this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discussion in '2000 Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT' started by FireBird175, Jan 24, 2003.

  1. dodge has more acceleration and horse but the kclaren has more speed
     
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    Don't forget that the Mclaren F1 is ONLY the fastest production car in the world...
     
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    Do you think this is a fair comparison? I mean the F1 is only 6 times as expensive. The Viper 800tt is probably the fastest under 200k, but you can't compare it to a McLaren. McLaren is not only fast like hell but it handles great and looks great.
     
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    dont' forget that it actually uses its brakes to win races...
    'cause it can ou-brake nearly any other car...?
     
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    That's true.
     
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    Mclaren F1 would win!
     
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    Ok, before this thread turns into nothing but opinions, here's the facts:

    Venom 800TT:
    0-60 mph: 2.4 sec
    0-100 mph: 5.5 sec
    Quarter Mile: 9.99 sec @ 138.95 mph
    Skidpad: 1.06g
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 110 ft
    Slalom Speed: 75.1 mph

    Venom 800tt (street tires):
    0-60: 3.21
    1/4 mile: 10.71 @ 137.6 mph


    97' McLaren F1 GT:
    0-60 mph: 3.3 sec
    0-100 mph: 7.7 sec
    Quarter Mile: 11.6 sec @ 125 mph
    Skidpad: .86g
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 127 ft
    Slalom Speed: 64.5 mph

    As for which one would win on a track, Read the 800 vs. F50 thread.

    The same goes here in this comp. the 800TT outbrakes the F1 into the corners, out accelerates out of the corners, and on any other part of the track (where no corners are, basically just straights) the 800tt would also have the advantage. So the 800 would definitely win on a drag strip.
    Now everyones entitled to thier opinions as to which one would win on a track (but read this post again before you make up your minds) <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    First off a few points:

    1. Did you mean the GTR, LM or the plain old F1? There is no GT.
    2. The F1 does 0-100 in 6.3 sec., not 7.7
    3. 11.1 at 138 for 1/4 mile, not 11.6 at 125, that is from the McLaren book.
    4. 0-60 times do not matter for road racing.
    5. The 800 tt is a tuners car, the F1 is a production car.
    6. The F1 was made to be the ultimate ROAD car, not a race car.
    7. What does matter though is in gear acceleration, look at this; 0-100 in 11 sec., in third gear! While that is from a stop, it does mean that it flies like hell for in gear acceleration.
    8. The BMW V12 engine passes California emmisions, and those are the 2005 standards, from the factory!
    9. The BMW engine is tied with the Mercedes V12 for the most reliable engine ever built, plus it can do 100,000 miles witout any major problems. Just a tune up here and there.
    10. The F1 won Le Mans straight up, did the Viper do that, ahh no.
    11. The F1 has the driver's seat in the middle, how can you argue with that?
    12. It has 24k gold leaf in the engine bay for heat shielding, does the 800 tt?
    13. The McLaren can drive around town, can the 800 tt?
    14. The F1 gets 19 mpg, the stock Viper gets 15.4 mpg, does someone like supporting terrorism?
    15. It is not a Dodge.
     
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    1. Does it matter?
    2. So what? the 800TT is still faster.
    3. So what? the 800TT is still faster.
    4. Are you dumb? that's the only thing that matters!
    5. So what? The 800TT is still cheaper.
    6. The 800TT will beat in both racing and on the road.
    7. So??
    8. Who cares about california emissions? I don't live there.
    9. The would totally depend on maintenance of the car, don't you think?
    10. Yes, Viper won the Le Mans two times in a row.
    11. Driver's seat in the middle is totally gay, so no I'm not gonna argue with that.
    12. No the 800TT doesn't need to have that pussy crap!
    13. Yes, what makes you think it can't??
    14. Are you stupid? What the hell has that got to do with terrorism?
    If you have the money to buy these cars you don't give a rats ass about gas milage.
    15. Yes, It's DODGE!!
     
