Re: Why do u guys like american carz??

Discussion in '2002 Chevrolet Camaro SS 35th Anniversary' started by C5 R Vette, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. #101 American HP, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from EmmArTooGuy</i>
    <b>Rthompson issued this challenge:

    "Can you find ANY other cars that can get 28 MPG and on the same day put up a 3.9 second 0-60, 12.5 second 1/4 mile, brake from 60 MPH in 103-104 ft, put up near 1g on the skidpad and still maintain LEV standards, any price, not just under the $50,000 that the Z06 is, I bet you can't find more than 2 under $200,000 and NONE under $100,000."

    Well heres my best shot. You can buy a Caterham R500 for about $70K USD. It looks just like the Caterham Super 7. It weighs just over 1100 pounds. It has 230 bhp giving the highest power:weight ratio of any current production car. 0-60 in 3.X seconds. I had to ask around to get the following info. Several owners said the stock 1/4 mile is high 11s or low 12s. They all said they get about 40 mpg. How much did you bet that I can't find one for under $100,000?

    http://www.caterham.co.uk/showroom/new/seven/superlight/r500tech.htm

    Its not only faster than the Z06 but it will get noticed a lot more too. And if your one of those guys that relies on his car to get attention from girls, you'll get more with this.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I guess you can call that a car, but it looks like a go-cart to me.
     
  2. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from LegendNH</i>
    <b>wow 230hp find me a car that has 400hp and still gets 28mpg, I don't see why you have to come into the american forum and try and make your pocket rocket look better why don't you go into the oriental area of these forums and talk about it there? Ahh your probably insecure about yourself and your car that you have to come into an american forum and try and make your pocket rocket look better. In the end of the day the V8 wins every race 4 bangers are for boys. V8's are for men.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    1. I came in here because I wanted to read about this car.
    2. Some one asked an unoffensive question. Even stated that it was just their opinion.
    3. Someone jumped on them for it and started ragging on foreign cars.
    4. I defended them.
    5. Someone started trying to talk race cars...I shot them down.
    6. Someone started trying to talk about the Z06 like it is "The Car God"...I shot them down.
    7. Then you get bent out of shape.
    8. You learn not to bash other cars.
    9. I don't have to shut you down.

    If I were insecure about owning a first generation MR2 would I have bought two of them? Its not as fast as a Z06 but its just as fun (from experience) and gets more attention (from experience) and how many 17 year old Vettes have perfect factory original paint and interior? I don't mean a restoration, I mean original. Get from in front of your computer and go watch an SCCA club racing event. You'll see lots of Lotus/Caterham Super 7s and you'll also notice that they dominate racing.

    BTW: How many STOCK GM cars run high 11s in the 1/4 mile? How fast is the Caterham Super 7 R500?

    Just stop bashing 4 bangers and imports.<!-- Signature -->
     
  3. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Roaring Fourties</i>
    <b>American car companies just couldn't be screwed to make a car to rival the Japs coz it would be a waste of time and money because as soon as it got close to a ***** ass racer in his twin turbo NOS injected Skyline with all his spoilers and gay shit like that, once it jumped off the line the japs would go home thinking about the stupid mistakes they had made <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> long live the V8 beasts of the good ol' US of A!!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You think your 5.7 is fast off the line?

    R&T Sports & GT Cars 2001

    2001 Pontiac Firebird 10th Anniversary Firehawk
    0-40 mph......3.0
    0-60 mph......5.4
    0-80 mph......8.9
    0-100 mph.....13.1

    0-1320 ft.....13.9 @103.3

    R&T July 1999 AWD Sports Cars Volume 50, Number 11

    2000 Nissan Skyline GT-R
    0-40 mph......2.7
    0-60 mph......5.4
    0-80 mph......8.7
    0-100 mph.....13.0

    0-1320 ft ....13.7 @ 103.5

    The SLP has more power and torque and weighs less but it still isn't as fast. Looks like one of these cars needs some better engineering and it looks like SLP should "go home and think about the stupid mistakes they made".

