so its the first production car with a 7-speed gear box

Discussion in '2002 Bugatti 16/4 Veyron Preproduction' started by FireBird175, Jan 22, 2003.

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    "#$%# off, you've said on several occasions that the 16/4 has never been tested without mentioning speed or acceleration. As for your wording on the stages, it's not concept, prototype, production over here, as I said, the differences we have on that are most likely down to location."

    1. I never once stated the 16/4 has never been tested all together, had you actually read anything i wrote you would have noticed that i said the 16/4 has not been testes in top speed or 0-60. Had the 16.4 been tested in topspeed or 0-60 Bugatti would have no need to estimate times now would they? Yet Bugatti still estimates topspeed and 0-60 of the veyron 16/4.

    2. As i stated before every vehicle manufacturer in the world goes by those 3 stages which i have mentioned time and time again, I also mentioned time and time again that some of those 3 stages might have sub stages (ie the hot phase you were speaking of) however as you did not read nor comprehend anything i have written i shouldnt expect you to know that.



    And finally -

    "it has been tested. tested in philadelphia. ya, philly!"


    The 16/4 has not been tested in top speed or 0-60 as Bugatti themselves have stated many times, thus the reason they still Estimate both thetop speed and 0-60 time. When the 16/4 is tested for top speed and 0-60 it will not be tested in the US.
     
  2. Re: so its the first production car with a 7-speed gear box

    It has been tested at speed, it hit 238Mph which was recorded, it wasn't the best conditions either yet it still beat the McLaren F1's record.
     
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    i never once said it wasnt tested! so u , #$%# off! unless ur not talking to me then this:

    i dont no what it has been tested in i just no it has been tested in philly from some magazine (i forget which one, cuz it was like 6 months ago.). but maybe they tested the concept. i dunno. and wat is the estimated 0-60? i think ive heard 2.7 seconds once but im not sure.
     
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    "It has been tested at speed, it hit 238Mph which was recorded, it wasn't the best conditions either yet it still beat the McLaren F1's record."


    The 16/4 has not been tested in 0-60 or topspeed, amazing how when Bugatti themselves to this day still ESTIMATE the 0-60 times and the topspeed of the 16/4 veyron you Live4Speed somehow manage to turn an estimation into a fact, which may i add a estimation is very far from a actual fact. As i have states before Live4Speed a good idea for you would be to get your info (the imaginable times and topspeed of the 16/4) from a different source, as the source you are getting these facts from is flat out full of it. Another thing the Mclaren F1 never reached its top speed, therefore dont compare the Mclaren F1 to a prototype like the veyron 16/4 which has not been tested in topspeed or 0-60.

    Live4Speed my only question to is where do you get your information at? Do you sit at home all day long and think up things that people with lower intelligence then you might not be able to tell is true or not? Because the times for 0-60 and the topspeeds you have been listing on here are fake.





    i was BMRL12

    The 16/4 has not been tested in 0-60, the fact that Bugatti themselves isnt even located in the US should have told you right off the bat that the 16/4 will not be tested in the Unites States especially since Bugatti can test the 16/4 on the best track possible (the Volkswagen test track Ehra-Lessien, the very same track the Daeur 962 CR LM and the Mclaren F1 were tested on) therefore the magazine that you got this info from is full of it.
     
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    I've never mentioned the 0-60 being tested, the car has been run at 238Mph fact. I will get the link when my net connection isn't playing up, there has also een one tested in Italy, theres a site that shows where it was spotted.
     
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    You never mentioned the 0-60 time because a 0-60 time for the 16/4 Veyron has not been recorded by anyone. The topspeed of the 16/4 was recorded by Bugatti themselves at 218mph not the false 238 topspeed you keep repeating Live4Speed . I would also like to add that during the 218mph topspeed run before going any further with it the driver put the car into a rail thus stopping the topspeed run. Since the only topspeed which Bugatti has recorded so far for the 16/4 Veyron was of 218mph, the 16/4 does not beat the Mclaren F1's topspeed of 238mph nor does it beat the Daeur 962's topspeed of 404.6 kph/251.25mph.

    I suggest you actually read something you silly twit before you post some stupid unthoughtful crap like you have been posting. Oh yeah and evidence of your redicoulisly false claims wouldnt be a bad idea for you Live4Speed, maybe then you wont look like a complete idiot.

    On this article about the 16/4 Veyron they share the same opinions as i do of the 16/4 not being able to do what was said it could do.

