THIS VS. CAMARO INTIMIDATOR SS

Discussion in '2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra' started by Camaro Roller, Aug 9, 2002.

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    I said show me the fastest LS1. As you can tell I already know the answer to this. The fastest modular 4.6 is now in the low 7s…I know of no 8 second LS1s and only a few 9 second ones. If it is such a joke why aren’t you laughing. If there is no replacement for displacement why is the 4.6 so much faster than the LS1. I don’t see the 4.6 maxing out, at least not as quickly as the LS1. If you have the nerve to say that the LS1 is the better engine and the 4.6 is a piece of crap or the 4.6 is whatever could ya please back it up. That is all I ask.

    P.S. The 5.0 is coming back, just not in the form you are talking about. Think 5.0 SOHC and 5.0 DOHC.
     
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    OK, so I did a little research, the fastest (that I'm aware of) 4.6 is running a 8.3@160 on the stock block, stock heads, stock cams with the aid of a high boost turbocharger.
     
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    Or how bout we give the camaro anther 70 cubic inches, or how bout we twin turbo on the camaro, or how bout we give you a tissue. The svt cobra comes with the sc in factory trim, that means that its all factory. Chevy decided to go with more displacement. Live with it. Moron.
     
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    Hoseman you seem to be very bitter of the people who oppose your opinions. Iv never herd of a 4.6 getting an 8. Was this 4.6 even a ford? Im asking you to give me a link to a site of this engine/car that can do this? You had asked for the fastest 5.7, so i gave it to you. Whats wrong with the lt1. The mosler mt900 uses a 5.7 as well. An that one IS a ls1. Im not sure if its the fastest, but the mosler does beat out the saleen s7. Just do me that favor and give me the link.
     
  5. #30 Heyman, Aug 24, 2002
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    If you don’t believe of a 4.6 getting 8s, you are behind quite a few years and seconds. Stroked 5.0 and 5.4 cobras are way into the 7s. I was responding to SLPCamaroSS’s comment of stock block vs. stock block. Now as far as certain cars not yet in the 8s…LSwhat? FYI, the 4.6 is faster period, faster stock vs. stock block/cams/heads, faster stock, faster adding a blower etc. Just going to show what is done with our ‘crappy’ motor as you put it.

    Scroll down to the yellow 97 cobra: http://www.jmschip.com/trackinfo.html
    …and uhh, yeah it was a Ford.

    P.S. We weren’t talking about the LT1 or even Ford’s 302, 351, 429 etc. that’s completely different, this is LS1 vs. 4.6 and how because you have more cubes or whatever the reason that you think that chevy is so much better automatically. This is for your information since I don’t already have that problem.
     
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    I dont automaticly assume chevy is better. Its just my preferred line of cars. I say the 4.6 is crappy because my next dore neighbor says he has lots of problems with his cobra. He bought it back in 2001 and its already been recalled three times already. Somthing about a default with piston number six. Anyways the pics of that engine that had the 8 second quarter didnt quite look like a dohc. Ofcorse it was very heavely modified. Maybe im just used to looking at the stock dohc. But it looked a lot to me like a ohv configuration. But like i said before, it dosent matter to me which is faster. Both chevy and ford have had their very highs and their very lows. Right now is a low time for chevy. One of the many discraces chevy is doing is killing off the camaro. But this demise was started a long time ago. Along with the input of v6's in the monte carlo and the impala. You ford boys had you low times back in the seventies. Remember the ford mavrick, and the ever popular pinto? But eihter way, both companies will have a rebound on what the other can dish out. Chevy just appeals more to me than ford does. Im sure its vise versa in your case. You say the 4.6 is a better engine, that is your opinion. I wont fight you on it. But i tell you this, I dont see any 4.6's breaking world records like the lt1 did. I dont care if you were referring to the ls1. You said name a fast 5.7 I did that and you tried to change the subject. Next time stick to what you say.
     
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    you cant compare this with any camaro, there are no 2003s.
     
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    Quote from chevybeast
    -----"I say the 4.6 is crappy because my next dore neighbor says he has lots of problems with his cobra. He bought it back in 2001 and its already been recalled three times already. Somthing about a default with piston number six."

    Never heard of that problem or recall. Sure it wasn’t a 99? What has he done to the car? Anyway every car has there problems, cobra’s in general are very reliable. I don’t think that one isolated problem is enough to write-off the whole 4.6 as ‘crappy’. And if you think that Ford has their problems you should really not talk because the camaro isn't this ultra-perfect problem free machine. Consumer reports ranks the mustang higher than the camaro. I've heard and seen the horror stories from chevy too, the transmission that broke from one misshift, the glass rearend etc. If you somehow misconstrue a Ford recall into thinking the Cobra is unreliable then you are quite wrong.

    Quote from chevybeast
    -----"Anyways the pics of that engine that had the 8 second quarter didnt quite look like a dohc. Ofcorse it was very heavely modified. Maybe im just used to looking at the stock dohc. But it looked a lot to me like a ohv configuration. But like i said before, it dosent matter to me which is faster."

