This car is not the best...

Discussion in '2000 Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT' started by bmwm3gtr200, Mar 18, 2003.

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    My Top Ten-
    1. McLaren F1
    2. Ferrari Enzo
    3. Pagani Zonda C12S
    4. BMW e30 M3
    5. Porsche GT2 996
    6. Volvo 240
    7. B-Engineering Edonis
    8. Audi RS6 EuroSpec Wagon
    9. Stanley Steamer
    10. Ford Model T
    Not in that order.

    How do you figure none of these cars belong in comparisson with the 800 tt? If people are going to say it is the best car ever, then they must be able to prove that it is better than any car that is compared to it. So then these cars are in comparison to the 800 tt.

    Once again you are arguing that numbers on paper is what makes a car great. If 0-60 time is the only thing that matters, then dragsters are the best cars ever. If g's on the skid pad is the only thing that matters, then F1 cars are the best, they actually are, but if that was the only thing that they had going for them then that would justiy them as the best. There are many other factors that determine if a car is great or not. It's impact on the auto industry, the driving experience, originality is another important facotor, and then there is just flat out awe.

    The 800 tt does none of these except awe maybe, but I am not in awe of a tuner car that could be a lot more than it is. 100 hp per litter from a twin supercharger engine, even if it only is running 6 psi, is pathetic. So what if it is american, and is not supposed to get a lot of hp per liter, they should, and this is a tuner car, so it should get more than 100 hp per liter with twin superchargers like I said before.

    So come back with a real argument on one or all of these cars to prove that the 800 tt is better than them. By the way here is another list, this time of cars under 100 k that can pull those numbers since that is all you seem to care about:

    1.- Caterham 7 R500- 0-60- 3.6 sec, 0-100 8.8 sec, and over 1 g. $20,000
    2.- Westfield Megabusa- 0-60- 3.7 sec,0-100-8.7 sec, and over 1 g. $30,000
    3.- BMW M Coupe- 0-60- 4.3 sec, 0-100- 11.6 sec, and .93 g. $50,000
    4.- Corvette, you know the numbers
    ect. The Viper is not that special, there are many other cars that have the same numbers, if not better for less. Plus most of them have a better experience than the Viper, all though it is pretty awsome, and scary at times especially in the corners, and flat out acceleration, I have ot give it that, it can make you shit yourself at times.
     
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    Do any of those cars come with a warranty like Dodge has? And wheres your source for those numbers, because i would like to see them. Especially on that BMW...
     
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    Yes, all of those cars come with a waranty, except if you buy the kit for the Cateham then no, but if you get the car pre-built bye the factory, then yes.

    I got the 0-60 and 0-100 times from Evo magazine on all of those times, and those are all their own test numbers.

    The skid pads are from different sources though since Evo does not test skid pad. The skid pads for the first two cars have not been tested, but in the articles on the cars that I have read, they always claim more than 1 g. on the skid pad(The articles were in Evo Magazine and Car Magazine). The skid pad for the M Coupe however is what my BMW Motorsport magazine had for the skid pad, but I have seen a large range on the skid pad for this car from as low as .89 all the way up to .98, so I just took the number that I could reference the quickest. I know that the 0-60 time for the M Coupe is rather fast, and even Evo thought it was off so they tested three more times after they recorded that time, and got the same each time.
     
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    Hey, a great top-ten forum! I love this! Let's begin:

    10. Volvo 2series (240, 245, 260, 264, 244, 245tic, etc...) prefer: turbo wagon
    9. Audi RS2
    8. Bristol Blenheim 3typeS (loaded)
    7. NEW Bentley Continental GT. It's a new car (see: trendy), but it gives me a bonner)
    6. Volvo 850 T-5R Wagon (In the Fly Yellow w/ 18" factory titanium wheels)
    5. Audi RS6 Wagon (Eurospec)
    4. Subaru Impreza turbo (all models, 2.5 to WRX STi Prodrive versions)
    3. Mercedes E500(w124 range)E class
    2. Caterham Se7en 1.8 R500 (kickin go-kart w/ a license plate)
    1. Ford Model T