    Toyota makes/has made some very potent V8s as well...

    In 1969 and 1970 Toyota made a naturally aspirated 4968cc DOHC V8 ENDURANCE engine: 800 bhp @ 8000 rpm

    Over30 years later GM finally makes a Vette that can finish Le Mans (about time)...powered by naturally aspirated 6980cc OHV V8 endurance engine that can only make 610 bhp @ 6200 rpm.

    Who is it that can make a better V8?

    I don't dislike domestic cars but if you're going to bash jap cars you should do your homework first...But then you wouldn't be able to bash them any more.<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. why do we like american cars, hell iam canadian and i am not like u howard i hate rice burners such as what u are talking about and if u truly are candian u would take a corvette z06 over an nsx

    and another thing who the hell do u think u are to say the mustang camaro and all the american cars look the same hell if i had any idea where u lived i would come over in a ZO6 and take u for a little joyride all the way to hell and back!

    but if i had to live with imports all my life i would have killed myself already

    the fact is :

    AMERICAN MUSCLE ALL THE WAY !
     
  5. SS : 2+2 coupe, 13.8 in the 1/4
    Supra: 2+2 coupe, 13.5 in the 1/4

    Sure the Toyota costs more but it performs better and lasts longer too.

    I dont know where you get your facts but the 02'ss runs a 5.2 0-60 and a 1/4 mile in 13.5/107.3. im am not exactly sure what the supra runs but I have seen it at slower numbers than that. that slso depends on which magazine you read or which track you run at. 00' Firehawk goes 13.2/106.6 in the Quarter.
    Lets not get into the 80k skyline.
     
  6. Those numbers are from the March 2002 motor trend. the one with the new mustang on the front.
    The october issue of 2001 has the r-33 skyline at 5.12 0-60 and the 1/4 mile in 13.58/101.92. it also cost 47k. go look up the numbers.

    I do like supra's though. they are nice, but not faster.
     
  7. i totaly agree with d street at the top of the page i think some rice burners are cool with a ton of mods but you really cant not like a low pitched american bad ass screaming down the street
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  8. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from EmmArTooGuy</i>
    <b>"I doubt that it would pass crash tests and emissions anyways, and if you could actually get one into the US i doubt that you could get it for that price..."

    You can get this car in the USA. There ARE distributors of Caterham vehicles in North America. The car is just as legal to own and drive on the streets as a Z06 and it has enough ground clearance to drive around without bottoming out on EVERYTHING. $70K is the USA price for the R500 that runs 11.9 sec 1/4 miles (the base model is $26,595). UK price is about 33K pounds. Its such a simple car that you can even buy it as a kit for $40K, though it is a production car...Not a kitcar. If you go watch some SCCA Club Racing you'll see a LOT of these little cars. They dominate club racing. I've seen them trash cars that are TRACK ONLY and cost about 5 times as much. I saw one beat a TRACK ONLY NSX with a 680 bhp turbo engine and also a TRACK ONLY 1993 ZR-1 with about $60K worth of mods/labor in it. The Super 7 that beat them was track only too...About 400 bhp, to get the same HP/LB your Z06 would need 1200 bhp. And if you did that it would only be able to make a few laps before they had to swap in a different engine. That was at the Texas World Speedway road course (lot of sweeping turns). This car's main advantage on the track is the fact that it HANDLES so well. So how bad would it beat those cars on a tighter track?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    If we want to get into little go-karts that wizz down the street, get a Shelby Cobra Kit and throw in a 427, then take your little Caterham and go cry home to mommy.
     
  9. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from ffattack</i>
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    If we want to get into little go-karts that wizz down the street, get a Shelby Cobra Kit and throw in a 427, then take your little Caterham and go cry home to mommy.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    If you'd go watch some of the vintage/classic auto races or some SCCA club racing like I said, you'd see that Cobras fall under the heel of the Super 7s as well. Besides, we're talking about production cars. If I were going to build a kit I'd still build a Lotus 7 replica (identical to the Caterham but not the real thing) and for under $10K have the same performance as the Caterham Super 7 R500.