    D-E-N-I-A-L.

    Quote from chevybeast
    -----"But i tell you this, I dont see any 4.6's breaking world records like the lt1 did. I dont care if you were referring to the ls1. You said name a fast 5.7 I did that and you tried to change the subject. Next time stick to what you say."

    Chevybeast, do yourself a favor and look all the way up on page 2. Notice, and I said, “show me the fastest lS1”. Moron. Now if you knew anything about the 4.6 they’re breaking all types of records in tons of different classes. As far as the LT1, comparing that should be compared to a Ford 20+ year old engine (ie the 5.0). The LS1 and 4.6 are both relatively new engines that are in the newest camaro/mustang. THAT is why I compare them.

    Quote from chevybeast
    -----"You say the 4.6 is a better engine, that is your opinion"

    Again don’t put words in my mouth. I never said that the 4.6 is the better engine. I don’t think there IS a better engine, they are different. I do, however, think that the Cobra is the better sportscar and the all-around better car though.
     
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    Hoseman its like a said before, both of our companies have problems here and there. I for one hate sitting in the backseat of the any f-body cause you feel like your on the damn floor. But i never cared too much for mustangs because up intil recntly they were no match for the camaro. But as both you and i know times change. I honestly thought you were askin for ANY 5.7 to compare with the 4.6 If i misunderstodd that is my mistake. The 8 second cobra's engine really does not look like a 90 degree dohc. Looks more like a 60 degree ohv. But thats just what it looks like to me. Not a fact, just an opinion. Because the article never said what kind of engine it was. Just pointed out some of the mods. Its true the ls1 and the 4.6 are different. Very true. After all the right kind of "small" engine can dish out plenty of hp. Look at the ferrari v12s. As i have metioned before, ford is more engine oriented, and chevy is more campaign oriented. You all get the tech engines and we get the crummy commercials. Few exceptions here and there but basicly thats how it is. My neigbor says his cobra is a 2001. He says like you did that the 99's had lots of problems too. He showed me the letters and the receipts from when he took it to the shop but since i dont have a scanner i cant prove it. I like both the camaro and the mustang. The camaro for looks and power, and the mustang for presteige and history. Its a shame chevy wont have a ponycar contender for the next few years but thats life. I just hope the gto will fill the viod intil the camaro comes back. But im sure that ford will have somthing else to counteract it.
     
  10. #35 Heyman, Aug 25, 2002
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    Does it look much different from the 2003 cobra pic? I don't see what you see, but I can assure you that that cobra has a 4.6 4v, 4 cam, modular ford v8.

    As far as the recall I couldn’t find it on ford or http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ which has the records for all the recalls or on any of the mustang sites I go to. I’ve never heard of that problem which doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, but I'm wlling to bet it's pretty isolated.

    It's hard to be a GM fan right now. The GTO is nothing to get excited for, in my opinion its an overweight boring family sedan with the LS1. The 03 Cobra will handle it easily and the next gen of mustangs should too. Hopefully GM will bring back the camaro/firebird to their glory for some competition or gives the GTO some attention. It's kinda lonely at the top. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>.
     
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  12. #37 Heyman, Aug 26, 2002
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    Does it look much different from the 2003 cobra pic? I don't see what you see, but I can assure you that that cobra has a 4.6 4v, 4 cam, modular ford v8.

    As far as the recall I couldn’t find it on ford or http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ which has the records for all the recalls or on any of the mustang sites I go to. I’ve never heard of that problem which doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, but I'm wlling to bet it's pretty isolated.

    It's hard to be a GM fan right now. The GTO is nothing to get excited for, in my opinion its an overweight boring family sedan with the LS1. The 03 Cobra will handle it easily and the next gen of mustangs should too. Hopefully GM will bring back the camaro/firebird to their glory for some competition or gives the GTO some attention. It's kinda lonely at the top. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>.
     
  13. #38 Heyman, Aug 26, 2002
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    Does it look much different from the 2003 cobra pic? I don't see what you see, but I can assure you that that cobra has a 4.6 4v, 4 cam, modular ford v8.

    As far as the recall I couldn’t find it on ford or http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/ which has the records for all the recalls or on any of the mustang sites I go to. I’ve never heard of that problem which doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, but I'm wlling to bet it's pretty isolated.

    It's hard to be a GM fan right now. The GTO is nothing to get excited for, in my opinion its an overweight boring family sedan with the LS1. The 03 Cobra will handle it easily and the next gen of mustangs should too. Hopefully GM will bring back the camaro/firebird to their glory for some competition or gives the GTO some attention. It's kinda lonely at the top. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>.
     
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    I agree. The GTO is nice for what it is. But what it is NOT, is an F-body replacement. I not only want to see GM do more (like bring back the pony), but I want to see dodge do more as well. Dodge has the Viper and not much else. There's really no great performer for a reasonable price.
     
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    Dodge is the worst. Before the viper they had nothing. Whatever happened to the rumors of the return of the charger/challenger? And did that concept, the razor, that too isn't going to see production either I think. Chevy has alot of work to do, but dodge hasn't had an affordable sports/pony/muscle car since the early 70s! Ouch.
     
