Re: Why do people think this is the worlds greatest car?

Discussion in '2001 HSV VX2 SV300' started by Tickford5400, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from slutmonkey3</i>
    <b>im a holden fan and i dont think holdens are the best cars in the world. explain to me why this car should not be compared to the m5 or e55. the gts proved itself on the track against the m5 and e55 and did it in their own backyard on what could be called one of the most difficult tracks in the world. have you seen inside the sv300, its fantastic, just as good and the interior of the bimmer and merc. its build quality is great. why would i pay much more for the bimmer or merc if i can get a car that has equal performance. better handling and is just as nice to drive. that engine is the same one out of the vette and wont let you down anytime soon. what people are you talking about. i love holden but dont hate ford, alas they cant seem to come up with anything to take on euros best, at least hsv had a go. i give credit where it is needed</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->The lads got a point though. I mean, if we role reversed for a minute where Ford would be in holdens position and vise verser, WE would be the ones comparing against mircs and bimmas.
    Although I feel that Fords are better quality than Holdens anyway, that is still based on opinion.
    With that engine though the LS1 especially in commodores has proven a nasty thing. poeple have spent 1000's of $$$ in repairs becasue Holden voided the warranties. I have read in the stories in the double figues of HSV and SS commodre owners on LS1.com complaing about this.<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. It's great to see the Maxima finally getting some praise! I've been driving a 97 model for the past 6 months, and think it's fantastic. My old man drives a VX Executive, and in all honesty, there's no comparison. I'm only 18 and I can see the Holden's shortcomings. I'm not here to bag the Commodore, just to point out a few things. The engine has a tendency to stall at its liking, there is a nasty transmission shudder on take-off, and parts of the interior (badging, A/C controls, etc.) are beginning to fall off. And it only has 40000km's on the clock. The Maxima, on the other hand, has done 150000km's, and still feels as new as the day it was bought. The Nissan's engine is incredible (its possible to redline it time and again without feeling a single iota of vibration, unlike the Commodore which gives the impression that is about to explode as it approaches its 5500rpm redline). In my Maxima, FWD is no disadvantage as I have uprated the tyres to cancel out understeer, and personally, at my age I would prefer it (I wouldnt trust myself with RWD). I think the Maxima is probably THE most underrated car on the Australian market - it does all that a Commodore or Falcon can do, only better. They're good cars the Holdens, but not world class.
     
  3. Well said, boy... I really missed my Maxima...<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. i put u on msn cos im a young driver too just thought u b good to talk to. look at my profile on msn when u go on to see what i drive!<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from erwin</i>
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    <b>Well, for some reason, I dnever seen a FWD V8... Maybe it's too heavy for a FWD...

    But to me, a RWD car don't symbolize OZ at all... It's more American and Euro than OZ and OZ try so hard to immitate this and embracing it so it looks like their own...

    As for the handling of a FWD car, I think Maxima is one of the best big, FWD car in terms of handling... I used to own a '98 Maxima and now I drive an Accord occasionally, and I can tell you the Nissan handle way better than the Honda... And forget about Mitsubishi and Toyota, they wouldn't compare to the Nissan...

    As for your loyalty, I think it made sense in every way that you would choose a Bimmer over a Ford if the price is similar... Man, you may love something, but it don't make a mandatory out of you to own it, right?

    By the way, have you ever driven the Holden or the Ford? I think Holden don't handle as good as Fords, tho... But they are getting better...</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Actually im learnin to drive. I drive one of three cars;
    1. Toyota Corolla (1997/8); instructers car. It handles pretty good for a FWD car. It's steering is heavier than most cars. But this is good, cars that have the steering so light, that you can move the steering wheel with your pinky are dangerous.
    1b: Toyota Starlet (instucters old car). Biggest POS on earth. No power, steering sucks, inprecise, only good thing is the economy.

    2. VN Commodore; Sisters car. Pretty good, nice weighted steering. No grip in rear wheels though :(

    3. VX Calais; Awesome. Tons of feel (as much as I can tell). Just enough power ;). I love this car, although I havent been in the Ford yet :( So I cant compare. But it handles great, ok it's luxury, it could do with stiffer springs and shocks.

    One bad thing, IT STILL HAS BUGS IN IT! Both front seats need to be replaced (well drivers side has been, next will be passenger). Faulty mounting brakcets I think. When you acclerated or braked, the seat moved, like it was loose, not a great feeling.