    Motor Trend even goes as far as saying the following -


    "That 252 mph isn't quite ready for delivery, says a source close to the car's development. It's stable up to 200 mph, with its automatic rear-wing extension, but it needs some work above that. Nor is the complicated driveline ready: The engine's 920 pound-feet of torque are tearing up its transmission's gears, creating what one engineer calls "tooth salad." Michelin hasn't completed development of its critical PAX-system run-flat tires. But VW's Audi Group has the resources to solve these problems."


    The first sentence thus further proves my posts about the 16/4 it cannot reach higher then 218mph especially since the car is so unstable at 200mph if someone was foolish enough to try it they most likely wouldnt walk away form the car.

    Amazingly enough motor trend went as far as to say this -

    "That 252 mph isn't quite ready for delivery, says a source close to the car's development. It's stable up to 200 mph, with its automatic rear-wing extension, but it needs some work above that."

    The last sentence clearly states that the 16/4 still is a prototype which needs alot of work so it can be stable at speeds of over 200mph. A good way to acheive these speeds would be to re design parts of the body for maximum downforce and to get rid of the pathetically large and slow w16 engine for something else (a Posche flat 6, a Toyota inline 6, a Lamborghini v10, or a BMW V12 the very same enigne in the Mclaren F1) Any of those engines would be a better engine in general.
     
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    this dudes rite, and i go on these forums 2 learn more about cars, and no1 ever does anything. These forums are wasted on stupid comparos like "I like car A over car B cuz it looks better" No1 ever says anything technical! while i kno that every1 includin myself does this, can we plz try 2 write about stuff that is actually more important and intelligent than comparing 2 cars! Thank you <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  8. #183 DodgeMS-4, Feb 25, 2004
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    Re: so its the first production car with a 7-speed gear box

    lol if u want to listen to a complete idiot then i guess live4speed would be a good person to listen to, all he has done is post his opinion which is wrong 98% of the time, not once has he posted any proof whatsoever to back up his redicoulisly pathetic claims.

    Amazingly enough Bugatti themselves admitted that the 16/4 veyron never hit a topspeed above 218 they even went to the length of saying that ti wont be possible for quite a while as seen on this very site which i will gladly post the link to -


    http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=09770282
     
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    Do you have a problem reading, all it says, is rumours of staility problems, not proof or facts and it might be limited to 218mph which if you've followed the car, you'll know Bugatti did mention limiting the speed quite a while ago. Also I'd love for you to show me a quote from Bugatti saying the car has never gone over 218Mph or something to that extent, and it needs to be a quote from after early-mid January this year for it to be of any use. As I've told you, the test I read about was in a magazine and I said I would post a link to prove that, tbh I haven't really looked as I know you'll just be an asshole and say it's not true anyway.
     
  10. #185 DodgeMS-4, Feb 26, 2004
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    Ok let me see if i can explain this to you in a way that you will be able to comprehend Live4speed. Not only is the Bugatti 16/4 Veyron very unstable at speeds in excess of 200mph but a foolish attempt to hit the 250mph mark was actually tried and almost resulted in the death of the driver of the 16/4, the car became so unstable at 218mph that had the driver not stopped the run the car would have either went into the wall or spun out possibly killing the driver in the process. Amazingly enough it did spin out at 218mph on a straightaway, the fact that it has a All Wheel Drive System basically says that the car is a piece of crap.

    I find it hilarious that you call me an asshole because i have only spoken the truth, something which you know nothing about Live4speed. Why dont you come back to reality and realize the 16/4 veyron is nothing more the a pathetically slow piece of crap that was designed for show only. Noone in their right mind would spend $1 million + on the 16/4 deathtrap.

    About Bugatti and the topspeed i dont recall them ever saying they tested the top speed nor the 0-60 time for that matter, however i do recall you Live4speed whining and posting thoughtless comments on how certain magazines have tested the car in the top speed category and the 0-60 category, which to this day is false.

    The following paragraph from the link i graciously posted above should tell anyone that the 16/4 is unstable and has NEVER reached top speeds above 218mph.

    http://autoweek.com/cat_content.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carnews&loc_code=index&content_code=09770282

    "Bugatti is planning to limit the top speed of its delayed 16.4 Veyron to 218 mph, according to sources close to the Volkswagen-owned company. The move follows long-standing rumors suggesting road-going prototypes of the 8.0-liter W16-powered two-seater had experienced stability problems at high speed."

    Notice this specific sentence Live4speed "The move follows long-standing rumors suggesting road-going prototypes of the 8.0-liter W16-powered two-seater had experienced stability problems at high speed." That sentence alone means that the 16/4 veyron did not succeed in speeds of 218+.


    However Live4speed if you feel you want to go on beleiving that a pathetically slow car which has never gone faster then 218mph has indeed done 250+ mph go right ahead and be a fool.
     
