits manners. The Viper has finally become what it should be IMO. It is refined, still pretty Noth American in style, and capable of tearing it up on the track or road.<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. FIRST OF ALL THIS IS A CONCEPT VEHICLE. Its not a race car, its not street ready, its nothing like that. All this is is a car which there is ONE OF, trying to show the consumer what we could be in for. Sure it has 500hp 500 torque, thats pretty damn good and a stock 0-60 in 3.8 is only 0.2 behind the beloved f50 which last time i check was about 300,000 bones more then what this viper is estimated at. Not only that but for all you guys that love civics i hope in a year when the new viper comes out and the new bumped up z06 get here those guys rape you down the 1/4 mile. Civics are nothing, why not sink 10k into accent, they're the same class of car economy right? And for all those guys who praise japanese cars and european cars over american vehicles look who desinged this thing, sounds reallllll american, does it really matter who and WHERE the assembly line guy assembles all these design these cars? no.. fact is Honda for example has design and development facilities throughout the US so who cares which old man started Honda, Porsche, Lamborghini overseas.

    This car is great looking, its different, like the viper was back in 1990, different.

    Top 10 vehicles in order
    -Dodge Viper GTS
    -Porsche 980 concept
    -Corvette L88
    -Porsche 911 GT2
    -1970 Hemi Cuda 426
    -427 Shelby Cobra
    -Mercedes SL500
    -Ferrari 355 Spider
    -Ferrari 550 Maranello
    -Corvette z06
     
  6. 944Turbo

    944 Turbo is an idiot. That's all. <!-- Signature -->
     
  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Guibo</i>
    <b>What are you talking about? It might not take on the likes of Pagani Zonda's and McLaren F1 LM's or 911 GT1's. But the "lesser" exotics, like 360 Modena, 550 Maranello, and Lamborghini Diablo's? Certainly.

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    Bah , the current version already does.<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from deuginthesky</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Guibo</i>
    <b>What are you talking about? It might not take on the likes of Pagani Zonda's and McLaren F1 LM's or 911 GT1's. But the "lesser" exotics, like 360 Modena, 550 Maranello, and Lamborghini Diablo's? Certainly.

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    Bah , the current version already does.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    and loses consistently.

    It usually loses because of lack of refinement. I suppose the big issue is not whether this is faster but if it is more refined than the previous viper. It lost to the BMW M roadster, Corvette convertible (pacecar version), Porsche 911, Ferrari F355 Berlinetta, and Acura NSX, all of which are slower, just because its speed was not enough to make it an all-around exceptional sports car. It got last place.

    hopefully Dodge knows what is has to do.
     
  9. Re: Whats gonna beat this huh?? a worked HSV gts 300

    CSV(a car modifier) has thrown a small 8psi belt driven supercharger onto the 300kw hsv gts300(based on the holden commodore VX)...producing a little over 500hp....it might not go as hard out as theviper, but it lets u know that the Aussies know how to build a car!!!!

    AUSSIEW AUSSIE AUSSIE!!! OY OY OY
     
  10. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from maranello29</i>
    <b>It usually loses because of lack of refinement. I suppose the big issue is not whether this is faster but if it is more refined than the previous viper. It lost to the BMW M roadster, Corvette convertible (pacecar version), Porsche 911, Ferrari F355 Berlinetta, and Acura NSX, all of which are slower, just because its speed was not enough to make it an all-around exceptional sports car. It got last place.

    hopefully Dodge knows what is has to do.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Unfortunately, Dodge does and is making the Viper more appealing to a wider audience. Bad move, IMO. 2 generations from now, it'll be nothing more than a slightly restyled SL. Shame.
     
  11. Remember before you judge this car why it was made. It was produced to be a raw american power performer. Your not gonna find heated seats, or places to hold your laptop in this thing. Its about power and about brute force. Thats what it was designed for. They didn't include trac control or yaw control, sitting in the thing was like wedging yourself in an indy car. But Dodge as a company did what they set out to do and in saying that Viper was perfect. It was a car that excelled in everything it was supposed to. Thats all and nothing more.

    I mean some of you guys go on about how its not refined enough.. thats like asking a cadillac escalade why it can't hold 70mph in a slalom. Its not supposed to, if they wanted it to im sure they could have.. but... that wasn't the vision.
     
  12. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from edog1234</i>
    <b>Remember before you judge this car why it was made. It was produced to be a raw american power performer. Your not gonna find heated seats, or places to hold your laptop in this thing. Its about power and about brute force. Thats what it was designed for. They didn't include trac control or yaw control, sitting in the thing was like wedging yourself in an indy car. But Dodge as a company did what they set out to do and in saying that Viper was perfect. It was a car that excelled in everything it was supposed to. Thats all and nothing more.

