Re: Why? These make me dislike american cars

Discussion in '1994 Ford Mustang GT' started by 94stang5L, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Find the post or that is just considered another bogus claim, just like most of spyders. Never have I said I own anything BUT a 300zxTT.
     
  2. I never said you need a clutch pedal to have fun. But to win races(that are not in a stright line) you do. I would consider driving a manual a lot more fun than driving an automatic because nothing can match that feel of banging through gears and chirping the tires through first, second and third. (not like mustang's can do that anyways).

    You seem to think that any car that can shift gears manually with or without a clutch pedal is a manual. I shot that theory of yours to shit as well as many others. You just have to much pride to admidt that you were wrong so you try to make lame ass insults that just make me laugh more than anything <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  3. "You seem to think that any car that can shift gears manually with or without a clutch pedal is a manual. I shot that theory of yours to shit as well as many others."
    How did you shoot that theroy down again...? I'm a little confused since all you did was say that in your own opinion they weren't, thats all.

    "I would consider driving a manual a lot more fun than driving an automatic"
    Again all opinion. To you it's more fun, to me it's just a pain in the ass.

    "nothing can match that feel of banging through gears and chirping the tires through first, second and third. (not like mustang's can do that anyways)."
    I'm sure if my mustang gt can chirp the tires all the way into third that a manual GT can do the same kid.

    Now if you don't have anything intelligent to say I'll be on my way...
     
  4. refuseing to absorb the facts does not make you right nor does it make anything I say an opinion.

    IMO you thinking a manual is a pain in the ass is a testament of a person who cannot drive a stickshift.

    If your saying YOUR AUTOMATIC mustang GT can chrip the tires through the first 3 gears you are full of shit. A manual can barely chirp them in second.
     
  5. Alright boys, simmer down.

    American HP - Standard is far better for performance when you drive it right, oh, and with most manuals, you don't have to use the clutch to shift, Standard is also better for control, particularly when going downhill on a windy mountain road. But you have to know what you're doing! After a little while it all becomes instinct, you don't have to think about it, and it's not a pain in the ass. When F@CKING around in a snowy parking lot, there's no better feeling than pulling the handbrake at 120km/h and shifting directly to second as you slide, and slam on the gas, and crank the wheel to bring yourself all the way around.


    Superlative one - an automatic would be easier to "chirp" the tires through the gears because unless you keep the gas down (thus redlining it for a fraction of a second, possibly damaging your engine and risking transmission damage as you increase the risk of grinding the gears when you put the shifter in place), you have to release the throttle, lowering rpm and losing power each time you shift, with an automatic, it shifts without losing much rpm, so the power gets to the ground easier. That's not to say however that shifting normally the automatic is nearly as good for acceleration, just "chirping" the tires, because with an automatic when the tire is spinning, little momentum is lost due to friction, but with a standard, since the wheel can move freely while the clutch is depressed the friction slows the wheel down much more.
     
  6. Excuse me while I chuckle....


    If you are chirping tires in third gear with the stock four speed mission, the 17X8" tires (245 rubber) with 260HP you either A) hit gravel/ice/water B) Need to make a visit to your local Goodyear. 2nd gear I could see......3rd gear I cannot.....
     
  7. It was asphalt, but it was dirty (rain must have washed some dirt onto the road). Somehow I think the same thing happened to SuperMoron one.
    On a normal road I can chirp them nicly in second. And my tires have about 95% of the thread left.
     
  8. "IMO you thinking a manual is a pain in the ass is a testament of a person who cannot drive a stickshift."
    In my opinion a person who considers a manual the end all be all in driving fun is a testament to a person who has little intelligence.
    I learned to drive on a stick (an 84 F-150). And thought even from a very young age (started driving at around 13, well at least around our house) that having a manual and not having the clutch would be great. I don't mind shifting at all, actually I quit like it, it's the clutch that annoys me.
     
  9. "American HP - Standard is far better for performance when you drive it right, oh, and with most manuals, you don't have to use the clutch to shift"
    How is it any better then the auto's that the new mr2, Ferria's, and F1(not that it's a true auto, but no clutch) cars have just to name a few...? You can do everything you just mentioned and all of that without a clutch!

    "you don't have to use the clutch to shift"
    You try that for awhile and tell me how your tranny enjoys it...<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  10. LOL, that was funny. I have a few friends with mustangs, all which happen to be autos. They can barely peel out even while power braking. Never have they chirped their tires in any gear other than 1st.
     
  11. LOL, that was funny. I have a few friends with mustangs, all which happen to be autos. They can barely peel out even while power braking. Never have they chirped their tires in any gear other than 1st.
     
