Re: which of these is the best 360gt-porsche gt2-viper

Discussion in '2002 Ferrari 360 GT' started by BigWillman, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. The 360 GT is better than the Porsche (since it won the champioinship), but you can't compare it with the Viper since they're not in the same class: The Viper is in GT, the 360 is in N-GT. Nonetheless, the Ferrari has often been able to have greater cornering speed than the Vipers.
     
  2. Just giving my six pence worth.
    each car has a very different ideology for extracting power.
    ferrari=using high revs.
    Porsche=turbochrging
    Dodge=large displacement
    One cant start comparing which is betta it just doesnt make sense,we will be here all day.

    By the way shefx said that the porsche had a in line six?????
    um last time i looked after porsche engineers had done their tweek to the GT2 it was a flat 6.maybe im wrong???

    Some one help me out.

    Pesonaly I rate the Ferrari.
     
  3. The Viper is the best race car as it has dominated every class it has entered exept the ALMS GTS where the Saleen S7R dominates. hey are all very good but the fact that neither the Porsche or the Ferrari can consistently beat the Viper prooves that whatever you think of the car it can beat the other two. And to settle the argument that the Viper only gets it's power from high displacement is that is exactly how it gets it's power. The porsche is allowed a turbo the Viper isn't, the Ferrari has the best engine because it has the power but no turbo or high displacement it just isn't quite quick enough in it's current form.
     
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  5. Im confused.

    Could you tell me why we are comparing a base Dodge Viper against heavily modified versions of fabulous cars?

    Do you really think thats a fair comparison?

    The dodge viper in this comparison isn't modified in any way. The GT2 and 360 GT versions are heavily modified track versions. This comparison makes no sense. If you want to compare, you'll have to wait for a Factory modified version of the Viper. Do not forget this. It takes both Porsche and Ferrari stock v stock, no modifications. Im talkin Base stock of each versions. This means Dodge Viper vs Porche Carrera vs 360. Then we'll talk and see who gets owned. Till then..

    ~peace.
     
  6. I just have to mention one more thing.

    The fact that you are even comparing a base Dodge Viper against these two Track/Racing prepped cars just says something about what you really think. You think that a base Dodge Viper is a good competitor for any heavily modified Porche and Ferrari. Need I say more?

    I dont think you want to see a track version of the Viper. If the base version is already considered a good competitor, imagine what the track version would do.


    I rest my case.
     
  7. #32 Dazzlarr, Nov 11, 2002
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    where can I see the results of the viper kicking every other cars arse. cause in the australian league it aint kicking arse. Its always up there in the top 5. but its ferrari and porsche that dominate. With lambo being right in there a lot.

    www.procar.com.au

    ferrari has nearly all the lap records.
     
  8. There is a replacement for displacement, contrary to most muscle car beliefs.. it's called ENGINEERING. 500hp from a 8L V-10 is a lot of horsepower.. but inefficient as hell, how about 680hp from a stock 3.5L V6??

    That's engineering for you, granted it's from a supercar (Jaguar XJ220), and a Viper can hardly be considered a supercar when compared with a pure-bred track car like the XJ220, but it just shows what good engineering can do for a car.
     
  9. that jag u just named was the biggest sales flop in super car history...some supercar.....


    Ne ways does ne one no if these are street legal asides from their race inspired mods
     
  10. #35 Absolut Hemi, Nov 11, 2002
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    lol. Does Dodge even race in the same leagues as ferrari?
    as far as I know, there is NO factory based Dodge Viper racing team right now. But heres some links of the past.

    Dodge Win
    http://www.luckywolf.com/
    Dodge Win
    http://www.almslive.com/viperresultse.htm
    Dodge Win
    http://www.autoweb.com.au/cms/news/newsarticle.html?&id=CHR&doc=chr9906141
    Dodge Win http://www.theautochannel.com/news/date/20000206/news007365.html
    Dodge Win
    http://www.chrysler-motorsports.com/history_2000.asp
    Dodge Win
    http://www.downhill.to/celica/auto_racing/lemans_1999/gts_results.html
    Dodge Win
    http://www.downhill.to/celica/auto_racing/lemans_1998/gt2_results.html
    Dodge places 7th overall, 1st in its class, even beating LMP racers.
    http://web4.duc.auburn.edu/~campbmw/bigmoney/lemansfinish.html

    I could go on and on..But, I think I made my point. Just be patient, and Dodge Viper will be back in 2003 with the new viper ready to own again ok? ty gg.
     
  11. why does it matter wether people bought it or not?.

    It was made a long long time ago, and it looks sweet and performs increadibly.

    It was the fastest production car untill the mclaren F1.
     
  12. #37 Absolut Hemi, Nov 11, 2002
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    You wanna talk engineering?

    How about this. 1 word:

    Hemi

    The chrysler hemi is based on a 40-50 year old design, the Hemi is still used in ALL Top Fuel cars, Most NHRA Funny Cars, and many other leagues as well.
    Top Fuel cars do the 1/4 mile in 4.5xxx seconds @ 320+mph.
    Wanna talk efficiency?