    Electrics can be dated back to the 70's. I mean, f@CK, the indicators didnt work, so they got replaced (i think it was the activating mechanism, when you went to indicate, crunching noise and nothing happened). Then one week after they were replaced, same thing.

    Now the brake lights may or may not be workn. A warning light sometimes shows up when braking (inidcating rear ligh bulb failure).

    I dont get it, a f@king 50 grand car, and the electrics and other problems, sorry but if I paid this much I would be so pissed.

    But appart from that it's a nice car, would kill for one (or ford equivalent). Ohh it's the Supercharged V6.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Wouldn't you be able to have all that stuff replaced? Wouldn't a VX Calais be under warranty still? Oh and why are you bagging the Starlet so much? They go just as quick as any other car that size, it steers fine, it goes where you point it. Might like to remind you that a Starlet is a run around city car, not a sports car, and as a city run around car you couldnt do much better.<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. Why do people think this is the worlds greatest car?

    I dont get it, I mean I live in Australia and all, yes I go for ford, but I dont hate holden. Anyway this car is great, but it is and will never be in the same calibare as the euro saloons. People please sont say that this is the greatest XYZ, because it isnt, although it is good it aint that good.<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from erwin</i>
    <b>I dont get it, I mean I live in Australia and all, yes I go for ford, but I dont hate holden. Anyway this car is great, but it is and will never be in the same calibare as the euro saloons. People please sont say that this is the greatest XYZ, because it isnt, although it is good it aint that good.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->What do you Define as the greatest car? If someone defines the greatest car as one that performs better than another then maybe they are uneducatedly presuming that this car performs better than the M5 so therefore it must be better.
    I define the greatest car as one that one that combines both breathtaking performance, whcih includes brakes,handling and acceleration, as well as cumfort, driveability and a decent asking price.
    No this Does not mean I like WRX's althoug I think 200SX's are a great car. I look for all of the above in the market which I look in whcih is sedans preferably RWD.
    One more thing Id like to add. The new Magna's are a great car, pity about the fwd though. <!-- Signature -->
     
  8. I mean everyone thinks (well ok sheep following holden fans) that the Holden is the greatest car in the world. Look at the thread were they compare it to the M5 and E55. I mean it's good, but it isnt in the league a car like an M5, for it's price in Aus it's great value (if u call 100K value). It seems that holden cant tell the difference between great cars and world class cars.<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. im a holden fan and i dont think holdens are the best cars in the world. explain to me why this car should not be compared to the m5 or e55. the gts proved itself on the track against the m5 and e55 and did it in their own backyard on what could be called one of the most difficult tracks in the world. have you seen inside the sv300, its fantastic, just as good and the interior of the bimmer and merc. its build quality is great. why would i pay much more for the bimmer or merc if i can get a car that has equal performance. better handling and is just as nice to drive. that engine is the same one out of the vette and wont let you down anytime soon. what people are you talking about. i love holden but dont hate ford, alas they cant seem to come up with anything to take on euros best, at least hsv had a go. i give credit where it is needed<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. Yeah fair enough, i'll give holden credit for this car. But I dont know, it just doesnt compete with the merc or bmw. It's a great car, but some people seem to think that it's the best car in the world. And as for quality, i havent seen anything wrong with this car. I like it and all, it's just not the greatest car in the world as some ppl think.<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. It's peoples perception of it whcih is detrimental to this Car. It is obviously overrated and therefore compared against products it can't fit on it's plate. It definately gives the best of Japan and Germany a run ofr their money, but also definately comes out second best.<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. If it wasnt for import tax (or our crappy dollar) if u compared this to the merc or BMW, not in price but everything else. I think that the euro's would come out on top, but other's still think this is better. It's good value, but in terms of engineering a Nissan Maxima is better.<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from erwin</i>
    <b>If it wasnt for import tax (or our crappy dollar) if u compared this to the merc or BMW, not in price but everything else. I think that the euro's would come out on top, but other's still think this is better. It's good value, but in terms of engineering a Nissan Maxima is better.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I agree 100% on this one... I owned a Nissan Maxima a couple years back, and I really think it is a better car comparing to Falcons, Magnas, Commodores, Veradas and Camrys... Yet, they don't sell as good as those cars... I wonder why... Is it because the Nissans are not manufactured in OZ?<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. Probably because most people are too loyal. I mean ok, when my parents were lookn for another car, when my dad changed jobs, they looked at a used maxima (cause dealer ran out of new ones!) and my mum asked to turn on the climate control (it was like 35 degrees outside). Within a minute and no noise the car became cool. My dad opted for a VX Calais (he got something like 10grand off the price cause it was a demonstater). The climate control is great, except it still sounds like a standard commodore air conditioning.