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    Iv'e never said it's done 250+Mph, Autocar had an article in January this year which stated the car had been tested and reached 237Mph.
     
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    Let me see if i can explain this to you Live4speed, however you may need to read, and re-read to comprehend what I am trying to get across to you.

    To date the fastest the Bugatti 16/4 Veyron has ever gone is 218mph, this foolish attempt at a top speed run resulted in the car spinning out due to unstability of the car itself almost killing the driver in the process, the car has been called unstable at speeds in excess of 200mph many times, therefore it is virtually impossible for it to hit 237mph as you have stated above. Seeing as how you claim the 16/4 Veyron has hit 237mph I would love to see the proof that you have of this ever happenning Live4speed, especially since I have asked you for this proof more then 8 times and you have yet to show me. could it be that no such proof exists? Yes.

    The only way the 16/4 veyron could exceed 218mph and be stable the in its current form is if the body was totally redesigned. Ie it had bigger and wider airdams on the sides, front, lip, and roof of the car. With the airdams increased on the car and a rather large spoiler added it still would not help the Veyron to reach speeds in excess of 218, as it simply weighs too much, you would have to use more carbon fibre throughout the vehicle itself and get rid if the redicoulisly large w16. If all of these things and more were done to the 16/4 Veyron it is possible it COULD be stable at speeds up to 200mph, but it is highly doubtful any of these things would ever happen, especially because the new chairman Thomas Bscher whos idea it was to reduce the ESTIMATED top speed to 218mph because the car IS very unstable at speeds in excess of 200mph. Hopefully he makes the move to get rid of the redicoulisly large and pathetically slow w16 in favor of a smaller engine so they can try and make the 252mph mark they spoke of later this year or earlier next year.

    Live4speed i suggest you actually know wtf you are talking about before you debate with me.
     
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    ummmmmm... read the end of the stuff writen on the car u jackass it sais it there so that wut he was going by so F*** u u F***ing idiot u think your all cool just go F*** yourself u old bastard god your stupid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
     
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    that was definitely a pointless and annoying post dude your yelling at a dude with like 2000 more posts than u, u idiot and plus if u wana make somthing personal send him an e-mail or somthing no1 cares about your pathetic little cat fight!
     
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    Lol and i suppose you with your 209 posts you are one to talk right? lol go back to playing video games and thinking you know something about cars like Live4Speed seems to think he does, when in reality he doesnt. He could have 15,000 more posts then me and he would still be wrong, fact is the 16/4 bugatti has never reached speeds of over 218mph and it never will in its current form as I spoke of above. For Live4Speed to even say that it did reach speeds of above 218mph and have no proof whatsoever of this happening proves how low someone has to go to get attention.

    But hey 6DIA6BLO6 and whoever else if you would rather hear lies versus the truth be my guest and listen to Live4Speed speak of the imaginable 0-60 time and topspeed of the 16/4 veyron. Which to date has never reached speeds in excess of 218mph.
     
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    the diablo can beat this ,
    the one tuned by gambella
    it goes to 410 kph which makes it the worlds fastest car
    and if u think u cant include it
    why include the gambella porsche and
    the slegdehammer corvette they have also been tuned
    as for bugatti it is in a league of its own u cant compare it
     
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    nah new Mercades AMG have 7speeds gearboxs
     
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    The diablo you are speaking of is not the world fastest street legal production car, as i have been saying that honor goes to the Dauer 962 Lemans. Bugatti with their veyron is not in a league of its own because the veyron is a Prototype which to date has not reached speeds of over 218mph.
     
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    You are one sick b*****d! and by the way losers.com is a search engine i tried it so you should just p**s off!
     
  20. Re: so its the first production car with a 7-speed gear box

    well, back to the real topic. it is the firtst
     
  21. #196 CoolBoarder2021, Jul 22, 2004
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    The way you talk it seems you know more about being a smart ass then know anything about cars!!! Not only are you a smart ass you seem like a brat! Plus your posting something that does not even cover the subject on this car. Why dont you try www.smartasses.com P.S if you know how a car works explane how a supernatural engine works im all ears
     
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    dont go to smartasses.com trust me its a porno site i didnt know tell i checked out the link to see if it was even a website
     
  23. Re: so its the first production car with a 7-speed gear box

    Atually there was a gearbox in the 1980's C4 vettes that had a "4+3 gearbox" which was a seven speed gearbox.
     
  24. Re: so its the first production car with a 7-speed gear box

    well i'll be damned it is!
     
  25. Re: so its the first production car with a 7-speed gear box

    WHAT A TOTTALY AWSOME CAR...BUT the price is too much... I mean for 50k I can make a car thattll outrun this! But I still respect this masterpiece!!
     

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