    I mean some of you guys go on about how its not refined enough.. thats like asking a cadillac escalade why it can't hold 70mph in a slalom. Its not supposed to, if they wanted it to im sure they could have.. but... that wasn't the vision.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->wrong wrong wrong, if its a raw americna performer then why is there an a/c and heat?, no trac. or yaw to keep prices down, and in an indy car the pedals are in front wher they are supposed to be, not off the the right as i have read about this car. Whats the point of having a car for brute force n e ways?? if i wanted that i would buy a mack truck. this was supposed to be a 21st century cobra, but at least the cobra handled better then this...and if i spend upwards of 70k on a car i would expect it to be refined...its not like asking a escalade to hold 70...escalades are luxury trucks, not performers like this, i could if it was like 35 grand they could not care about making it "refined", but at the price their selling at, it should be. how about 5600 like the orignal cobra? LOL<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from edog1234</i>
    <b>Remember before you judge this car why it was made. It was produced to be a raw american power performer. Your not gonna find heated seats, or places to hold your laptop in this thing. Its about power and about brute force. Thats what it was designed for. They didn't include trac control or yaw control, sitting in the thing was like wedging yourself in an indy car. But Dodge as a company did what they set out to do and in saying that Viper was perfect. It was a car that excelled in everything it was supposed to. Thats all and nothing more.

    I mean some of you guys go on about how its not refined enough.. thats like asking a cadillac escalade why it can't hold 70mph in a slalom. Its not supposed to, if they wanted it to im sure they could have.. but... that wasn't the vision.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    yeah... that's the right idea Dodge... set the goals low. Don't try to do too many things at the same time.

    Unfortunately for the Viper, its rivals such as Porsches, Acuras, Corvettes, Ferraris, BMWs, etc. are "supposed" to excel in MORE things than the Viper, and thus do.
     
  14. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from maranello29</i>
    <b>Unfortunately for the Viper, its rivals such as Porsches, Acuras, Corvettes, Ferraris, BMWs, etc. are "supposed" to excel in MORE things than the Viper, and thus do.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Only one of those is really a direct marketplace "rival". And all are slower.
     

  15. Re: Whats gonna beat this huh?? This car is the Shit!!!!!


    Nevertheless, those cars beat it regardless of price and speed. If a Porsche 911costs slightly more and goes slower and still manages to win there must be a reason. In fact, the 911 got first place out of six sports cars and the Viper got last place, price, speed, handling, refinement and everything included in the comparison, called "Best All-around Sports Car". I suppose you are talking about the Corvette Z06 when you say only one of those is a direct marketplace rival. A Corvette convertible pace car edition costs less but goes slower and is not nearly as refined as the 911 (that also beat the Viper) but it beat the Viper also.
     
  16. ppl the important thing to remember he is the word concept in the name of the car and you know what that means(that is is not in production yet)so why compare it wid cars that are in production or have been in producton. it may be great and powerful now but when it comes to putting it on the street thing may have to be alterd and for all we know the power may have to be reduced and the companys estimated 3.8 0-60 time will to. and remember that normal drivers like use probley would not be able to extract those times out of it.and that is a estimate to <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  17. i like vipers, and screw all of you people who dont. 3 words: viper venom 800tt.


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  18. Yeah, the Cerbera 4.5 is only slightly slower (60 in 3.9, 190+ max) and thats been around for several years. This Viper is blatantly quick, but it isnt right up there setting the standards.

    Oh, and lets not forget the little tigerZ100, which is in a similar price bracket and will out accelerate and out handle this, although it does lose out considerably on top speed.
     
  19. i strongly agree dogg
     
  20. u say that any italian car can beat this car. maybe right, but no italian car has the same aura and great looks like this sucker. any italian would look feminine compared to this mean monster. Thats a thing the italians havent discovered yet... the design of a true,wild, and rough octane monster. Lets face it: Ferrari is for rich house wives only!
     
  21. hey.. are you sure this car can beat any car.. i really dont think so. i like viper. but dude. you must be umm.. a kid. this car is not the best damn car out there alright. and if your not a kid.. then your just STUPID
     
  22. You people wont stop complaining about how imports always get beaten by american cars and you dont want to believe it. Always comparing high value cars to lower value cars, sport cars to family cars and other Bull$hit. I think people would probably stop modifying cars when they start pulling 2-3 g's in accelration. How much more power do you need???????
     
  23. Yeah, the reason is that the R&T testers have different parameters in mind when deciding which car is going to "beat" which car. Obviously, you're aligned to their way of thinking. Nothing wrong with that.
    However, the jist of this thread is what is going to "beat" this performance-wise. On that count, the cars in that comparo were blown out of the water.
    Hell, if you want to really distill it even further, a Honda Accord is likely to beat this car for things like refinement, luxury, comfort, etc.
     
  24. I think this car is badass no matter what anybody says. Yeah a couple imported cars can beat it, but how much more do they cost? I think that the Dodge Viper is one of the best if not the best cars made in America today. So anyone who thinks different can kiss my @$$. And that is all I got to say.
     

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