    BTW: If you don't believe me about the Super 7s in the races, go pick up the current issue of KitCar magazine and see for yourself. There is a nice little article about some replica auto racing and guess what car beat all the Vette, Cobra, and GT40 replicas...Yep, a Lotus 7 replica (looks just like the Caterham) but it has the 1.3 liter RX-7 TT engine. So go build a Cobra that cost 5 times as much as a Super 7 replica but you'll still get beat by them. And then you can cry to your mommy. Although she is probably tired of your ignorance by now anyway.<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. Typical Euro-Trash-Yuppie! Where were you born, Howy? Or should I say Osama Bin Ladin? American cars are as American as Rock'n'Roll and BBQs. Maybe you followers of baby-boomer ideals should stop looking at GQ mags, and start looking in the mirror to see the trendy, candy-coated garbage the overpaid suits are leading you around with. When you buy something from outside the US that is created right here, you weaken the US economy! IT'S MY OPINION that you should be ashamed of yourself, and punished for treason! America Makes the best-Snuffs the rest. Get Up or Get Out! Oh, and the answer to your question: Maybe it's because we are AMERICANS! "Support 81"
     
  11. Is Ford guilty of treason for having ties with Aston Martin, Jaguar, Cosworth, and Mazda? What about GM and Lotus? GM also talked of a merger with Toyota a couple of years ago. Did you know that most Dodge cars have a frame built by Mercedes-Benz and are powered by Mitsubishi engines? What is my point here? That we all live on the same planet so there is no reason to hate someone (or their product) just because they are of a different nationality. I'm looking for a car at a certain price and it comes down to foreign Vs domestic, I'll choose the one that has the better value. Not the one that shows my patriotism. If you think I should drive a domestic car, go pick one out and give it to me. I won't be the one paying for it though.<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from japcarsrule</i>
    <b>american cars suck so bad. they started this pony power war the japs are gonna finish it. oh and by the way, camaros suck!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> excuse u for being so ignorant!!! the only thing jap cars are gonna do is stand in the shadow of the great american cars. without nos or putting another 15 grand in ur rice pots u call engines any american badazz would smoke u. and as far as camaros sucking, put any stock jap car against it and see who comes out on top. if u dissagree FAH-Q<!-- Signature -->
     
  13. SS : 2+2 coupe, 13.8 in the 1/4
    Supra: 2+2 coupe, 13.5 in the 1/4

    Sure the Toyota costs more but it performs better and lasts longer too.<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. I guess this discussion has nothing to do with the Chevy Camaro anymore.

    And for all the guys talking about Toyota Supra, MR2, aand whatever...
    uhm I don't think any of these cars gets close to the Chevy in terms of bang for the buck, none of them gives you that performance for the price, but hey then of course the new MR2 is just a little underpowered roaster and the Supra isn't around anymore right?<!-- Signature -->
     
  15. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from ivanhoe</i>
    <b>I guess this discussion has nothing to do with the Chevy Camaro anymore.

    And for all the guys talking about Toyota Supra, MR2, aand whatever...
    uhm I don't think any of these cars gets close to the Chevy in terms of bang for the buck, none of them gives you that performance for the price, but hey then of course the new MR2 is just a little underpowered roaster and the Supra isn't around anymore right?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Like I said: if you don't like the price find a way to make more money.

    Does anybody remember Group B Rallying? It was for ultra high performance PRODUCTION cars. Anyway there was a Group B option for the first generation MR2...They had AWD and about 600 bhp making them one of the fastest production street cars ever. Just based on experience I'd say low 11s to high 10s in the 1/4. Don't believe me??? Go to your library and tell the librarian you want to read about "Group B Rally events".

