Swine FLOO = National emergency

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  1. #1 ali84, Oct 24, 2009
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/25/us/politics/25flu.html?hp

    WASHINGTON — President Obama has declared the swine flu outbreak a national emergency, allowing hospitals and local governments to speedily set up alternate sites and procedures if needed to handle any surge of patients, the White House said on Saturday.

    The declaration came when long lines formed around the country for the swine flu vaccine, with distribution that has not met demand.

    Flu activity — virtually all of it the swine flu — is now widespread in 46 states, a level that federal officials say equals the peak of a typical winter flu season. Millions of people in the United States have had swine flu, known as H1N1, either in the first wave in the spring or the current wave.

    Although no one has an exact count of the flu’s mortality, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Friday that it had killed more than 1,000 Americans and hospitalized over 20,000.

    The emergency declaration, which Mr. Obama signed Friday night, has to do only with hospital treatment, not with the vaccine.

    A spokesman for the C.D.C., David Daigle, said he had not heard of any hospital that has faced a surge of patients so large that it had to set up a triage area or a treatment unit off-site. He knew of hospitals in Texas and Tennessee that had set up triage tents in their parking lots in order to screen patients with fever or other flu symptoms, but those have been on hospital grounds, he said.

    Against this backdrop, administration officials emphasized that Mr. Obama’s declaration was largely a bureaucratic move that did not signify any unanticipated worsening of the outbreak of the H1N1 flu nationwide. Nor, they said, does it have anything to do with the recent reports of vaccine shortages.

    “This is not a response to any new developments,” said Reid Cherlin, a White House spokesman. “It’s an important tool in our kit going forward.”

    Public and private health officials were administering swine flu shots at scores of locations around the country this weekend.

    In Chicago, health officials began giving free vaccinations at six City College locations on Saturday, and within hours officials were turning away hundreds of people because supplies had been exhausted.

    Health officials said that they distributed 1,500 doses at each of the sites and that they began the vaccinations at 9 a.m. But two hours before the centers opened, there were already hundreds of people waiting in line for the numbered cards that were needed to get the vaccination. With the number of patients outrunning the supply, officials said that they would give priority to patients who fell into the higher-risk groups.

    The seasonal flu typically hospitalizes 200,000 people in the United States each year and kills 36,000. But over 90 percent of the deaths from seasonal flu are among the elderly, while the swine flu mostly affects the young.

    The country is in the midst of a serious shortage of swine flu vaccine; only about 16 million doses are available. There is no overall shortage of seasonal flu vaccine — 85 million doses have already shipped, and the regular flu season has not started. But there are temporary local shortages.

    The president’s signature on the declaration fulfills the second of two conditions necessary under federal law to empower Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of Health and Human Services, to issue waivers expediting health care facilities’ ability to transfer patients to other locations. The first condition was met in April when the Department of Health and Human Services declared a public health emergency, which Ms. Sebelius renewed for a second time on Oct. 20.

    The declaration allows hospitals to apply to the Department of Health and Human Services for waivers from laws that in normal times are intended to protect patients’ privacy and to ensure that they are not discriminated against based on their source of payment for care, including Medicare, Medicaid and the states’ Children’s Health Insurance Program.

    As a practical matter, officials said, the waiver could allow a hospital in danger of being overwhelmed with swine flu patients to remove them, and any emergency room visitors suspected of having the illness, to a location such a local armory to segregate such cases for treatment.

    In a few cases, hospitals already have set up tents on their sites. But under federal law, if the patients are sent off-site, the hospital might be refused reimbursement for the care as a sanction.

    Since last winter’s more isolated cases of swine flu, the expectation that the virus would return with a vengeance in this flu season had posed a test of the Obama administration’s preparedness. Officials are mindful that the previous administration’s failure to better prepare for and respond to Hurricane Katrina in 2005 left doubts that dogged President George W. Bush to the end of his term.
     
  2. my boss had swine flu
     
  3. My friend had it. He got a flu. He was sick for a few days. Then he got better.

    Big #$%#in deal
     
  4. A few days is probably a cold, not a flu.
     
  5. I had H1N1 last month and I got through the rough part in about 48 hours.

    Random factoid: it was the first time I'd been sick with anything in 17 years.
     