    Eat shit and die you 'Sheep Fucking (i.e. Dodge), shallow, arrogant, redneck, steer #$%#ing (i.e. Dodge), cock sucking (i.e. loving a snake or as Dr. Frued put it 'Penis')... Vipers suck. They were mearly a marketing exercise that Bob Lutz executed in 89 to save Chrysler Corp. after Lee Iaccoca (s/p?) nearly bankrupted the whole shootin match.
    You can't #$%#in drive a viper GTS or anything like it on the street w/o problems. Overheating, erratic first & second gear launch (stoplight to stoplight driving at 5pm), shoddy build quality (like a Neon), RE: Most other supercars are hand-built too! (Dipshit)
    I appreciate the significance of the car, the engineering, the marketing success, the experience of driving the thing (I have). But get real, if you know anything about physics, cars or logic in general, you would quickly discount the Viper as a fun to drive, but ultimalty pointless & only mediocure in any catagory.
    You, dipshit, must remember the definition of 'Performance';
    1. a The act or process of performing or carrying out b the execution or fulfillment (of a duty, etc...). 2. a staging or production (play, movie, etc...) 3. a person's achievement under test conditions, etc... 4. a fuss; a scene; a public exhibition. 5. the capabilities of a machine, esp. a car or an aircraft.
    I think you must include all aspects of what a car is supposed to be, to gauge or judge the 'Performance' of the thing. Issues like safety, reliability, comfort, utility, economy, driving experience, advancement in technology (advancement in industry), execution of theory (test bed cars like F1 & Rally). The list goes on.
    So, w/ that, I'm Audi5000

    Toodles Dorks!
     
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    well well well..........its another 800tt hater. If the model T is in this false "top ten" car list and its that old, i guess your mama would fall under the same list for decent wemon. if you didnt get my joke: ill explain it to ya stupid ppl out there. since your mama's on the list and its false, then shes not a decent woman. anywho...... oh yeah, and tell her thanks for the 1-800#. on your list you have the F1 as #1. compared to the 800tt? Well, lets start with the price. the F1 can run for 7 didgets. the viper runs for 6. ive seen an F1 for $890,000. And that was used. The other day i saw an 800tt and it was running for $122,000. no lie. well, that leaves us with a $768,000 difference in the prices. what could you get for 3/4 of a million. 6 more 800tt's thats what. one for each day of the week. you would have to be a freakin millionare to bye the f1 in the first place and you only get one car for 8.9's of a million dollars. wow! thats smart. The F1 has a V12? Duh! The Viper has a V10. whats new. The displacement of the F1 is barly over 6k. man that sucks for a v12. the vipers displacement is over 9k. the F1 doesnt even brake 700hp. wow is that sad for a v12. the viper has 833. oh well big deal we have heard that many times. 0-60 on the F1 is 3.2 seconds. is it not? the viper broke the 3 second record. it stands at 2.7 seconds. now lets see. if im correct on this please dont thank me. im not stupid. the difference is a whole 1/2 second. when you say the f1 is better i beg to differ. and the 0-100 has a difference of over 2 seconds. im sorry did i just say "2seconds" ARE YOU STUPID? IM SERIOUS. WHAT IM THE WORLD AM I DOING PROVING YOU WRONG ABOUT THE VIPER NOT EVEN BEING ON "YOUR", LET ME BE CLEAR ON THAT, "Y.O.U.R" TOP TEN LIST. HA! your funny you know that. so lets verify all of this. you dont have $890,000. i dont have $122,000. and even if you had the money they wouldnt even let you out of the store with the car b/c your to stupid and lazy. first of all. your stupid b/c even on this site you see the #'s of the cars and the viper beats it. or can you not read? is that it? oh wait, i forgot,......your stupid. the f1 is better in top speed but where are you going to prove it to be better? on the street? the viper would be gone before you would be able to catch back up to it at its est. 237mph. and your only at 240mph so it would be pointless to even race. that 3 mph difference. if the viper had a 100yard lead on the f1 the race would get boring. "OH HE'S CATCHING UP BUT ITS ONLY AT 3MPH GREATER THAN THE VIPER. WOW! 3MPH!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAHHHHHHH!!!" and the reason that your lazy is because you posted this forum. you didnt want to see the #'s for yourself on the site. another reason your lazy is because you didnt even put the cars on "your list in order". you said quote: "Not in order" hahahahah! lllllllllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy. one last thought. if you had the $890,000 you would have to spend it in somekind of special school for idiots. and even for that much they wouldnt even teach you because your mentally challenged.
     
