Re: When will the americans learn how to make engines??????

Discussion in '2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra' started by snyper, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. The only thing im going to comment on is the thing about being patriotic....What a load of horseshit.

    Okay, Although all my grandparents are from Germany, my immediate family is about the most patriotic family there is. My father was in the army and served 2 years Vietnam despite his objections to the legitamacy of the war. We are amazing world and US history buffs. I won numerous state wide American history awards in elementery, middle, and high school, and know more about american history than most college history majors, my minor is in US history. We are avid voters, and love america as much as anyone. On the forth of July we display our 14 differnt official reproduction US national and military flags...from the 13 state original flag, to the Dont Tred on Me Revolutionary war flag, to the new stars and strips. I love america as much as anyone, and i feel it is the best country in the world, and probably in the history of the world post-Roman states.
    However, ever car i have every bought has been Japanese. BTW i did have an 84RX7 that i put a 350 Chevy V8 into though a few years ago, hehehehe.

    See, what many ignorent people dont understand is, that "buying american" doesnt nessisarily help the economy. Some stonch isolationist republicans believe its best to have as little foriegn trade as possible, and be as self dependent as possible. Its obvious if we needed to, we could. However, the need for international trade is crutial to our economy, and without it, the rest of the world would surpase us tremendously in technology and production efficancy. If there was some sort of bug in Japanese or German engineered products, and they all self destructed at one time....the US economy would be up shit creek without a paddle. Japanese autos have GREATLY boosted our working, and comuter capabilities. The influence of German, British, and Japanese engineered products has been EXTEAMLY important to the US industry. The same can be said about other countries....without the US influence, and technological tools in their country, they would be far behind. But seriously, if you really think you are a patriot just because you buy american, forget it, that doesnt mean shit. This day and age, the trade situation and economical situation is such that the consumer DOES NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BUYING AMERICAN if they dont like the product. If they like another product better, buy it....AND if they like the american product better....buy it.
    Its important to have pride in those things produced by your nation,...and american car enthusiast have reason to be proud, as they make many amazing cars. However, thats not to say americans should nessisary buy american cars reguardless of their prefernce to the different autos....thats stupid, and a completely out of date way of thinking.
    The cars i have bought have been based on a ratio of cost, availabilty, performance, reliability, quality....But mainly, just that that cars charector was one i was looking for. If the Dodge Razor comes out....BELIEVE ME, i will be the first on in line to buy it!! If i had a chance to buy a C5 vette, it would be mine in a heartbeat. And if G.I.Joe sees a German or Japanese car he REALLY likes, then he should buy it, and shouldnt think twice about how loyal that makes him to america.

    So basicly....if any dumb fool sees me in a Toyota, and thinks he is a more patriotic american because he drives a Ford and i drive a Jap car.....he can jump in a lake....because i can almost garuntee most of the time that i am more concerned and knowledge about american history and politics, and am more involved than he
     
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    <b>Hey, 84Fordman my grammar is proprer unlike yours. You may talk like trailor trash and go ukkkyuuuk, but I don't. And yes I'm proud being a Canadian. And your previous post which included a BMW station wagon to compare Euro luxury to "American Muscle" shows just how stupid and propaganda filled you really are. No stock AMERICAN car out there will beat the Dauer 962, F50, McLaren F1, Bugatti 16/4 Veyron, Koenigsegg in SPEED, LUXURY, OR STYLE.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Oy vey, how many times do I have to tell you kids, DO NOT COMPARE KIT/TUNER CARS TO STOCK PRODUCTION CARS, just goes to show how insecure you are. McLaren F1 is a kit/tuner car. No matter if they produced 1, or 10,000,000 F1s, it's still a kit/tuner, because McLaren commissioned a BMW engine. If McLaren used their own engine, then it would be a stock production vehicle.

    Your grammar is proprer? Sure it is...

    I agree about it having nothing to do with being patriotic. My family tree consists mostly of Irish and British. Only 3 generations of my family actually originate in the US. My grandfather faught in Korea, but that was it. I am the first generation of my family to be born in the South. I really don't care what you think about how I may sound or speak, because how many women around the world find a Canadian accent absolutely sexy? None I heard of. From women up north all the way down to Australia will tell you, there is nothing sexier than the accent of a Southerner. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">

    Anyways, as for the remaining stock production cars, I do believe the 2002 GT40 and Chevy Super Vette will well tackle speed, luxury, performance, and even *gasp* price tag. Hell the GT40 can outrun a Ferrai that is $64,000 more.

