Re: Reasons why HSV's are so crap Value for money is subjective, you can't say "They are not worth twice the money" because if they were not PEOPLE WOULD NOT BUY THEM; common sense, I assure you people with Calais' drive Calais' not because they prefer them to a C240 or 325i but rather the fact they can't afford a C240 or 325i. For one German cars are unbelievably safer than Australian cars; so taking that into account and the extra luxuries (ESP, SS, ABC, ETS, COMMAND, Airmatic DC etc.) and refinements (Lingutronic, quieter smoother engines, quieter road noise much better than any HSV/Holden, adaptive transmission, cylinder cut-off and adaptive steering etc.) I myself value my life alone at more than $100,000 so considering I get class leading safety which is at least 5 times safer than the 'comparative' Holden and all the luxury items, you are getting damn good value for money. I consider German cars to be better value for money, particularly Mercedes and BMW considering they're more reliable, comfortable, respectable and refined than a HSV or Holden. I have not seen anywhere a VY GTS reach 100km/h in 5.3s, if so where did you see this and under what conditions did it achieve it.