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    Ok, let me see here, I am stupid and lazy, alrighty then. At least I understand the #$%#ing english language, ever hear of a paragraph? How about correct #$%#ing spelling, or maybe puncuation. No, wait it must be too hard for you to understand that stuff, seeing how you can't understand that there is more to a car than just numbers on paper, i.e. luxury, build quality, driving experience, and so forth.

    Calling me lazy for not coming up with a list that is in order? How can anyone realy make a set list of the best cars ever. You can argue that many of the cars on my list should be the best. You can also argue that many of the cars on my list should be replaced by another car. What you, and nobody else has been able to argue is that the Viper 800 tt should be on the list.

    If you want to talk about performance you must look at the whole picture of performance. The Viper can go in a straight line quicker, so shat there is more to being one of the best than straight line performance. You have to look at many other aspects of what makes a car great. Driving experience is one of the most important, and the McLaren has got to have the best one out there, as Johnathan Palmer put it, "compared to a Formula One car it actually felt faster." Palmer knows what he is talking about, he test drives F1 cars, and is the person that drove the McLaren F1 to it's world production car speed record.

    Price has nothing to do with wether a car is the best or not, but if you want to then fine, I can argue that based on price a Lumina that I can get for 5 bucks is better than the 800 tt. Or should I talk about the why the F1 costs so much, a lot of it has to do with production costs of a hand built car made out of carbon fiber, and the level of technology that the car used. Which do you feel more comfortable getting FUCKED by?

    What the hell is wrong with the BMW engine in the McLaren F1? It is considered the best engine in the world by many of the top experts. It meets California emissions standards without any mods, that made it the first supercar to do so. It is able to do 100,000 miles without any problems, just needing the regualr tune ups and what not. It seems like the only problem with the BMW engine you found was that it did not have enough liters, what the hell kind of argument is that? All that is is stupidity, how can you say one car is better tha another based on engine size?

    Get your facts right also, the McLaren F1 does 0-100 in 6.3 sec, that is not two seconds slower, but rather .8. If you can't get the right facts, then don't bother posting, it just makes YOU look STUPID, and the person, me, that points it out smarter, or would it be less lazy to get the correct facts? Also what the hell do you mean by 6k, and 9k? Do you mean 6 liter and 9 liter? I thought the 800 tt was * liters, not 9, I would think you could get the specs right on the car you seem to like so much. And the McLaren has 6.1, or are we too lazy to look that one up.

    Also the McLaren is going up in value, so it costs a lot more than what it did from teh factory, I think I saw one go for 2.1 million dollars some place.

    Also if I had a cool million sitting around I would not get a McLaren F1, I would get an e30 M3, and then make it in to my dream sleeper car, take what I have left over and buy a BMW 3.0 CSL, move to Germany, and drive on the Nurbugring all day long.
     