    How does 2,400 HP from a 500CID enegine sound?
    Heres a link right here to a Pontiac NHRA Funny Car:

    http://www.absolutepleasureracing.com/specs.html

    Note: Although its based on a Pontiac design, notice what engine propells it. HEMI.

    Show me an engine made by Ferrari or Porche that is used in there competitors cars. Show me an engine from either maker, from the 60's that can still compete today.

    Show me a 2400 horsepower Ferrari V-12.

    The truth is, a Chrysler Hemi can have, with the right setup, around 5500 HP. I have never heard of any Porche,Ferrari engine having that much power. period.
     
  13. compareing top fuel cars to race cars is silly.

    For straight out power a simple design can be a lot better.


    But to make usuable power from a lightweight engine, and also chasis etc is a totaly different ball park.


    I mean you could use that argument to say F1 cars are shitily engineered cause their engines dont produce bugger all power compared to 2400hp
     
  14. First, What's the model viper you are comparing?
    Second, The Porsche GT2 is Porsche's top model, and this Ferrari, well... is not.
    The GT2 kicks all the asses(cars) presented here.
     
  15. The GT2 is a production car, not a "heavily modified version of a fabulous car", smart boy.
     

  16. Remind me why you are comparing the "pure-bred track car like the XJ220," against a convirtable GT Tourer?

    Now thats just silly.

    Why dont you go find some links that prove that the XJ220 was engineered so good? As far as I remember, the "pure-bred track car...XJ220" never won a big time racing event. Even in full racing trim. Meanwhile, the "hardly supercar" modified GT Tourer known as the Dodge Viper has taken many wins, and has been called the Fastest Production car in the World how many times? It seemed every time a new HMS Viper came out, Motor Trend tested it and exclaimed, " HMS Dodge Viper 500,550,600,650,650R,800TT.etc. is the Fastest Production Car in the World.." Now thats engineering.

    Oh, and to mr vette dude...
    plz..the GT2 is the result of heavy modifications to the Porche Carrera. ok? GT2 is not the base porche 911. Viper IS the base model. There are no Hi-performance versions of the 2003 Viper SRT-10.
    ok smart boy?
    Get your facts straight next time.
     
  17. I'd have to agree with the people talking about how the Viper is not modified. However, even if the Viper is all ready for Lemans, I reckon it still depends on how you're going to test these babies. If it's more like a drag race or a fast race track, the Viper will be something to watch. The yanks have stock a huge V10 at the front which has a very impressive top end speed. But bring the sharp corners and the late braking of the nimble Porsche will make you want to see what that monster really is. Personally though I'd take the Porsche. You Viper fans might not accept this and you have the right to like what you like, but the Plymouth Cuda 6-pack, the 455 HO Trans-Am heydays are over. They need to think about how they can pump out more KWs out of a more efficient, light engine and not just sticking a truck drive train on a chassis like the Vipers and expect it to perform.
     
  18. Dodge Viper won Le Mans in 1998,1999,2000
    placing 1,2, in every year. one year it was 1,2,3,5.

    heh. but ferrari doesnt race there, so who knows.
     
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  20. granted it was a flop, because Jaguar promised the 700HP v12, and ford decided to tone it down.
    The XJ220 is street legal.
    and was the fastest car in the world at its time.
    the reason why the v12 was not produced? because it got banned from racing.
     
  21. love the porsche, but i dunno
     
  22. the XJ220 is second only to the McLaren. though they have the same engineers.
    the XJ220 also won the 24 hours at Le Mans
    in 90 XJR-12 placed 1st and 2nd.
    1993 the XJ220 raced and clearly destroyed everyone. but was denied to politics.
    i thought the bugatti w16 was the fastest production car.
    neverthless, the XJ220 lead way to the XJ-16, another le mans winner, and awesome production car.
     
  23. Porsche GT2 could be the best, but I would take the Viper.
     
  24. For the last time, good God! You cannot compare the 360 GT or the GT2 with the LeMans Viper, because they're not in the same class!!! Ferrari and GT2 are in FIA N-GT, Viper is in FIA GT. If you want to compare a Ferrari with a Viper from the same GT class, use the Prodrive 550 Maranello, a great racecar.
     
  25. Thank god some one else realized that these three cars are not in the same classes. The only possible way would be if somehow they all ended up in the same racing league, in the same class. In order for a porche to compete with a standered stock viper, it MUST be modified from its base form. (in blueprint, they ALL start from a weakling porche carrera, and are modified from there.) A Ferrari on the other hand, is a very fast car, and needs no modifications to run with a stock viper. So why compare a track ready Ferrari, a "track ready" porche, against a GT Touring, non modified, standered Viper, equiped soly for Street Touring only?

    There you have it. Yes the GT2 is stock, but its a highly modified version of the Carrera. Yes the 360 GT is Stock, but it is a higly modified version of the 360. There is NO hi-performance Viper that is factory made that is better than the current viper.
    (Unless you get the non street legal Viper Compitition Coupe)
    ITS EXACTLY LIKE IF YOU WERE TO COMPARE THE LE MANS VIPER AGAINST THESE STOCK PORCHES AND FERRARIS.

    SO QUIT COMPARING THEM.
     

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