  6. You know I consider myself very libertarian, but I wouldn't be against the government forcing people (starting with people in the health care profession) to take vaccinations given substantial evidence that widespread transmission was possible. That said I don't really know enough about H1N1 (in both transmission and effects) to say whether it would be a candidate, I just thought that the permissability of the government giving mandatory vaccination in certain circumstances is an interesting talking point.
     
  7. I pretty much had the same attitude about it until my uncle died 2 days ago after having the flu. Yes the media is making a lot of it, but it is a big #$%#ing deal none the less.

    One of the problems is, for as long as we've been told about the swine flu this year and how bad it is, I still can't even get the vaccine from my doctor here, neither can anyone else. He said he doesn't know anymore than the media when it comes to vaccine distribution, and none of the other hospitals here have it yet either.
     
  8. proof that God rewards self-deprecating devotion
     
  9. I'm not even sure how to determine whether it's H1N1 or an other kind of influenza, as the symptoms are so similar. But glad you got better so quickly.
     
  10. If so inclined, medical staff can send it to a lab for analysis (dunno whether they do RNA matching or analyze envelope proteins/etc), but most of the time they don't bother, vecause the vast majority of cases at this time are H1N1 anyway.
     
  11. #$%# THAT. WHY DOESNT OBAMA TAKE OBAMAFLU AND GO BACK TO KENYA WHERE HE WAS BORN!!!
     
  12. Majority? Sure about that? If it's just over 50/50 I'd be impressed already
     
  13. AFAIK, the 'regular' seasonal flu hasn't begun hitting the US that hard yet. I don't know about the rest of the world though.
     
  14. Oh it did here. I'm only really up to date with the European health and pharma news, as it's the sector I work in. I must admit I don't really know much about what's exactly going on on other continents. Well yeah, central Asia, because I'm very eager to lead the expansion of our company into that direction.
     
  15. #15 AMGrulz, Oct 24, 2009
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    Whatever it is, it's hitting us hard.

    http://www.wunderground.com/US/Region/US/2xFlu.html
     
  16. this will probably be the first year ever that i'll get a flu vaccine, its free, and well, this flu actually is dangerous to people in their 20's, when most flu's arnt actually dangerous for healthy 20 somethings.
     
  17. #17 MooSquad, Oct 24, 2009
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    That map doesn't really differentiate between the kinds of flu that are around, but yeah, I didn't really expect a different kind of map for mid October to be honest <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  18. Synopsis:

    During week 41 (October 11-17, 2009), influenza activity increased in the U.S.

    * 4,855 (37.5%) specimens tested by U.S. World Health Organization (WHO) and National Respiratory and Enteric Virus Surveillance System (NREVSS) collaborating laboratories and reported to CDC/Influenza Division were positive for influenza.
    * All subtyped influenza A viruses being reported to CDC were 2009 influenza A (H1N1) viruses
     
  19. That's a seriously high number. I'd expect H1N1 to be a lot less common than 100% of all Influenza A's. Shit, you guys shouldn't be legally leaving the country or something, haha.

    edit: especially with H1N2 making a comeback again slowly

    edit 2: what surprises me the most is that no one has H3N2 yet. That's actually quite outstanding.
     
  20. #20 CitroenSM, Oct 24, 2009
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  21. Alberta (pop ~3.7m) is supposed to have half a million H1N1 vaccines available Monday, with 100k more every day after that (basically because thats as many as they think can be administered daily).

    ENJOY THE SHORTAGE, AMERICA
     
  22. Luckily the nurses at my work are giving vaccines, i hate needles
     
  23. My bro's GF's little sister had it for about a week



    The way it is now, in the last few months people have talked about it it has killed like 1000 people in the US. In that time frame more americans have choked to death on their whoppers
     
  24. Sounds like H1N1, there was an outbreak of it where I live and I likely had it, the first 2 days are really bad, I slept for 20 hours the first day. If you don't die or anything it goes away quicker than a normal flu though.
     
  25. #25 CitroenSM, Oct 24, 2009
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    According to http://flutracker.rhizalabs.com/ it's close to 2900.
     

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