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    considering the 2 fastest cars in the list bmw made are the Mclaren and Enzo, i'll just compare the 800tt with those (which has already been done in the 800vs.Mclaren and 800vs.Enzo threads):


    Venom 800TT:
    0-60 mph: 2.4 sec
    0-100 mph: 5.5 sec
    Quarter Mile: 9.99 sec @ 138.95 mph
    Skidpad: 1.06g
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 110 ft
    Slalom Speed: 75.1 mph

    Venom 800tt (street tires):
    0-60: 3.21
    1/4 mile: 10.71 @ 137.6 mph


    97' McLaren F1 GT:
    0-60 mph: 3.3 sec
    0-100 mph: 7.7 sec
    Quarter Mile: 11.6 sec @ 125 mph
    Skidpad: .86g
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 127 ft
    Slalom Speed: 64.5 mph

    As for which one would win on a track, the 800TT outbrakes the F1 into the corners, out accelerates out of the corners, and with a skidpad of 1.05g's and slalom of 75.1 could hold in the corner, and on any other part of the track (where no corners are, basically just straights) the 800tt would also have the advantage. So the 800 would definitely win on a drag strip, and could have a chance on a track.


    ferrari enzo: (estimated times)
    0-60 mph: 3.6 sec
    0-100 mph: 6.3 sec
    Quarter Mile: 11.0 sec
    Top Speed: 217 mph

    and with these estimates, the 800 might be able to beat the Enzo as well.

    And considering these are the two fastest cars on the list, the 800tt can basically beat that top 10 list.

    I don't think anyones said the 800tt is the best car in the world, but considering it's compared with the best cars in the world and comes out on top.......................well, i'll leave it at that. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    Yes and with these facts in mind you'll also have to consider that both the Enzo and the McLaren are MID-ENGINE cars, lighter and costs about 5 to 10 times as much.
    Still the Viper has better overall specs!

    Looks? Well, looks are highly subjective, but I'd like to put it like this: I want my car to look like a CAR and not like a hi tech spacecraft.
     
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    Great, we all know that the 800 tt is the fastest car ion a straight line in this comparison, that was not being disputed. Also the times for the McLaren F1 GT are all est., but they are supposed to be teh same as teh McLaren F1, except for top speed is lowered. Now here are the numbers for the McLaren F1 that are not correct as stated above:

    0-60: 3.2 sec.
    0-100: 6.3 sec.
    1/4 mile: 11.1 @ 138

    And the numbers for the Enzo:

    0-62: 3.7 sec.
    0-124: 9.5 sec.
    1/4 mile: No times yet released, or tested
    60-0 braking: Supposed to set a new production car world record for shortest stoping distance.

    So the 800 tt is still faster, what the hell was the point of that? Oh yeah, getting our information correct thats right.

    Now if you want to look at numbers on paper some more, the McLaren F1 has already beaten 800+ hp beasts on the race track. In the Japanese GT championship a McLaren F1 GTR, that was built from spare parts, had an average lap time of nearly 2 sec. quicker than the next closest car. Also just because a car can do 0-60 and 0-100 quicker does not make it better overall, or on a race track. 0-60 times do not matter on a race track. They tell us nothing about which car would win in a drag race coming out of that last turn at 40, and then by the time you hit the finish line you are doing 100. For a McLaren F1 it would take just 1.2 sec. to get going that fast, how long would the 800 tt take? You see it is in gear acceleration that matters on a race track, not drop the clutch acceleration.

    Once again I will explain, there is more to being the best than going fast than anything else. Teh McLaren is not considered to be the best by Gordon Murray for it's sheer speed, but rather what else it has to offer, teh best build quality, an engine that is very reliable and capable of 100,000+ miles, the Model of it's day basically. It has no power assisted steering, braking, or anything like that. It is just one of the best engineered cars ever, and probably the best built ever. It also offers the best driving experience as I have proven in my last post. So that is why the McLaren F1 is at the top of evey car journalists dream cars to drive list, not the 800 tt, not the Viper, bit that is right the McLaren F1.

    For the Enzo, it is the tech showcase car that everyone has been witing for to knock the McLaren off the top, not he 800 tt, odd everyone seems to compare their cars to the McLaren F1 not the 800 tt. Has teh Enzo done this feet yet? Yes, and no. By your standards, no it is slower. Based on what I think a supercar should be, no, but based on what it does, is going to do, and what it is going to become, I do not know, I do not see in to the future, but fo rwhat it is and has done, it is still better than the 800 tt.