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  3. #28 SeansVette, Aug 9, 2002
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    This is for the twit who started this thread, and the many twits inbetween his post and mine.

    "Waaaaahhh is that all the horse power they can get from a supercharged V8?"

    This has an Eaton supercharger which is a roots style. Its power output is very different from Turbos for centrifugal superchargers.

    Stop looking at PEAK horse power and look at the big picture. Roots style blowers don't produce the peak horse power that centrifugal superchargers do. They produce a fxck load of low end torque, which is great to have. Did you notice the peak torque of 390ft/lbs is ONLY at 3500 RPM? What type of torque do your powder-puff BMWs make at 3500 RPM? Also notice that even though the torque has peaked at 3500, the horse power peaks much higher at 6000 RPM. That's just over a 12% loss of torque (341.38 ft/lbs at 6000 RPM).

    What this tell you is that from right off the line, at LESS than 3500 RPM all the way up to 6000 RPM you're between 340-390 ft/lbs of torque.

    THAT IS A SHXT LOAD OF USABLE TORQUE FOR A LONG FXCKING TIME!

    If you're still stuck on peak numbers then fine. Let's look at what a centrifugal supercharger can do.

    http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/yourcar/01mustang_cobra.html

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  4. hey BMW M you are a canadian, not many of us are on this furom. But out of the point again lets begin, we first started with M3 and this car, now gt40 and maclrean , i don't want to know whats next, the truth is american engines started this mass craze for speed, look at the small sports car of the 60s and 70s that came out of europe, most of them to compete took a ford v8 and won races. and still some european cars are taking american engines and tuning them to perfection. You got the money i am sure you could get the power out of the same size engines as the european cars and still have money left, ofcourse you won't get the same class notice as the MERC OR JAGS, you will get a different notice as you are smoking your apponent. Its good to see a chev fan no dissing ford.
     
  5. What about the Old GT40 Gulfs's? The 289 making 425 HP N/A. It may be 4.7 Liters, I am not sure. Americans are capable of producing good engines.
     
  6. If theyre capable, y dont they?

    the GT40 was a pure race machine, even the road going versions were just racecars with license plates....cant really use that in a comparison even if the engine was based on a mustang unit (have i got that right?)

    BMW X5 4.6iS vs Vette Z06 (just engine vs engine obviously)

    both NA, both V8, both 10.5:1 compression ratio, and yet the BMW gets 77 lbft per litre compared to the Chevys 71....y is this i wonder?....i thought the Z06 was supposed 2b americas best engined car

    even with racing cars...3 times le mans class winner Dodge Viper GTS-R vs Opel Astra X-Treme concept

    both NA, both race-spec, both 12:1 compression ratio, Opel gets a massive 98 lbft per litre compared to the Dodges 81....y is this?
     
  7. WHY ARE THERE SIDEWALKS BESIDE MOST STREETS AND HIWAYS?

    So Ford owners have a safe place to walk home



    This is your brain "CHEVY", this is your brain on drugs "FORD"


    FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS DRIVE A FORD
     
  8. Okay i think we can make engines. what about the Ford R200 Evolution? its the fastest car in the world!.<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. how comes supercars does not have this car?
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  10. #35 EliteWolverine, Aug 9, 2002
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    <b>If theyre capable, y dont they?

    the GT40 was a pure race machine, even the road going versions were just racecars with license plates....cant really use that in a comparison even if the engine was based on a mustang unit (have i got that right?)

    BMW X5 4.6iS vs Vette Z06 (just engine vs engine obviously)

    both NA, both V8, both 10.5:1 compression ratio, and yet the BMW gets 77 lbft per litre compared to the Chevys 71....y is this i wonder?....i thought the Z06 was supposed 2b americas best engined car

    even with racing cars...3 times le mans class winner Dodge Viper GTS-R vs Opel Astra X-Treme concept

    both NA, both race-spec, both 12:1 compression ratio, Opel gets a massive 98 lbft per litre compared to the Dodges 81....y is this?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    and why is it that vipers won the lemans 1,2 and why is it that they won it more than the opel astra x-treme concept?

