this v.s mclaren f-1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Discussion in '2000 Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT' started by FireBird175, Jan 24, 2003.

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    And the mid-engine Murcielago with more hp and AWD grip was slower...
     
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    It would be close. Remember, in last year's C&D Supercar Challenge, the 800TT beat the Mosler MT900S Photon on the overall road course. And it beat the Beck Lister on the very twistiest portion of track. Both cars are *much* lighter than the 800TT and are lighter than the McLaren F1 too, and have better weight distributions than the 800TT to boot.
     
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    Yeah I guess you're right. The 800TT is probably pretty outstanding out from corners due to the enormous torque, also less down shifting.
     
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    me and my friend mike had a really long conversation about this car and we came to the conclusion after 3 hours of fightin and stuff...the viper on 1/4 mile and it cant turn 4 its life..after 1 turn the mclaren would win any race, as long as the viper doesnt have to turn! you have to think about it...
     
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    You and your friend must be stupid to come to the conclusion after 3 hours that the 800tt can't turn.

    YOU have to look at the facts and think about it.

    800tt does 75.1mph in the slalom, 1.06 on the skidpad, and 60-0 braking in 110ft. These times are all better than the mclaren, and most cars, and these times do mean something on the track (read my earlier MT comparison post)

    Also, like Guibo said:

    "Remember, in last year's C&D Supercar Challenge, the 800TT beat the Mosler MT900S Photon on the overall road course. And it beat the Beck Lister on the very twistiest portion of track"

    So if the 800tt "cant turn 4 its life" then what's that make the mosler or lister? In that comp. the 800tt was able to trun around the track. Maybe it's due to it's Eibach spring with penske shocks, and 4 wilwood slotted disc brakes with 6-piston calipers.

    Given this you and your friend have to think about it... (and longer than 3 hours i guess)

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    ...Hmmm, it sounds like you guys need another three hours to think your thoughts over again....
     
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    800TT, hands down, not to mention it cost thousands less.
     
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    Let's just all take this Viper and put it against a McLaren on Lagauna Speedway with the same damn tires. But as far as I am concerned this Viper is not an actual production car. It's one hell of a drag racer, though. I doubt it would beat the McLaren on a road course though. The Viper really does have the bad oversteer problems. Oh, and one more thing. IT LOOKS LIKE ASS! I am American, but the Viper doesn't make my top 10 list and I agree with many others they're overrated. Drag strip=viper/road course=not sure/exotic, beautiful, and all out nice=McLaren. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    That's one horrible first post.

    If you had just spent at the most, 5 minutes looking through this thread, you might have not said that.



    First, the 800tt was tested on street tires (michelin pilots) and got 3.2 to 60 (ties the mclaren) est. 0-100 at 6.6 (probably faster, but mclaren beating it there) and 1/4 mile at 10.71 @ 137.6 (beating the mclaren)

    Also, its skidpad, slalom, and 60-0 braking beat the mclaren.
    (75.1 slalom, 60-0 in 110ft, and skidpad of 1.06)


    And i'll just go ahead and post why those mean something Again:

    "In the june 2003 issue of MT.
    In thier 10 car shoot-out, they do a test on the track, a figure eight course layout.

    And given what the cars performed on the track, and what thier accel, and handling (skidpad #'s) you could say, that tests like skidpad and slalom do mean something.

    Here's the info.

    The mosler mt900 photon took 1st, (it used slicks for the entire comparison, hoosiersR3503's)
    It acceled the fastest and pulled the most g's. acceled to 83.6mph, and did 1.14g

    Second the viper srt10

    acceled to 79.3mph
    pulled 1.05g

    Third, lambo murcielago
    77.8mph
    .98g

    4th
    vette z06
    75.3mph
    .99g

    And so on.

    Each place you go down for a car, like from 5th to 6th the acceleration gets slower, or the cars didn't pull as many g's.

    The figure 8 track also tests acceleration, braking and hard, long turns in both directions, or cornering, and all transitions between."

    Like Motortrend says, the figure 8 track is basically the smallest road course.


    And i'll quote Guibo:

    "It would be close. Remember, in last year's C&D Supercar Challenge, the 800TT beat the Mosler MT900S Photon on the overall road course. And it beat the Beck Lister on the very twistiest portion of track. Both cars are *much* lighter than the 800TT and are lighter than the McLaren F1 too, and have better weight distributions than the 800TT to boot." BUT the 800tt still beat them.