    If all you guys want to do is look for the fastest car and call it the best ever, then may I suggest checking out the Mercedes W 125? It is the fastest car on this site based on it's stats on this site. May I say it is the best? Oh yeah, and did I forget to mention it was built in 1938?
     
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    why dont we just stop with the yackin and wait for the two cars to get side by side on the track. there is no point in going on and waisting our time on this site. ive been on this site for how long now. about 3 months. you know how many times ive posted? about 9! you know why? im not stayin on this freakin computer trying to prove to people what the truth is. what are the people on this site that your arguing with going to say.........are they going to give up and say....."ok, your right, i was wrong." heck no. we have no reason too. well im going back to my life now. ive got a job and im actually working toward these cars that everybody is yackin about. consider this. you can take a 502 big block put a few grand into it. drop it into a chevy of somekind and have a 10 second car. now thats not all you would have to do but still. if anyone of us ever get these cars, something better will come out sooner or later. and you know it. so then you just going to have to get a better job to pay for that better car. if anybody on this site had a life they would start planning about their future and shoot toward these cars. thats the best thing you could do. dont waist your breath. but that just "my opinion".........
     
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    This is one of the worst cars made today. Everbody who doesn't know a god damn thing about cars thinks this is the greatest car ever built. I would rather get around useing a #$%#in pogo stick than this piece of shit.
     
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    Congrats! That was the single most ignorant thing I've heard today. And to think I was losing faith in peoples' ability to act like idiots...
     
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    No, there are some people that know things that like this car, and think it is the best thing since sliced bread. It is not a crapy car aswell, and actually is one of the better cars our there. Look at what you get for the money, and you will see that it is one hell of a deal. You can get more for the money also, but as a prepackaged car, it is one of the best values out there for sheer straight line performance.
     
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    Oh my god, the 800TT is a piece of shit car? I didn't know that, and it has to be true since CORVETTEZOMBIE says so.
    Cause we all know that CORVETTEZOMBIE is a real car expert!
     
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    I don't get upset when knowledgeable people like this car. It's the average person i get pissed off with. The people who use this website and take the time to become members generally know a thing or two about cars. It's when I get into a conversation with somebody who doesn't know a damn thing about an automoobile. They say this is the best car because its faster than a McLaren F1. I was trying to get a reply from someone like that and im sorry if I offended anybody with an I.Q. larger than their shoe size.
     
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    I think you should have found a better way to get your point across in the first place. Furthermore, there is no such thing as "the best car" - you know, different strokes for different folks.
     
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    "coming out of that last turn at 40, and then by the time you hit the finish line you are doing 100. For a McLaren F1 it would take just 1.2 sec. to get going that fast, how long would the 800 tt take? "

    1.2 seconds? from 40-100? the Mclaren does 0-60 in 3.2, and 0-100 in 6.3, so going from 60-100 takes 3.1 seconds, and would take more to go from 40-100.

    Venom 800tt (street tires):
    0-60: 3.21
    1/4 mile: 10.71 @ 137.6 mph

    And it has an estimated 0-100 time of 6.6

    Now that would make the McLaren .3 seconds faster from 60-100

    But when they reach 138mph the 800tt does 100-138mph .7 seconds faster than the Mclaren. 100-138 for 800tt = 4.11, and 4.8 for the Mclaren.


    "odd everyone seems to compare their cars to the McLaren F1 not the 800 tt."


    Well, a lot of people don't think the 800tt is a great car, i mean look at this forum, it's filled with people who think the car is horrible, when it isn't.
     
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    "They say this is the best car because its faster than a McLaren F1. I was trying to get a reply from someone like that"

    Well i guess you wanted me to reply because i kind of said that, but i never said it was the best car ever, and i've never said that.