  12. I dunno about the Auto in the MR2. The sequential gear box in Ferrari's is not Automatic, it's standard, just like the Sequential gearbox in F1 cars, a car doesn't need to have a clutch to be a manual transmission, in fact WRC spec Impreza has one of the most advanced Sequential Gearboxes (worth approx. $70,000 usd) existent in motorsport today, it's the same manual gearbox with the advanced monitoring system that disengages the clutch at exactly the right moment (the instant you begin to pull on the little paddle) that's used in F1 and other Group-A WRC cars, only it's not sequential, gears can be shifted to any gear at any moment without going through all the other gears first (the one major drawback to Sequential gear boxes) in other words, it can be shifted from 6th to 3rd, 1st to 4th, etc. which is a real improvement, because if the driver needs to drop 2 gears instead of 1 he can save tenths of a second, or if the driver crashes, he can shift right from 6th to 1st and be back on the road in no time, whereas with a sequential gearbox, the driver can waste as much as 30 seconds shifting down to reverse, back to first and then get going.

    In all these cases (your Ferrari, F1 example) and in WRC spec Group-A cars the transmission is still a manual transmission, the clutch is still required to start, stop, and idle (if he doesn't shift to neutral), the clutch is just not required at any other time, and thus the transmissions are still manual transmissions.

    Now, the main problem with Automatics, aside from shifting gears (the automatic tranny isn't always in the gear you want - I speak of real automatic transmissions - and the inability to downshift right before I pass really pisses me off) is the gear ratio, Automatics are rarely ever geared for as good acceleration as standards, Automatics also often have fewer gears than Standards which reduces the acceleration. Automatic transmissions also steal more hp from the engine than Standards

    Also with a Standard, you have the option of shifting to accelerate fast, or to conserve gas, Standards have the potential to get way better gas mileage.



    I don't shift based on the rpm rather than using the clutch (I have no problem using the clutch, in fact I like it), even though it isn't all that difficult to do properly (even when done properly there is minor additional wear that occurs to the transmission, though not a lot). I was just pointing it out seeing as you said that you hate using the clutch, I wasn't recommending it...<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
  13. "I have a few friends with mustangs"
    I already call bullshit with just that sentence, you have friends...lol.

    "mustangs, all which happen to be autos. They can barely peel out even while power braking."
    Umm...tell your so called friends to start the car before trying to peel out, it will help tons, trust me. If they somehow already did that, tell them to take off the traction control, and to put it in DRIVE, or any other gear except for park and netrual, trust me this will also help.
    Do you think people are this stupid? They can't even peel out while power braking? I can stomp the gas down and not move an inch, just sit there smoking the tires, no power braking at all. Again tell them to take the car out of park, it will help.

    "Never have they chirped their tires in any gear other than 1st."
    Again, tell them to take it out of park. Unless they have an early 80's with a 4 banger in it (or they are retarded), they should really have no problem chirping the tires kid.
    Or maybe your so called "friends" don't really have mustangs at all, since you know so little about them, yeah that's probably it.
     
  14. Hmmm...impressive, thank you for the info.

    "In all these cases (your Ferrari, F1 example) and in WRC spec Group-A cars the transmission is still a manual transmission, the clutch is still required to start, stop, and idle "
    How do they engage the clutch with that type of tranny?

    "Now, the main problem with Automatics, aside from shifting gears (the automatic tranny isn't always in the gear you want - I speak of real automatic transmissions - and the inability to downshift right before I pass really pisses me off) is the gear ratio, Automatics are rarely ever geared for as good acceleration as standards, Automatics also often have fewer gears than Standards which reduces the acceleration. Automatic transmissions also steal more hp from the engine than Standards"

    All of those problems are being solved right now (their are some higher end cars that already offer you more gears, downshifting, etc...). Actually a kid I know bought a 2003 eclipse gts last summer, and it has an manuamatic (it's not what they call it) which lets you downshift if you want to. Ford and GM are currently designing and building (yes you heard correctly, they are helping each other out) an advanced auto for their upcoming sports cars.

    And I no matter what people tell me, I hate the clutch. To me it's so damn annying.
     
  15. Now that is B.S. "I can stomp on the gas and not move an inch" LOL I have never heard such a tall tale in all my life. You have a 260Hp V8 with a lot of driveline loss, Wake up and join reality, it's a pathetic car that is not very fast nor powerful. You run a 14.7 second quarter mile. You run 0-60 in 6 flat. Congrats you can keep up with an acura TL type S.


    No facts to back up your claim, just lame ass insults.

    I pity you more than spyder, <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  16. LOL...you're a tool my friend, a total tool, lol. Not very fast or powerful, lol, wow, did you even get out of grade school yet?
    260hp might not be a ton of hp, but it's more then enough to get the tires to break traction and spin moron. And did you forget about the 302lb-ft of torque, you know that stuff that let's you take off? Yeah, I'd say with that it's not to hard to peel out, lol.
    Get your facts straight also moron, a 13.7 quarter mile (usually though most people will get a very low 14 or a very high 13), and a 5.4 secind 0-60.
    "pathetic car"
    The only thing pathetic around here is your intelligence.
    Worse then spyder...you're worse then CreamOfTheCrop, ModsDriveSlowCars, etc...oh what, they were you...
     