    Comparing hp/l torque/l is a sad way to try and get ur "engine" arguement off.

    as we know comparing power/work to the area it does it in is nothing, NOTHING for performance.

    and ur bmw gets beat by the vette...why?

    so wait ur saying that becuz u have 7lbs-ft more are better...ha those cars u talked about just lost. showing how great american engineering is.

    Now lets go to price comparo....real test in reality.
    cobra...no bmw to even gaze upon in its price range.
    M3....z06 kills it, and so does this cobra.

    CHECK OUT THIS LINK
    look here: http://www.bonforums.com/cars/gt40_engines022702.htm
    ford making a 6.8l v-10, 6.0l v-12 for the gt40....those engines in the gt40 will kill the ferraris and lambos...dont think so, those engine outputs are suppposed to be in the 600hp range...and since this car already beats the ferraris(even a f50) that extra power will just embarass them.

    We have the tech we just dont want to...why try and sell a car for 66k like the m3, when we can sell it for 32k and kick its butt. Why spend so much money on a car so that it is no longer for middle class?

    The mustang is for middle class...if they wanted to they could make it cost 66k, but what for thats not what the mustang is for or made for.

    jeeze...and the 5.0L is coming back as well...just wait and see what happens then.

    Name some reasons why we dont know how to make engines...so far there has been none in this forum, and those that were stated are thrown out for stupidity, for lack of any evidence becuz of the statement, "its american" or "im a bmw so i am better" and the like.<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. #36 TPANCe 516, Aug 9, 2002
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    You didn't know what ford boy!!
    what?
    que?

    was it that you didnt know the the F150 sucks, or just ford in general boy, Yea your a boy, you will become a man when you realize that japan has the best engines and the 3000gt will destroy any ford you have or want....

    WHY DIDN'T THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?
    His F-150 got stuck

    WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD?
    To push his F-150 back into the shop

    Not Mustang its MUDstain


    WHY DO THE NEW F-150'S HAVE LARGER SCALE BUMPERS?
    It makes it easier on the tow truck.

    i got good news for you thou boy......
    They are putting handwarmers in all the new FORD cars and trucks.......in the trunk deck on cars, and in the tailgates on the pickups.......good news for the owners, their hands won't freeze when they are pushing them home!

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    For your information jackass, I was being sympathetic to stairway after some racist skinheads, probably with the same IQ as you, attacked one of his friends.

    The F-150 sucks? Ok so tell me why it's the number one selling truck in the world? Because it sucks? No no, if people bought cars because they sucked ass, they would be lining up to buy the $40,000 3000GTs that get spanked off the line by stock Mustang GTs that go for well under $25,000.

    I'm a boy? Your a funny mofo, you know that? The sad thing is, I have a truck with higher horsepower and higher torque, all in the low-end (Sub-4000 RPM), than your Shitsubishi 3000GT. While you have to rev all the way up to 4500 RPM to even get decent torque, 218 ft-lbs, when I achieved that same torque about 3000 RPM ago.

    Why didn't the chicken cross the road? Because his 3000GT, with it's horrid strut issues, balded his tires, hit a patch of water and wrapped his plastic car around a telephone pole.

    Funny how you say my truck is unreliable, show me an 18-year old Mitsubishi, that has been a daily driver for all 18 years, with it's stock motor, problem-free. What? You can't find one? Is that because Mitsubishi's barely go 8 years without an engine replacement? I'm sorry the Japs at Shitsubishi don't know how to make a reliable engine, let alone a reliable inline engine like what's under my hood.

    Oh yeah, last service date for my truck was the begining of August for an oil change, and last real service done back in June of last year. How many days ago was your Shitsubishi in the shop?

    So child, I'll make the same deal with you, as I did for CorollaRacer. You show me plenty of pics, that you have not stolen off the internet, of your supposed 3000GT and I will show you plenty of pics of my Mitsubishi-ass-kicking F-150.

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  13. ok im back and here it is...finally had the time to reply i guess.

    i will explain this not for u but for people that read this and want to say i dont know what im talking about kinda of a thing

    Torque is made many ways, but the main idea is to increase the force on the piston...if the force is increased upon the pistong it is then in turn increased the turning force..or torque.

    now to increase the force exherted on the piston we can go different ways...one is to increase compression...by either forced induction or higher compression pistons.