    I started looking at this car because I thought it was cool but its sadly overated by its fans. I just wish people could enjoy its strenths without bashing other cars to make it look better than it is.<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. HAHA!!!someone said MR2 in a chevy forum HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!Camaros Corvettes Mustangs GT40s Trans ams and Anything Yank beat anything Ching in my opinion but maybe thats just because i love the sound of a vibrating V8 and smoking back tires and the smell of premium unleaded <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> WITH NO NOS IN SIGHT!!!!America could make a car to kill anything Jap if import die hards owners fans etc come in here and say yank tanks are shit they obviously need theropy because a 5.7 V8 and 1.6 tonnes compared to 2.6 straight sixes with two whistles attached to it and less weight and $wd come to mind think of the grand GT40 of any Mark........American car companies just couldn't be screwed to make a car to rival the Japs coz it would be a waste of time and money because as soon as it got close to a ***** ass racer in his twin turbo NOS injected Skyline with all his spoilers and gay shit like that, once it jumped off the line the japs would go home thinking about the stupid mistakes they had made <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> long live the V8 beasts of the good ol' US of A!!!!<!-- Signature -->
     
  17. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from EmmArTooGuy</i>


    Does anybody remember Group B Rallying? It was for ultra high performance PRODUCTION cars. Anyway there was a Group B option for the first generation MR2...They had AWD and about 600 bhp making them one of the fastest production street cars ever. Just based on experience I'd say low 11s to high 10s in the 1/4. Don't believe me??? Go to your library and tell the librarian you want to read about "Group B Rally events".

    I started looking at this car because I thought it was cool but its sadly overated by its fans. I just wish people could enjoy its strenths without bashing other cars to make it look better than it is.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Group B cars as "production" cars is a joke - they had to produce only 200 copies for base model and then 20 copies of the true badass evolution versions with kevlar bodies and spaceframes. And the extra copies of the evolution versions, which might have been left over from the testing and the rally stages, definitely didnŽt get to streets to be driven by the average joes.

    Anyway, Toyota MR2Žs B-group version never entered any competition, as the series were canceled before it was finished. GM has unfortunately had little interest in rallying, but the Opel division has entered the B-group contest and they won the driverŽs championship with Ascona 400 in 1982.

    Regarding to Camaro vs. Supra contest, cars have to be tested same day at the same track to get even results and that only tells the difference of those two particular cars. And also saying that Supra is more reliable than Camaro, is not necessarily true.
     
  18. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from EmmArTooGuy</i>


    Does anybody remember Group B Rallying? It was for ultra high performance PRODUCTION cars. Anyway there was a Group B option for the first generation MR2...They had AWD and about 600 bhp making them one of the fastest production street cars ever. Just based on experience I'd say low 11s to high 10s in the 1/4. Don't believe me??? Go to your library and tell the librarian you want to read about "Group B Rally events".

    I started looking at this car because I thought it was cool but its sadly overated by its fans. I just wish people could enjoy its strenths without bashing other cars to make it look better than it is.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Group B cars as "production" cars is a joke - they had to produce only 200 copies for base model and then 20 copies of the true badass evolution versions with kevlar bodies and spaceframes. And the extra copies of the evolution versions, which might have been left over from the testing and the rally stages, definitely didnŽt get to streets to be driven by the average joes.

    Anyway, Toyota MR2Žs B-group version never entered any competition, as the series were canceled before it was finished. GM has unfortunately had little interest in rallying, but the Opel division has entered the B-group contest and they won the driverŽs championship with Ascona 400 in 1982.

    Regarding to Camaro vs. Supra contest, cars have to be tested same day at the same track to get even results and that only tells the difference of those two particular cars. And also saying that Supra is more reliable than Camaro, is not necessarily true. In the long run, itŽs not true at all.
     