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    Yeah, it seems that the car makers look at the bottom line first and foremost. In my opinion it would help them financially if the decision makers were also car FANS. Can you emagine the publicity Dodge would get if they came out with a modern day Hemi? Even if it's only vaguely similar to the original Hemi, just emagine the all new 2003 Hemi Cuda! The public would eat it up and the press alone would provide free marketing. All of this would draw attention to Dodge as a company.

    From my experience with business (in a totally different industry), executive level managers read too many charts and polls, and they don't see the fine details. If I were CEO of car maker X I would actually read through sites like this one to REALLY get into the hearts and minds of the target buyers.

    I'm a total American car fan and I'm glad Ford is picking up the slack for the time being. BTW, they still need to get rid of the 4.6 SOHC <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    I think the 4.6 SOHC fits perfectly in Fords lineup. It's supposed to be a great base to work with at a very reasonable price. Low $20,000s for the 4.6 Sohc GT with 260hp/300tq. Mid-high $20,000s the Mach 1 Dohc with 340/340. Low $30,000s the Dohc Cobra with a conservative 390/390. For 2004-5, the GT will be a Sohc with 5.0L displacement and the Cobra a Dohc 5.0L too with maybe a boss 331 or another mach1 thrown in there. And there always the upcoming GT40...<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>. Ford is improving a product that for now doesn't have any direct competition. I think they're doing all right. And for its price, there is nothing that will beat it, for people who cannot afford a corvette. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>.
     
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    Do you ever wonder if car makers have always been able to offer ultra-high performance at a reasonable price? I'm thinking it may be an unspoken rule that if the car does 12s and handles like it's on rails, they HAVE to charge huge prices. Like everyone in the oil industry agreeing not to under-cut prices so EVERYONE can make money.
    Maybe my conspiracy theory is way out there, but from the Corvette Z06 to the 03 Cobra it just seems like some rules have been broken.

    I hate to admit this but I hope the imports don't follow suite. I'm partial to American cars, and for the time being we have them beat. At least in the US market we do. The one difficult thing Japanese car makers have to overcome is their reluctance to grow some balls and USE DISPLACEMENT. It seems that their motto is, "create as much performance with a little displacement as possible." The US motto is, "create as much performance for a little cost as possible"

    Import fans seem to be brainwashed to think Ford, GM and Dodge are taking the "easy" road. I would love to see Honda try to make a 500 horsepower, 505 cubic inch engine that doesn't require a gas guzzler tax and is smog legal in all 50 states. If it's so easy, what happened to performance cars in the late 70s and 80s?
     
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    Do you ever wonder if car makers have always been able to offer ultra-high performance at a reasonable price? I'm thinking it may be an unspoken rule that if the car does 12s and handles like it's on rails, they HAVE to charge huge prices. Like everyone in the oil industry agreeing not to under-cut prices so EVERYONE can make money.
    Maybe my conspiracy theory is way out there, but from the Corvette Z06 to the 03 Cobra it just seems like some rules have been broken.

    I hate to admit this but I hope the imports don't follow suite. I'm partial to American cars, and for the time being we have them beat. At least in the US market we do. The one difficult thing Japanese car makers have to overcome is their reluctance to grow some balls and USE DISPLACEMENT. It seems that their motto is, "create as much performance with a little displacement as possible." The US motto is, "create as much performance for a little cost as possible"

    Import fans seem to be brainwashed to think Ford, GM and Dodge are taking the "easy" road. I would love to see Honda try to make a 500 horsepower, 505 cubic inch engine that doesn't require a gas guzzler tax and is smog legal in all 50 states. If it's so easy, what happened to performance cars in the late 70s and 80s?
     
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    Frankly imports can NOT compete until they grow some balls and start to use displacement. Porsche and Honda can make some decent power numbers with their small displacement 4s and 6s even ferrari's small v8s, but it costs you [too much]. You can't buy a Merc or bmw v8 for less than 40,000 and japanese companies don't offer v8s in anything but trucks. I would much rather have a faster and less expensive car with a lower hp/liter. So I buy American.
     
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    Very true Hoseman. Plus I'm so sick of the hp/liter bullshit! That's all the R!CERS have on us and it means dick anyway. Most meaning 99.999999% of imported cars have high end horsepower, but you cant get it unless your hitting 5 to 6,000 rpms! Solution? Turbo's! about 10,000 dollars worth of shit just to get a fwd 4cylinder to run mid 13's! When are R!cers going to realize that they're wasting their time and money? By the way fellas I just bought new exhaust for my SS and it sounds BAD-ASS! <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A> I'm re-doing my website and I'll put a video of it soon so you can see it!
     
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    Nice. I think mine will sound pretty good too, when my new cams/headers/x-pipe go in. .
     
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    Nice. I think mine will sound pretty good too, when my new cams/headers/x-pipe go in. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>.
     
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    I think right now the fastest LS1 Camaro runs a 9.2 or 9.1 with excessive spinning.
     

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