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    Re: this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    1. http://www.fast-autos.net/mclaren/mclarenf1gt.html
    2. The 800tt is still faster
    3. and on street tires, the 800tt does 10.71 @ 137.6 mph.
    4. ??? if you're road racing, you'd like to beat the guy next to you off the line, so 0-60 does matter.
    5. No, the 800tt is considered a production car, hennessey builds them, and that's probably why MOTORTREND said "800tt, fastest production car in the world?"
    6. if that's so, why post # 10? i mean if the McLaren isn't a race car of anything?
    7. ok here you say 0-100 matters, but in # 4, 0-60 doesn't matter??
    also the 800tt does 0-100 in 5.5 seconds.
    8 and 9. ummm....your entire post is about the 800 and the mclaren, what does a bmw have to do with anything?
    10. The viper hasn't won LeMans straight out, but has won LeMans in its' class FOUR YEARS IN A ROW (like the ford GT40 did in the 60's).
    11. Who want to argue about a seat??
    12. No, and who cares?
    13. Yes, it's reliable enough with it's 3yr/36,000 warranty.
    14. To put my fav. car in the same sentence with terrorism (and being american) i'm appalled.
    BTW, the 1995 McLaren F1 LM gets what? 12MPG.
    15. And not being a dodge, it doesn't beat this dodge.
     
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    1. The Mclaren that is shown there is a special F1 that did not have any name denotation according to my McLaren book, but was reffered to as the F1 GT by some magazines. Not only that, but unless you had very close ties to McLaren you were not able to get one of those, so all that realy is is a show car, and then you found a website trying to pass off stats on it, and they are wrong anyways, it has the same performance as the regular F1 according to my McLaren book.

    2. Good for the 800 tt

    3. What kind of street tyres?

    4. So are you saying that Derrik Bell, Juan Puablo Montoya, and a whole heap more of racecar drivers are wrong? They all say 0-60 doesn't matter on a race course, why? Because you only do 0-60 one time, off the grid.

    5. Is Hennesy recognized as it's own manufacturer? If so, then why is it called the Dodge Hennesy 800 tt Viper? Not just Hennesey 800 tt. Look at Ruf (Porsche), Ruf gives it it's own vin number, is crash tested, has it's own car names, and recognized as a manufacture. Henneseys are not.

    6. Because the point of the car was to be the best roadcar, and it just so happens that it ended up being the best racecar at Le Mans that year also.

    7. I didn't say that 0-100 mattered, or didn't matter. It does matter more than 0-60 because there is more time spent accelerating through speeds that will be used on the race track. I used a 0-100 time to show that in gear it has very good acceleration, probally better than the 800 tt. Remember it did 0-100 in 11 sec. in 3rd gear.

    8.& 9. The engine in the McLaren is a BMW M POWER V12, if you think BMW has nothing to do with it then you are the dumbest person that I have found in my entire life. Also the BMW V12 in the McLaren is the engine tied for the most reliable engine with the Mercedes.

    10. Are you saying that four straight wins at Le Mans in the GT2 class or what ever they call it now is the same as four straight overall victories? So is that accomplishment as good as the Audi run alos? What about the M3's run?

    11. The seating postion has a lot to do with the driving experience, which is what most people that would buy one of these cars look for in a road car. The center driving postion that the McLaren has is said to be the best seating postion ever for a road car.

    12. It shows that McLaren cared about every little detail. The McLaren once again sets the standard for fit and finish, the Viper has been critisised for it's fit and finish before.

    13. Cool, it matches the McLaren on one point maybe, have you ever driven one around town? If not then I will go with what the Car & Driver or Road & Track, not sure which mag it was I read the review in, test driver said, a hand full on the street.

    14. The number one money supporter of terrorism is oil money. So a car that gets worse gas milage supports terrorism more than one that gets better. I am an american also. Plus, we are comparing the McLaren F1, not the F1 LM to the 800 tt, so what the hell does the LM's MPG matter. Also what does the 800 tt get, 10, 9 MPG?

    15. So any car that is not a Dodge looses to all Dodges? Are you saying that a Neon is better than a McLaren F1?

    What was your favorite car before this?

    My top 10 favorite cars are-
    1. BMW e30 M3
    2. BMW 3.0 CSL Batmobile
    3. Volvo 240 R Turbo from the mid 80's
    4. McLaren F1 LM
    5. Stanley Steamer
    6. Porsche GT2 (996)
    7. New BMW M5
    8. BMW M1
    9. Ferrari 550
    10. Subaru Impreza WRX Sti

    Also so what if Motor Trend said 'fastest production car ever?' The McLaren is the fastest production car ever. The 800 tt is not a production car. Also the McLaren is 10 years old, and everybody still compares cars to the F1 to see if it is better than the best (McLaren F1), not the 800 tt. It seems like the F1 is still the car to beat, otherwise they would compare it to the 800 tt, or what ever is better than the McLaren.
     
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    The 800TT sucks.