  19. I can tell all you domestic haters to kiss my ass. Camaros and firebirds dominate over a ricer any day. A fast ricer costs almost twice as much, and still ain't faster. Why do you like jap crap? Japanese should just stick to making video games and motorcycles. Thier cars are TOO DAMN SMALL. Here's what you get from a jap car:

    1. Uncomfortablly tiny interior

    2. No power

    3. Cheaply made chinese newspaper parts

    4. Chinese carpet seating

    Why would anyone want one? To look gay on the streets? <!-- Signature -->
     
  20. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from mahrens34</i>
    <b>SS : 2+2 coupe, 13.8 in the 1/4
    Supra: 2+2 coupe, 13.5 in the 1/4

    Sure the Toyota costs more but it performs better and lasts longer too.

    I dont know where you get your facts but the 02'ss runs a 5.2 0-60 and a 1/4 mile in 13.5/107.3. im am not exactly sure what the supra runs but I have seen it at slower numbers than that. that slso depends on which magazine you read or which track you run at. 00' Firehawk goes 13.2/106.6 in the Quarter.
    Lets not get into the 80k skyline.

    Those numbers are from the March 2002 motor trend. the one with the new mustang on the front.
    The october issue of 2001 has the r-33 skyline at 5.12 0-60 and the 1/4 mile in 13.58/101.92. it also cost 47k. go look up the numbers.

    I do like supra's though. they are nice, but not faster. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    My figures come from R&T, the biggest and most reliable test magazine. I'm sorry you underestimate the Supra. Nubers about power and torque don't make speed but the tests that say the Supra is faster than the F body cars are true. I'n 1998 I read an article that compared the RX-7, Supra, Corvette, and 300ZX. The 1/4 mile ranking went RX-7, Supra, Vette, 300ZX. Handling was Supra, RX-7, Vette, 300ZX. In the end they selected the 300ZX because it had more creature comforts. I don't even remember the magazine so I can't prove it. I'm not saying that the Supra is faster than the new Z06 or Viper but it is noticably faster than the Firebird, Camaro, and Mustang. The base Supra is also faster than the base models of the afformentioned cars. Another reason I like turbocharged cars is because the performance stays about the same at high altitude. Take a 1998 Supra Bi-Turbo and a 2001 Corvette Z06 and run them at 6000 ft above sea level and the Z06 will lose by about 20 ft. The Viper at the same altitude would be only 1 ft ahead of the Supra and the Viper would be slower out of the hole. Turbos are not as affected by environmental chnges because they maintain costnt manifold conditions.<!-- Signature -->
     
  21. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from EmmArTooGuy</i><b>My figures come from R&T, the biggest and most reliable test magazine. I'm sorry you underestimate the Supra. Nubers about power and torque don't make speed but the tests that say the Supra is faster than the F body cars are true.

    Another reason I like turbocharged cars is because the performance stays about the same at high altitude. Take a 1998 Supra Bi-Turbo and a 2001 Corvette Z06 and run them at 6000 ft above sea level and the Z06 will lose by about 20 ft. The Viper at the same altitude would be only 1 ft ahead of the Supra and the Viper would be slower out of the hole. Turbos are not as affected by environmental chnges because they maintain costnt manifold conditions.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    There are also tests that tell that F-bodies are faster, SS has posted even sub 13 times. I wouldnŽt take them too seriously, but if we look at manufacturer numbers, Supra has 320 turbo horses vs. (late model) F-body 320-325 NA horses and more torque. They are about equal weight, so in a series of tests, according to the laws of physics, the F-bodies should and will be slightly faster.

    ItŽs true that forced induction cars are affected slower than NAs by altitude. Still, high altitude performance is nice, but if you donŽt live in a mountain, what does it matter?

    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from EmmArTooGuy</i><b>Toyota makes/has made some very potent V8s as well...

    In 1969 and 1970 Toyota made a naturally aspirated 4968cc DOHC V8 ENDURANCE engine: 800 bhp @ 8000 rpm

    Over30 years later GM finally makes a Vette that can finish Le Mans (about time)...powered by naturally aspirated 6980cc OHV V8 endurance engine that can only make 610 bhp @ 6200 rpm.