    Like i've stated b4:

    drag race: 800TT

    road course: Either

    Best overall car (but for $1mil): Mclaren

    Best acceleration, and one of the best handling (maybe as good as mclaren) car (for around $110k): 800TT

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    The 800 got more power and more power is better. For the Prize I well take this car any time over the f1. As for thr track if there is a good driver the 800 will defanely bet the lozwey F1. which should be called th f2 now.l
     
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    i think this car would win because it has better acceleration and handling. The top speeds dont really matter because they are so close.
     
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    ...What do mean by saying that the McLaren is the best overall car?
     
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    If you ever read BMW's posts, he said it's the best overall car, which is true.
    The 800TT offers good accel, and handling, that's about it

    The mclaren offers that, plus by many, it's the best street car in the world, and has more Lux. and could be a daily driver. So Overall, and all catagories, its' better. But that comes at a around $1+ million price tag, (and probably more, considering they're now collectors cars, and the around 80 ppl that own one, would probably ask double for it.)

    So 800tt = good accel and handling

    mclaren = good in all catagories, or overall

    But considering some ppl just care about performance, and track, Like i've stated b4:

    drag race: 800TT

    road course: Either

    Best overall car (but for $1mil): Mclaren

    Best acceleration, and one of the best handling (maybe as good as mclaren) car (for around $110k): 800TT

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    I don't think the McLaren F1 is the best "overall" car, I mean if we're talking "daily drivers".

    If I could only have ONE car, and if I could pick any car I'd like, I would NOT pick a McLaren F1, I'd get something like a RS6, CL 65 AMG or a M5.
     
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    dude mclaren wins i bet mclaren is lighter than the 800TT
     
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    Mclaren is lighter? Sounds like a blinding flash of the obvious.
     
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    mclaren is more compact than the viper ok! the driver is in the middle so center of gravity more handling and its light too.
     
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    I posted this on the previous page:

    The mclaren being lighter is irrelevant, considering, take the lbs. of the cars divide by HP.

    You get power to weight

    mclaren F1, 2840lbs/627hp = 4.5 lbs./HP

    800tt: 3500lbs/833hp = 4.2 lbs./HP

    The 800tt acutally has the better power to weight ratio.

    But with that, and all the other arguments, i'll just say again, All things being equal in the comparison (driver skill, weather, exc..) that way your only testing the Cars capabilities, that either one would have a chance on the track.
     
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    Probably the Mclaren F1.
     
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    This is rediculous. The mclaren. A fast accelerating non- controlable car vs. A fast controlable car. The mclaren wins in every #$%#ing way.
     
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    It doesn't win at 1/4 mile, skidpad, slalom, or braking from 60.
     
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    What makes you think that any of those cars would be "uncontrollable" ?
     
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    Who said that we were comparing performance only? I must have I missed that.

     
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    ok boys i think its time to stop the fighting about these 2 cars going head to head. They are both amazing cars and are both better then the other at some things but not other things, as for 1/4 mile i would say that a 800tt viper would beat a kclaren not by much but it would still win. Last year at the import car show in toronto i had a chance to see a 800tt venom viper, after the car show i waited for that viper to leave so that i could race it in my 700 hp acura integra. Lol so much for a race, the viper was at least 3 car lengths ahead of me after 3 seconds it is an amazing car. But as i said no point in fighting, the new W16 Buggati Veyron would decimate them both with its 1000hp and 1000lb/ft or torque
     
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    Price does reflect final cost to a great extent. I mean, the cost of the McLaren isn't totally due to its limited production nature. A whole helluva lot of its parts unique to it and to it alone. They had to be designed, engineered, fabricated. And put together with precision by human hands. This is not to say that it's better in all respects. Simply that it takes longer to build.
    That being said, just about any $1M supercar being built today better have some phenomenal performance. That's to be expected.

    The 800TT has been put through hundreds of dyno runs, quarter mile runs, 2 magazine tests (1 involving road course lapping), all the while on stock Viper internals below the head. Not Le Mans-type stuff, but still not shabby. The Viper's race record is nothing to sneeze at either. Being based on a $70K production car, you can't expect it to go head to head against million dollar exotics and win outright, now can you?
     

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