    A turbo doesnt increase the volume of air for that is the matter of the size of the cylinder and the porting...but it does increase the density of the air...making it more dense therfore more parts per volume of air. Now becuz of that it will increase the force becuz more air is more power or a more powerful spark and more powerfull explosion...of course one can increase the gas intake as well...that will also increase the spark force explosion.

    One can just simply bore out the engine...effectively putting the same amount of air in a bigger volume than the forced-induction car. Sure it will hurt the torque/L rating but it will still get the more torque from the bore.

    Another way is to redo the timing and valve size....and of course stoke...longer stroke and the piston has more velocity as it moves down...increasing the torque or the twisting force.

    Now if torque was dependent on two things like hp is...then it might be relevant in the torque/L ratio.

    But since we can increase torque without increasing displacement then its out of the arguement.

    People get mad at big engines becuz they have bad number ratios...but in fact they are better engines.

    The bigger engine not only has a more hp capacity and torque capacity...but many if not all of them are not even at their full potential when stock from the factory.

    Take this car for example...svt limited the exhaust flow so that it will have a limited amount of hp...they have stated that removing the exhaust and putting in a performance flowing exhaust in its place...one will pass the 400bhp mark.

    But it just happens to be that its cheaper to bore out a engine and more reliable as well, than to spend lots of money on timing and valve control and fuel control and forced-induction from turbos.

    The fact that boring is the cheapest simplest, and best way to increase hp and torque...gets people mad, real mad, becuz thats what american cars do, and what euro jap cars dont do...and american cars always are winning in its class becuz of it.

    No one can deny the power delivered by a bigger engine...Take the NSX the 911 and the z06...just tested in road and track...all three drivers got better times with the z06...even though the pavement was wet and very slippery....they said getting used to the power after driving the other two was like trying to control the power of a 15megaton bomb if u will...it took time to get used to all that power...and they loved it.

    But the z06 has less hp/L and torque/L than both of them...but yet its still faster.

    a engines performance can not be compared to a power/volume ratio...becuz volume is such of a variable in itself that its hard to make that kind of a comparison when comparing engines.

    Now if we compared like engines...say equivalent Volume or Liters then yes hp/l and torque/L would matter...for the fact that since volume is fixed, it means the one with a higher hp/l and torque/l ratio will have the higher output engine...becuz volume is fixed...but in this world that is never the case.

    and everyone knows that in order to get more power...one will and eventually increase the bore or volume of the engine.

    i think i got what i needed to say.

    oh yea a m3 owner is trading his car for a cobra...once it hits the dealers...many bmw owners consider driving other cars before they buy their current car...my friend owns those hatchback bmws and now he wants to trade it in for a mustang gt.

    and if u can afford it then ur not looking for performance ur looking for luxury something jaguar has over bmw...like the new s type jag...not only makes bmw look like child play in luxury but it does it for 20k less.

    and nascar is traced even farther...but i doubt that lemans was started in the 20's i think it was the 40's it began in...nascar was running on the beaches of daytona far longer than most racing series were even thought of....the only thing was it wasnt sactioned until later...but the races were held...the word nascar came in later to give the sport a name.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>1st off 84Ford Man, mayb u should check your facts, the last Ford engined F1 car 2 win a race was Johnny Herbert in 1999....that was a 1 off, before that, ur looking at probably 1994 since Ford last won a grand prix, so im NOT wrong

    as for rallying, i said in my post that ford has won a couple of rallies recently, just not any championships

    as for le mans, my point stands and as for NASCAR, until euro makes get in2 it, which they never will, u cant say 'oooh, look at GM for doing so well'....likewise dragsters

    now, Elitewolverine, the F50 actually beats the Mustang Cobra R at torque/litre....dunno how u think otherwise, F50 = 347lbft, 4.7-litres = 74lbft/L...cobra = 385lbft, 5.4-litres = 71lbft/L

    i mentioned earlier that there r many ways 2 increase torque, and that it is only fair 2 compare 2 cars with similar boost pressure and compression ratio, 2 account 4 such variations

    ur helping me argue my own point by saying the 2nd F50 will win, im agreeing with u there, and am agreeing with u on a lot of things u say, however i stand by all of what i have said, i suppose we can agree 2 disagree....until u wanna type up ur explanation, which id like 2 hear (aerodynamics is my speciality, im just getting started on engine design)</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Won a few rallies? Since they only won a few, I guess that's why they are only 2nd place in World Rally standings right now, just 4 pts under Peugeot. The next rally in France can put Ford into 1st place. Colin McRae won quite a few times in the Ford Focus throughout 1999-2001.