    It's minor things like that that make the difference between Ford/Holden and overseas companies. Ford and holden to really compete need to engineer and refine their cars more, even if it's the more upper class cars.

    As for the maxima, I dont know, I see alot in sydney, it's just nissan dont advertise all that much, mainly the pulsar. I also very rairly see a test drive between the Maxima, Fairmont and Calais. I think some people wont buy it cause it isnt Australian which is stupid it is a better car. The only problem that I can find with a Maxima is that it's FWD, and people in Australia want RWD. It's got a great engine, but if it was RWD i think they would sell alot more.<!-- Signature -->
     
  15. I don't understand their concept in choosing the RWD... When a RWD don't handle that great, I think a FWD is a better option, don't you agree? I mean, sure it represents true sportscar, but it gets whooped by Integra Type-R on the track constantly... Well, I've seen it myself, so don't try to argue with me with some stupid argument...

    And for the loyalty... Would you be loyal if that means you have to sacrifice your relaiability, built-quality and time-and-money for it? Don't think so... Not in this planet!<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from YarRacing</i>
    <b>I don't understand their concept in choosing the RWD... When a RWD don't handle that great, I think a FWD is a better option, don't you agree? I mean, sure it represents true sportscar, but it gets whooped by Integra Type-R on the track constantly... Well, I've seen it myself, so don't try to argue with me with some stupid argument...

    And for the loyalty... Would you be loyal if that means you have to sacrifice your relaiability, built-quality and time-and-money for it? Don't think so... Not in this planet!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    RWD is great. FWD sucks! (<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> j/k).

    No RWD is awesome in a car, i love it. FWD sedans (not sports cars, sedans like the maxima which are heavy) dont have that sporty feel as some FWD cars do (as you mentioned the Integra type R). Try to fling a normal magna around, (which is 300kg lighter than any base model ford or holden) and you will feel torque steer, it will have too much understeer etc. RWD cars are what symbolise Australia, they were always built that way and always will be. I think the Maxima should be RWD, it's has a gem of an engine, but FWD is holding it back, Nissan still hasnt found out how to make a FWD car have neutral steering (lotus have with the Elan).

    In australia people just prefer RWD, I could not see a FWD V8 for some reason <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">

    And as to loyalty, I am with Ford, but if I could buy a 323i for the same price as an XR8, I would in a flash, fact is if the tariffs were lifted, the government would lose money, and our manufacturers would go out of business.<!-- Signature -->
     
  17. Well, for some reason, I dnever seen a FWD V8... Maybe it's too heavy for a FWD...

    But to me, a RWD car don't symbolize OZ at all... It's more American and Euro than OZ and OZ try so hard to immitate this and embracing it so it looks like their own...

    As for the handling of a FWD car, I think Maxima is one of the best big, FWD car in terms of handling... I used to own a '98 Maxima and now I drive an Accord occasionally, and I can tell you the Nissan handle way better than the Honda... And forget about Mitsubishi and Toyota, they wouldn't compare to the Nissan...

    As for your loyalty, I think it made sense in every way that you would choose a Bimmer over a Ford if the price is similar... Man, you may love something, but it don't make a mandatory out of you to own it, right?

    By the way, have you ever driven the Holden or the Ford? I think Holden don't handle as good as Fords, tho... But they are getting better...<!-- Signature -->
     
  18. well if you like fwd thats cool but its pointless to try to say that fwd is better for a sports car. anyway i like this car and would not mind it in my garage<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. You would hardly ever see a fwd v8. Even if you did it wont be for a sports car. The weight distribution would'nt be evenly spread. Imagine having a heavy v8 and the differential all in the one axle. There wouldnt be enough rear end stability and the car would understeer like anything. TYhe Cnetre of gravity would also be out of whack so you would need a firmer rear end, and a very stiff front end suspension. Also you would need brake bias of like 70/30 in favour of the front ned just to haul the car up. And all this would be due to weight. It does really depend on the weight of the V8 though.