  17. I still provided proven facts from R&T and C&D that say the 2001 mustang runs 6 flat and 14.7, unless you can provide concrete evidence that it's faster than that, consider your OPINIONS null and void, because that is all they are.

    You still got some weak insults, but than again that is all you can do.

    I still pity you,(and your SLOW car) <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  18. I already have (in around 20 other threads, some of which you were posting in), if you can't read, or open a link that I have already gave, to bad.
    Weak insults...coming from you that doesn't mean much...lol...

    Moron (yes I'm talking to you creamofthecrop, or whatever you go by now).
     
  19. Um, your welcome, I think.

    I'll have to get back to you on that one, as I'm not entirely sure exactly how they engage the clutch in those transmissions. By my understanding, the entire system, from paddle shifter right to the spin rate of the wheels, is closely monitored by a very advanced sensor system, prepares to engage the clutch any time pressure is taken off the throttle or the rpm reaches the peak of its optimal range, and the instant the paddle is moved the clutch is engaged faster than any human ever could press their foot down the gear is shifted in a fraction of a second and the clutch is disengaged.

    Basically, I think it works the same as a human stepping on the clutch, only much, much faster.


    True, those problems are being worked on, and automatics are far better than they used to be. Manumatic transmissions are a great idea on the outside (use the automatic mode for the city, shift same as a standard when on the highway or racing), however, despite all the things manufacturers tell you about how reliable, durable, and great they are, any respectable car knowledge source will not hesitate to tell you all the drawbacks with manumatic transmissions (reliability, precision, safety - there have been cases where cars with manumatic transmissions were being driven on the highway, shifted as a manual, and just seized up , which is disastrous if you're driving 110+ km/h, if you're not one of those people who enjoys sliding across the freeway sideways<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>, there have been a few accidents that occured as a result, some fatal). As I mentioned a few lines above, manumatics are a great idea in theory, but they still need a lot of development and improvement before I'll consider getting one. I don't mind having the "Guinea Pigs" test it for me so that I'll know when they've been developed enough

    BTW - those transmissions are generally referred to as Manumatic (you were right, that's just not what THEY called it),or shift-tronic transmissions.

    I could be wrong, but don't manumatics allow you to shift as you normally would in a standard, only without the clutch?<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/confused.gif"></A> I'm pretty sure they allow you to shift up or down similarly to a paddle shifter (i.e.: sequentially, and by pushing the shifter forward or pulling it back). Well, I'd like to see that auto, it's cool that Ford and GM engineers are working together to fulfill such a difficult task, they probably don't want to risk being left behind the other if they try it on their own.

    Personally, I like the clutch, the most functional benifit of having a clutch pedal is the fact that you can ride it (yes, I know that hastens wear) and start at the slowest of speeds, having more control over your speed than you do using the brake in an automatic. Now why would this be important? Because in cases where you need to creep through or by something, it can be useful. But the best use?

    Well, I had a unique experience a couple weeks ago (at least for a Civic/any car owner, most truck owners experience this often). A friend of mine living in the dorms here at Kekuli House owns a 1975 jacked up Ford F150, something in the transmission was F@CKED up in it, so he had to get it to town to a local garage so that a Mechanic could get it fixed. He had no way of getting it down there, nobody was willing to spend the time and effort towing him, and (being a starving student) he's kind of short on cash, so (considering he's helped me out on a few School/Field Projects) I offered to tow him, I'm NOT kidding. We hooked some cables up between his frame and the tow loop on the rear of my car, and I drove him the 20km to town (bear in mind that I live in a very mountainous area, and there are lots of hills, so a car with just 100lbft torque has to be kept at a high rpm to make it up the hills alright) I had no difficulty at all, and a few times (after the rope attached to my car snapped), in order to not stall the car I had to gradually take my foot off the clutch to get started (a normal start with a car that light could either rip the tow loop right off my car, or just make me spin the tires, so slow starts were important, with an automatic it would have been much more difficult).


    Again, this is no BS, I towed a '75 F150 with my little 1.6 liter Civic SI that has 130hp and 100lbft torque, had no trouble accelerating, only had a bit of trouble keeping in the high rpm range when going up hills. Quite a feat huh?<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A> And I do think that with an automatic the starts would have been a lot harder on the car.
     
  20. I can't stand these biased assholes. They don't know anything about cars.
     
  21. Hell yeah! I agree with everything you say. Although those early 90's Mustangs were underpowered and crappy, today's Mustangs just keep on getting better with the Cobras, Mach 1's, etc.
    Oh, and wait till 2004. That's when the next generation Mustang will come out. This time, the car will return with a vengeance... in retro style!
     
  22. don't you mean in "ugly" style.
     
  23. If by ugly you mean "award winning", then yes you are correct.
     

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