    You said the closest Ford got was Jaguar and they sucked. I proved you wrong, you said Johnny Herbet won in 1999 (Again, not that long ago). Ford has been in more than just Jaguar at Formula 1, so your point does not stand.<!-- Signature -->
     
  15. some people don't get it. The person who can afford an M5 or M3, and its just by the way your shitty american version that only gets 333hp the euro and every other version is 252kw.

    People who buy a M model car by BMW don't care about price, if they can afford one of those they can afford a top of the line Mercedes a Porsche, Jag, Masarati or a bunch of other Euros. There not in the same class, never will be an M5 compared to this cobra is the equilivant of comparing the M5 to a Bentley Arnage. Ones grossly more expensive and a little slower in a straight line, but oozes class, style, luxury and ample performance to boot.

    ITs fine to go on about price, ask an M5 or M3 owner if they considered a Ford Cobra, I bet you the answer's no. They wouldn't drive one. People who buy these cars don't buy them simply for straight line performance or traffic light drags. But if you took them both to the twisties the M3 would kill this thing.

    As for people commenting on the expertise of BMW's Motorsport's division ability to make engines its been widely praised that the new inline 3.2 6 in the M3 is the best 6 cylinder engine in the world, capable of 25 million calculations a second. Pretty impressive stuff huh? not to mention the fact that the pistions move at a rate of
    78 ft per second (in case thats not too impressive, thats on par with a F1 motor). And it makes its peak power output at redline.

    Thats just the M3 motor, i don't really think i need to go onto the M5 V8. BMW make great motors. Anyone with any knowledge of their cars could they make the best motors in the world remember the Mclaren F1? They built that. nuff said
     
  16. SeansVette, all valid points, and 1 of the best arguments against me....however, u rightly stated that Chevys engineers arent allowed to spend loads of money on an amazing engine, and have to 'make do' with the admittedly very good Z06 engine. BMW engineers however have more money to spend on engines coz their cars cost more

    that means that BMW engines SHOULD be better than Chevys, and they ARE

    and that means that no american can say that Chevy engines are better than BMW engines, because they arent, BMW spend more money on development to make the best engines in the world, IF chevy spent as much as BMW, then yeh, theyd make engines as good as if not better than BMW, but since thats not the case, BMW wins

    all along ive said that america will always win the value-for-money competition, a 9/10 car at a low price is better than an 10/10 car at a very high price....no doubt
     
  17. SeansVette, meet the Jaguar S-Type R....a british magazine recently tested 1 and got a high of 30.5mpg, and thats with 400hp and 408lbft, more than a match for the Z06

    Did the Cadillac Cien actually have an engine??...i thought it was just an idea to have a 7.5-litre V12, has 1 actually been made?

    who cares who makes the best whatever at the price, if uve got money...SPEND IT, u cant blame BMW for spending lots of money making good engines and say things like BMW cant make cheap good engines so they suck compared to Chevy who can....the only thing that matters is that BMW make the best engines in the world, its not like GM/Ford r poor companies who cant afford R&D money, theyre the richest companies in the world, they could buy BMW several times over

    would BMW dare make an engine with less than 70hp/litre and 70lbft/litre?...no (well, mayb 68 or something)...they COULD if they wanted 2, instead of putting the 4.6 engine in the X5, they could put a crappy 7.0-litre 16 valve pushrod beefcake lump of iron in it and get the same 350hp, but do they??....hell no, y?...because theyre not american

    Dodge make good engines do they?....the new Viper has an 8.3-litre V10 with a pathetic 500hp and 500lbft, thats absolutely hopeless, look at the Bentley Hunaudieres concept, thats only an 8.0-litre and has 630hp and 561 lbft.....so what if im comparing a V10 to a W16, if W16s r better then y the hell dont Dodge make 1???

    i can once again compare a Diablo SV to a Z06 engine, chevy has 405hp and 400 lbft, lambo has 530hp and 450 lbft....if V12s r so much better than V8s then y the hell dont Chevy make 1? with 4 or 5 valves per cylinder, with quad overhead cams, aluminium heads and block?....not these stone-age pushrod 2valve cast iron lumps

    the reason y europeans/japanese make good engines is because they want 2, they think it'll make there cars look good compared to the competition, the reason they cost more is because theyre better built that american cars, which even american journalists say r rubbish, camaros and mustangs with comically bad build quality, THATS y theyre so cheap