    Because in the end, no matter what happens on the track or the strip, you in your 800TT (You wish) and me in my McLaren (I wish), I drive away with a McLaren, and you with a Dodge.

    Eat it.
     
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    3. street slicks, but the 800tt on street tires can still beat the F1 in 0-60, 0-100, and 1/4.

    4. ummm....i was saying 0-60 matters in a ROAD RACE (read my post again)

    5. Yes, thier production cars include the venom 500,550,600,650R,750R, and 800tt. (and it's called the dodge hennessey,ONLY on this web site, go to fast-autos.net, the venom vipers are under hennessey, not dodge)

    7. and the 800tt still faster

    10. i'm simply saying the viper has 4 class victories.

    12. the viper is a sports car, and i don't think any owner of the car cares if it has nice interior, or gold in the engine bay.

    13. Yes, the viper is a hard 'daily driver', but if you like the car enough, you wouldn't care.

    14. "So a car that gets worse gas milage supports terrorism more than one that gets better"

    hmmm...well the F1 gets 19mpg, while the LM gets 12mpg, so you're saying the lm supports terrorists more??

    also, i don't think ANY car "supports" terrorism, true oil money has a round about way of getting to terrorist, but then you'd be saying EVERY car supports terrorism.

    (if you were to go into the car compare forum, and make the argument that 'this car is better it "supports" terrorism less, that would make for a strange comparison.)

    AND TO EVEN USE THAT ARGUMENT BECAUSE YOUR CAR CAN'T BEAT THE OTHER WITH PERFORMANCE #'S IS REALLY, REALLY SAD.

    15. No, and No
    just stating that the McLaren in this comparison looses to a dodge

    My fav. car is the 800tt

    "so what if Motor Trend said 'fastest production car ever?' The McLaren is the fastest production car ever. The 800 tt is not a production car"

    No, the 800tt is a producion car, hence why MT would say 'fastest prodction car'. But now the Lingenfelter 427tt vette is considered the fastest production car with its' 1.97 0-60 time.
     
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    Well, looking at the numbers that have been posted in this thread, Me in my 800TT (i wish) will be driving away faster.
     
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    What was your favorite car before the 800 tt, not right now, but before you started liking the 800 tt.

    Also the fastest car is not based on acceleration, but top speed, the quickest car is based on acceleration.

    Is Hennesey recognized as a car manufature by the Government? No, all they do is modify the car, and not even that heavily. Put on a turbo, brakes, and new shocks and call yourself a manufacture, ok I have 20 buddies that are car manufactures, not to mention myself. Just because a company modifies cars themselves for a bunch of rich morons that can't change their own oil doesn't make them a manufacture. They need to make design changes, not just use off the shelf parts, and if so because they happen to fit. Ruf makes 90% of their parts in house, or contracts the manufacturing of the parts. Even if you were to call Hennesey a manufature, it still doesn't change the fact that all they did to this Viper is put on two turbos, brakes, shocks, tyres, and a little more not, completely sure on all the mods they did, but I know you could tell me. That is nothing, I could do that for for half as much as they charge probally, and get better results.

    Also the 800 tt is not called the Dodge Hennesey on this website only. I do not get any of my info off of this site actually because I have found more stats wrong on it than I have ever seen in my entire life uin one place. I get a lot of my information from Car magazine(The most widly read Car magazine in the world) and Evo magazine(About the same as car, but more performance cars only). Also I get a lot of my info from books on the cars(usually the factory book), rarely do I get info from websites though, mainly because I just got the internet, hence the low post count.

    No, I do not think that all cars support terrorism, realy don't even think any car does. What does is the hatered towards america caused by the deals that are struck over oil by american oil tycons. Then you get some crazy person that got screwed, like Osama, trying to get back at them for causing him to lose money, and then they bring religion in to the mix because that is the only way they can get the people to hate america. That is what causes terrorism.

    Now to the orignal question of this forum, 800 tt or McLaren F1. I will state again why I choose the McLaren, it is the best overall supercar ever made. It got it's publicity because of it's speed, and everyone thinks that it is the best for that reason, but as Murray(McLaren F1 designer) said, "Top speed does not matter, but the experience," and the experience according to F1 test driver Johnathan Palmer "is compared to a Formula One car it actually fells faster," and if that is not the ultimate experince in a road car, then I do not know what it is.
     
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    "What was your favorite car before the 800 tt, not right now, but before you started liking the 800 tt."

    My favorite car beforet the 800TT was the 650R (i wish people would post at its forum, b/c it's a great car) and before that, the viper.