    But, people say the Mclaren is the best road car in the world, so if you compare a 800tt to "the best road car in the world" and the 800tt, can beat it in a drag race (which is the kind of racing you do on the road) and could have a chance, or a close race, on a track..........think about it. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    There is a difference between something being "the best road racing car" and "the best road going car". Everything on the Mclaren, suspension included, is intended to perform well on the street (unfortunately that does translate to disadvantages around the track). The suspension was softer than it could have been, for a slightly more comfortable ride and there are many other small details that make it more pleasant to drive on the street.

    Personally, I think cars like the Aston Martin Vanquish, the Honda NSX or the Murcielago are better road cars than the 800tt, while the 800tt certainly makes the better race car. The Mclaren is a compromise somewhere in the middle of the two.
     
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    There is more to being the best road car in the world than being able to drag race. Like I have said time and time again you must look at quality, comfort, drivability, ect., you must look at what the car has caused in the automotive industry. The McLaren has givne a gaol to the new bread of supercars, and still 10 years after it was released, and 15 after the design of the car started, it has yet to be topped. The McLaren also uses many advanced technologies that are still very rare in supercars, i.e. full carbon fiber chassis, gold leaf heat reflection in the engine bay (No other car has it), and so forth.

    Now lets look at what the 800 tt has to offer in the way of advancing the industry, nothing. It does not have anything special about it. It is not the best handling, the fastest, the best built, the most advanced. It is not even close in a lot of areas to what the banch mark of excellence, i.e. build quality sucks, no advanced technologies, and many other aspects that would justify the 800 tt as a car that has advanced the industry. It also does not make that great of a road car. It has more power than the gearing can handle for the road, has suspension too hard for the road also (That is why it can pull so many g's). The feel of the steering of the Viper has been chritized by many motoring jounalists, and is often the reason why the Viper will take last place in competitions to see which car is the best road car, a Honda Civic, BMW M3, Porsche GT3, adn a Ferrari of some sorts, or another car that is similar to the Viper, i.e. Aston Martin or TVR. And yes I have seen a car comparison that had the Viper in last place, even behind the Honda Civic R.

    The McLaren does not get that many g's on the pad because it does use a softer suspension. It is still one of the best handling cars out there though because it has exactly what an experienced driver wants in the handling characteristics of a car, just a little over stear. It also has very good response times to driver input, and has been praised by many for the engine reponse, and the steering response. So there is a lot more to handling than just being able to pull a lot of g's on the skid pad. You must also remember that the suspension on the McLaren is fully adjustable, and that the factory setting of the suspension was what they felt would be the best compromise between handling abilities, and comfort. The McLaren was never intended to be raced on a track, and Murray himself said, and I quote, "I told them when I first started to design it that they can not come back to me and ask me to race this car, it is a road car first, adn that to make it race ready would be very hard," it is very hard to make the McLaren a race worhty car, and yet they still were able to get an overall win at Le Mans. That is what happens when you have some of the best engineers in the world I guess.

    Ultimately it is your choice to make wether the 800 tt is better than any other road car, but when the majority of automotive journalists, espaecialy the best say that the Viper is not that great, and we all know I hope that speed is not the only factor holding the Viper back, then it must be clear that the 800 tt is not going to tople any of the big boys just because it has more power.

    And to Viper1426, I think that is your user name, when you say it has been compared to the best, and beaten the best (You wish) you imply that it is the best. Especially when you say stupid shit after making some crap post that I have proven to be crap time and time again like "Think about it" or some other dumb thing like that.
     
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    There is more to being the best road car in the world than being able to drag race. Like I have said time and time again you must look at quality, comfort, drivability, ect., you must look at what the car has caused in the automotive industry. The McLaren has givne a gaol to the new bread of supercars, and still 10 years after it was released, and 15 after the design of the car started, it has yet to be topped. The McLaren also uses many advanced technologies that are still very rare in supercars, i.e. full carbon fiber chassis, gold leaf heat reflection in the engine bay (No other car has it), and so forth.