    Who is it that can make a better V8?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Nice endurance engine by Toyota, but how did it endure? Over 30 years later, Toyota makes a 4700 cc V8 with 245 hp, a whopping 52 hp/litre (with DOHC!), for the Tundra concept. Have they at Toyota really forgotten so badly something they used to do well, or could it be that youŽve just overlooked something in your assumptions...?
     
  22. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Bearing</i>
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    Nice endurance engine by Toyota, but how did it endure? Over 30 years later, Toyota makes a 4700 cc V8 with 245 hp, a whopping 52 hp/litre (with DOHC!), for the Tundra concept. Have they at Toyota really forgotten so badly something they used to do well, or could it be that youŽve just overlooked something in your assumptions...?

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    DOHC just reduces friction (ask why and I'll explain). The 2UZ-FE (4.7 L AKA 4663 cc) has F type heads. Its a wedge combustion chamber not a hemi like the Group 7 engine I spoke of. The F type heads are designed for low end response (what you need on a truck or sedan). The engine does what it is intended to do. HP/L is a product of combustion efficiency and volumetric efficiency at high rpm. Since you're mouthing about HP/L I'll remind you that the 4.7 L make more HP/L than the 5.7 L. It also makes more Lb-ft/L. Does this make it faster? No but Toyota's engine technology is greater. No assumptions here... I use to be into domestic power but once I did some research I found Toyota's racing teams to be far more succesful. I'll give specific examples if you like. When ford, gm, or dodge can hold some racing records over Toyota I'll go back to them. <!-- Signature -->
     
  23. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Bearing</i>
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    There are also tests that tell that F-bodies are faster, SS has posted even sub 13 times. I wouldnŽt take them too seriously, but if we look at manufacturer numbers, Supra has 320 turbo horses vs. (late model) F-body 320-325 NA horses and more torque. They are about equal weight, so in a series of tests, according to the laws of physics, the F-bodies should and will be slightly faster.

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    Like I said man, get R&T. They didn't become the biggest test magazine by being bias and publishing BS. Speed isn't made by peak BHP. If you look at the HP curve on a graph its the AREA under the curve that is important, not the curve's maximum point, according to the laws of physics. Take a college physics class. If you have, go back because you forgot something. Also one of the problems gm had with the c5-r was that the gearbox was soaking up about 150 bhp while cars with comparable output were only losing about 90 bhp. This reflects their best racing efforts so I doubt their street cars have lower percentage drive-line-losses. Its true that the problem with the gearbox losses has been fixed but the street version has changed little. That is one of the reasons the Supra is faster than the F-bodies. The other is a wider power band. If you don't believe me about the Supra vs f-body check the times on this site. If you don't believe those, go post somewhere else.<!-- Signature -->
     
  24. You can arque back and forth about weather Supra was faster or the F-bodies, but consider this. Either way the performance numbers are close, right? Not only is the base price of the Supra more than the F-body, but that was the price way back in the early 90s. If you compare the dollar back then to the dollar now, the price is WAY more. I remember back in those days if you saw someone driving a brand spanking new supra, people would say,"damn, I wonder what he does for a living."

    You can argue about the Supra all day long, but the fact is with an F-body you have similar performance for a much cheaper price. You can't beat the bang for the buck of American cars. <!-- Signature -->
     
  25. You can arque back and forth about weather Supra was faster or the F-bodies, but consider this. Either way the performance numbers are close, right? Not only is the base price of the Supra more than the F-body, but that was the price way back in the early 90s. If you compare the dollar back then to the dollar now, the price is WAY more. I remember back in those days if you saw someone driving a brand spanking new supra, people would say,"damn, I wonder what he does for a living."

    You can argue about the Supra all day long, but the fact is with an F-body you have similar performance for a much cheaper price. You can't beat the bang for the buck of American cars. <!-- Signature -->
     

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