    "Also the fastest car is not based on acceleration, but top speed, the quickest car is based on acceleration."

    Well,the quickest cars now would be considered the vette 427tt and the 800tt, but keep in mind these cars haven't been tested for top speed.


    Hennessey is recognized as a tuner shop, like lingenfelter, or SVS vipers. And because he produces and sells cars, those cars are considered to be a production cars (like lingenfelter and SVS)

    Motortrend: "venom 800tt, fastest PRODUCTION car ever?"

    SVS Systems: "soon coming the 1700hp TT rocketsled viper, in the pursuit of make the viper the fastest PRODUCTION car in the world"

    maybe they're not considered manufactorers be the Gov. but by what they do, which is produce tuned cars, they are.


    "Also the 800 tt is not called the Dodge Hennesey on this website only. I do not get any of my info off of this site actually because I have found more stats wrong on it than I have ever seen in my entire life uin one place. I get a lot of my information from Car magazine"

    Well in Motortrend Magazine, they consider and call it the Hennessey viper, not the dodge hennessey viper. (look in the may 2001 issue if you can)
    And in the back of later MT mags. the 800tt is under Hennessey, not dodge. Just stating once again, HMS, SVS, and Lingenfelter are considered manufactorers, and the cars they make to be production cars.


    "and the experience according to F1 test driver Johnathan Palmer "is compared to a Formula One car it actually fells faster," and if that is not the ultimate experince in a road car, then I do not know what it is."

    Well, when MT tested the 650R, they used 'spine breaking' acceleration to describe the 650R's 0-60 and 1/4mile time.

    And considering the 800TT is faster, that could be another "ultimate experience"
     
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    No contest viper would destroy mclaren cuz of accel.
    ON a 1/4 mile viper longer Mclaren
     
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    I understand you're saying the viper would win in a 1/4 mile, but you should re-word that post "viper longer Mclaren"??

    But, that's a good 1st post.
     
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    Don't you guys think that it's a bit weird to compare a front-engine car with a mid-engine car that costs about five times as much if you're even able to get hold of one.
    The 800TT differs in so many ways from a McLaren F1.

    Personally I'd take the McLaren F1 and then sell it. I'd use the money to buy a brand new Viper and then take it to Hennessey and have them tune it to like 800-900 ponies. I will probably still have enough money left to cover for Viper insurance, maintenace and gas money for the rest of my life. I think that says it all.
     
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    I mean that if the two were to race on any thing longer than a quarter mile, the Mclaren would win
     
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    McLaren F1 would eat this thing as a quick snack on it's wa to bigger fish to fry. also the McLaren does 0-100 in 11 sec. in third gear. That shows that it can accelerate in gear very well, which is what matters on a racetrack, not 0-60 times or what not. don't say that 0-60 does because if you say that it does, then Derrik Bell, Montoya, and so forth are wrong.
     
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    Yeah sure, how many McLaren F1 owners actually races the damn thing?
     
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    0.00000 will ever take it out of the garage or show room.
     
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    More than you think. A private owner offered his McLaren F1 LM to Car magazine so they could set a new 0-100-0 record. They succeded with 11.52 sec. Also in the third race I believe of the Japanese GT Chamionship, a McLaren F1 was enterd in the race, and beat the ever loving crap out of them. On top of that most of the cars it wen tup against had 800 hp or so. So it has already beaten cars with 800 hp before, and it will do it again to the 800 tt. Try watching racing on occaion other than nascrap, and you may see some of the cars you compare in hear acctually fighting it out on the race track.
     
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    bmwm3gtr200:
    "McLaren F1 would eat this thing as a quick snack on it's wa to bigger fish to fry. also the McLaren does 0-100 in 11 sec. in third gear. That shows that it can accelerate in gear very well, which is what matters on a racetrack, not 0-60 times or what not. don't say that 0-60 does because if you say that it does, then Derrik Bell, Montoya, and so forth are wrong. "


    0-100 in 11secs.? maybe you mean 1/4 mile.

    But i will say 0-100 is more important that 0-60 on a race track, and the 800tt with it's 5.5 sec. 0-100 time on street slicks, and estimated 0-100 time on street tires of 6.6, it could have a good chance of taking a Mclaren on a track. (0-60 and 1/4mile were done on street tires for the 800tt)

    BTW, if anyone continues this thread, PLEASE read the post on the first page of this thread, where i compared the two cars. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     

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