    Now lets look at what the 800 tt has to offer in the way of advancing the industry, nothing. It does not have anything special about it. It is not the best handling, the fastest, the best built, the most advanced. It is not even close in a lot of areas to what the banch mark of excellence, i.e. build quality sucks, no advanced technologies, and many other aspects that would justify the 800 tt as a car that has advanced the industry. It also does not make that great of a road car. It has more power than the gearing can handle for the road, has suspension too hard for the road also (That is why it can pull so many g's). The feel of the steering of the Viper has been chritized by many motoring jounalists, and is often the reason why the Viper will take last place in competitions to see which car is the best road car, a Honda Civic, BMW M3, Porsche GT3, and a Ferrari of some sorts, or another car that is similar to the Viper, i.e. Aston Martin or TVR. And yes I have seen a car comparison that had the Viper in last place, even behind the Honda Civic R.

    The McLaren does not get that many g's on the pad because it does use a softer suspension. It is still one of the best handling cars out there though because it has exactly what an experienced driver wants in the handling characteristics of a car, just a little over stear. It also has very good response times to driver input, and has been praised by many for the engine reponse, and the steering response. So there is a lot more to handling than just being able to pull a lot of g's on the skid pad. You must also remember that the suspension on the McLaren is fully adjustable, and that the factory setting of the suspension was what they felt would be the best compromise between handling abilities, and comfort. The McLaren was never intended to be raced on a track, and Murray himself said, and I quote, "I told them when I first started to design it that they can not come back to me and ask me to race this car, it is a road car first, adn that to make it race ready would be very hard," it is very hard to make the McLaren a race worhty car, and yet they still were able to get an overall win at Le Mans. That is what happens when you have some of the best engineers in the world I guess.

    Ultimately it is your choice to make wether the 800 tt is better than any other road car, but when the majority of automotive journalists, espaecialy the best say that the Viper is not that great, and we all know I hope that speed is not the only factor holding the Viper back, then it must be clear that the 800 tt is not going to tople any of the big boys just because it has more power.

    And to Viper1426, I think that is your user name, when you say it has been compared to the best, and beaten the best (You wish) you imply that it is the best. Especially when you say stupid shit after making some crap post that I have proven to be crap time and time again like "Think about it" or some other dumb thing like that.
     
  22. Re: This car is not the best...

    I've never said the 800tt has or can "beat the best"the 800tt, can beat it in a drag race (which is the kind of racing you do on the road) and could have a chance, or a close race, on a track..........think about it.
     
  23. Re: This car is not the best...

    "And to Viper1426, I think that is your user name, when you say it has been compared to the best, and beaten the best (You wish) you imply that it is the best. Especially when you say stupid shit after making some crap post that I have proven to be crap time and time again like "Think about it" or some other dumb thing like that."


    And to BMWM3GTR, i've NEVER said the 800tt can, without a doubt, beat the best. I have said:

    the 800tt, can beat it in a drag race and could have a chance, or a close race, on a track.

    And i will add, that YES the viper, especially the 800tt, are not the best road cars, for daily driving usage, but if you owned the car, that would mean you like the car, and wouldn't care.


    Now this thread is "this car is not the best" And I Agree, it's Not the Best all around car.

    But, IT IS one of the Best cars, performance wise, on a drag strip and on a track.

    To sum up this thread:

    800tt:
    All around, in all aspects = not the best
    All around, performance wise = one of, if not the, Best

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  24. Re: This car is not the best...

    lol

    Volvo 240!

    WE HAVE A WINNER!! Volvos rule...i have a 340GL
     
  25. Re: This car is not the best...

    I don't think that list really proves the 800tt isn't the best car.

    BMWM3GTR200 put it up to try and prove that, but besides the Mclaren and Enzo, i don't think the other cars on the list prove the 800tt not to be the best car.

    But like i've said, the 800tt is not the best car in all aspects, but performance wise, it is one, if not THE best.

    Basically,

    800tt:
    All around, in all aspects = not the best
    All around, performance wise = one of, if not the, Best
     

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