    Also Remember Honda Integra is a very light car. What does it weigh? Like 1100kg? Focus RS is also an exceptional handling fwd car, and remember the Mini cooper S winning at bathurst? Becasue of it's sheer lightness.
    RWD + Manual = FUN!<!-- Signature -->
     
  20. I ain't saying I like FWD. In fact my car is RWD and I always like RWD cars...

    All I was saying in the first place was this is a good car, but there are better cars that don't make this HSV the greatest in the world...<!-- Signature -->
     
  21. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from YarRacing</i>
    <b>Well, for some reason, I dnever seen a FWD V8... Maybe it's too heavy for a FWD...

    But to me, a RWD car don't symbolize OZ at all... It's more American and Euro than OZ and OZ try so hard to immitate this and embracing it so it looks like their own...

    As for the handling of a FWD car, I think Maxima is one of the best big, FWD car in terms of handling... I used to own a '98 Maxima and now I drive an Accord occasionally, and I can tell you the Nissan handle way better than the Honda... And forget about Mitsubishi and Toyota, they wouldn't compare to the Nissan...

    As for your loyalty, I think it made sense in every way that you would choose a Bimmer over a Ford if the price is similar... Man, you may love something, but it don't make a mandatory out of you to own it, right?

    By the way, have you ever driven the Holden or the Ford? I think Holden don't handle as good as Fords, tho... But they are getting better...</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Actually im learnin to drive. I drive one of three cars;
    1. Toyota Corolla (1997/8); instructers car. It handles pretty good for a FWD car. It's steering is heavier than most cars. But this is good, cars that have the steering so light, that you can move the steering wheel with your pinky are dangerous.
    1b: Toyota Starlet (instucters old car). Biggest POS on earth. No power, steering sucks, inprecise, only good thing is the economy.

    2. VN Commodore; Sisters car. Pretty good, nice weighted steering. No grip in rear wheels though :(

    3. VX Calais; Awesome. Tons of feel (as much as I can tell). Just enough power ;). I love this car, although I havent been in the Ford yet :( So I cant compare. But it handles great, ok it's luxury, it could do with stiffer springs and shocks.

    One bad thing, IT STILL HAS BUGS IN IT! Both front seats need to be replaced (well drivers side has been, next will be passenger). Faulty mounting brakcets I think. When you acclerated or braked, the seat moved, like it was loose, not a great feeling.

    Electrics can be dated back to the 70's. I mean, f@CK, the indicators didnt work, so they got replaced (i think it was the activating mechanism, when you went to indicate, crunching noise and nothing happened). Then one week after they were replaced, same thing.

    Now the brake lights may or may not be workn. A warning light sometimes shows up when braking (inidcating rear ligh bulb failure).

    I dont get it, a f@king 50 grand car, and the electrics and other problems, sorry but if I paid this much I would be so pissed.

    But appart from that it's a nice car, would kill for one (or ford equivalent). Ohh it's the Supercharged V6.<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. Wow! You are learning to drive, yet you are so informative on these cars... Man, I hope you be a great one someday... Just don't waste your time trying to immitate bad habits on the street...

    I actually surprise that they have so many bugs in the Commodore... I thought they have already solve reliability problems... What are you planning to get for your own car, anyway?<!-- Signature -->
     
  23. I dont know whats going on at Holden quality control, I think someone just sleeps in on the days when my dads car gets built (my dads old VT executive, jeez, now that had bugs, I think they were multiplying! <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">)


    Ohhh as to bugs in the VX, ummm we actually had an ants nest inside the front passenger door seal!!! No kiddn, we went for a drive, I opened the door and noticed ants carrying white lookn things (probably larve). I shook the seal, and a couple of hundred came running out!. hehehehe, talk about bugs in the VX ;)


    AS for my first car, dont know but probably somethn like a 90's (early, 1990/91) Mitsubishi Lancer. Dont need anything that will chew my petrol. I have been in them and they are quite nice to drive. All i will do is makea bit more power (come on it really has nothing compared to the Calais). It wont be a r!ce car though, a good exhaust, but not all that loud. Maybe some bigger wheels so I can get bigger brakes. And tune the suspension. Cause I love the twisty bits!

    How bout u, what u got/will have?

    Ohhh dude u have AIM (aol internet messanger?)<!-- Signature -->
     
  24. Nope, I don't have AIM... Have you got MSN?

    I think you are making a very wise decision on your first car... Don't believe the hype, man... Get whatever you feel like driving... After all, it is you who spend the time behind the wheel.<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. yeah got MSn, not on much, but will try to be on more often. my name thingy is revhead22@hotmail.com<!-- Signature -->
     

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