    Cosworth dont have much money do they?..they get PAID to make engines by Ford, thats y the DFV is the most sucessful F1 engine of all time, Ford threw millions at them and said 'make us the best engine u can'...and they did. 2day, ford pay them 2 make Jaguars F1 engines, and theyre hardly the best in the world r they?...and theyre BRITISH anyway....try using an american company 2 demonstrate how good u r at making engines

    All F1 cars r euro/jap, all CART cars r euro/jap, all rally cars r euro/jap, le mans winners r euro/jap

    the only american engines that r half decent is the Caddy Northstar LMP, even Vettes and Vipers only win GTS-class because theyre the only cars 2 race in that class these days (along with Saleens)

    u cant use NASCAR since thats all-american, cant use dragsters for the same reason.....so show me an american engine that beats a euro/jap with the *SAME* displacement. Screw the pricetag, america is the richest country in the world, so y arent they the BEST at making engines???
     
  18. #43 The El Man, Aug 9, 2002
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    You obviously havent got a clue. I would like 2 c BMW get that much torque from a similar engine, or accelarate as fast as the Mustang does!

    Plus compare the sound of a Ford/Chevy V8 compared to a BMW V8. No comparison except the ridiculously priced (but oh so sweet Z8).


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  19. HMMM....M5 is 1/2 the price of the Z8. Phatest sedan ever built. Something that will cause your neighbors jaw drop upon your purchase. Cobra is still just a pony. Or WTF is it really? A SNAKE or A HORSE?Name is just as confusing as what Ford designers are producing these days.<!-- Signature -->
     
  20. #45 The El Man, Aug 9, 2002
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    a mustang is a type of horse. Ford Mustang has many horses and roar like a lion, unlike a horse....that it is......

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    <b>HMMM....M5 is 1/2 the price of the Z8. Phatest sedan ever built. Something that will cause your neighbors jaw drop upon your purchase. Cobra is still just a pony. Or WTF is it really? A SNAKE or A HORSE?Name is just as confusing as what Ford designers are producing these days.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    It's a pony with the venom of a snake! Actually it's 390 horses with the venom of a snake!! Man this car kicks ass!!! And what the hell do you mean "Name is just as confusing as what Ford designers are producing these days"? Whats so confusing about the new cobra or the gt-40? You must mean youre scared and not confused since the new fords are kicking some major ass again!!
     
  22. Pathetic is when a Germany company forget all his own roots copying and american engine (V8) and one stupid fellow comes here talking lika a brainless.<!-- Signature -->
     
  23. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Lido Iacocca</i>
    <b>Pathetic is when a Germany company forget all his own roots copying and american engine (V8) and one stupid fellow comes here talking lika a brainless.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    So let me get this straight your saying the v8 configuration should be used by americans only.. dumbass...
     
  24. The technology that goes into a BMW engine is significantly greater than that used in the Mustang, which results in the obvious price difference. As well, BMW does not build a car in the same class as the Mustang. The 330Ci is the closest, but that is stretching the comparison too far because of the vastly different technology (and Quality) used in the cars.<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. #50 BMW M, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from The El Man</i>
    <b>You obviously havent got a clue. I would like 2 c BMW get that much torque from a similar engine, or accelarate as fast as the Mustang does!

    Plus compare the sound of a Ford/Chevy V8 compared to a BMW V8. No comparison except the ridiculously priced (but oh so sweet Z8).


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    El Man your retarded! There is no stock mustang or chevy (besides the Z06) that could beat the M5 in a race. Who cares about the "sound" of the engine. The M5 is a monster than performs very smoothly and out-accelerates any stock mustang and even the "tuned" Cobra. The M5 is the fastest Saloon car in the world and it combines great euro handling (something no American car will ever have), Luxury fit for a KING, QUALITY engineering, and one of the best designs around, hence it's price tag. If you wanna play with concept of tuning, I can bring in Schnitzer, Hamann, and Dinan. The M3 GTR does 0-60 in 3.4 seconds. And the Z8 is a God compared to the Mustang that is the equivalence of a peasant. BMW is not overpriced, you get what you pay for: QUALITY. Mustang's have horrid resale value and they break down rather easily.<!-- Signature -->
     

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