This vs Ferrari Enzo

Discussion in '2000 Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT' started by Bluey, Oct 27, 2002.

  1. Re: This vs Ferrari Enzo

    I think Ferrari said they weren't going to release the Enzo to ANY real performance testing. As for the Dauer, I think there was a test performed on Nurburgring, but even Ajzahn doesn't have a link to it on the net. I do believe it exists though.
     
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    Actually, MOTORTREND was able to do a FIRST DRIVE road test in the november 2002 issue. they estimate a 0-60 time of 3.5seconds and a top speed over 220. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    Yeah, but no real performance testing, so we'll be stuck with estimates for a long time.
     
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    shit is that what the stats are...Jess nearly forgot!
     
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    Your'e such a bogan youve probably never heard a number that big you loser.
     
  6. Re: This vs Ferrari Enzo

    you're totally wrong. i wouldn't even pay $600,000 "US dollars" for it.
     
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    okay you retards. lets say i get a station wagon and give it a v-12 with quad turbo chargers, the station wagon has 1500 hp it does the quarter mile in 7 seconds. its faster than the viper, so now all of a sudden its better? And you retards sayin that the viper is based off the gts-r, WRONG the gts-r is based of the viper and is made better. and the stupid viper gts-r did not win the freakin le mans, cars like the 787b win that, if any of you have even heard of it. dont get me wrong i like the viper and the enzo hence the name viperman, but the enzo being slightly slower on the dragstip WILL win against the viper on the track.
     
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    "lets say i get a station wagon and give it a v-12 with quad turbo chargers, the station wagon has 1500 hp it does the quarter mile in 7 seconds. its faster than the viper, so now all of a sudden its better? "

    Well, if you did that, then the station wagon would probably be a drag car (considering it has that engine, and running a 7 in the 1/4)
    But it would be stupid to say that any drag car is better.


    "And you retards sayin that the viper is based off the gts-r, WRONG the gts-r is based of the viper and is made better. and the stupid viper gts-r did not win the freakin le mans, cars like the 787b win that"

    i don't think anyone has said that, because of course the gtsr is based on the GTS.
    also, the viper does win LeMans, in it's class. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    can any 1 tell me what a "bogan" is...?
     
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    well, he also called you a loser, so it probably means something like that. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    ohh well i can live with that...i'm use to names like:
    Red nut
    Freak
    Bean Stalk
    Loser
    Dumb Ass
    ...the list goes on...
     
  12. Re: This vs Ferrari Enzo

    Silly question. 2 very good cars, 1 is clearly superior.
     
  13. Re: This vs Ferrari Enzo

    Well, look at the stats. I would say given the estimated times for the enzo, that the 800TT would win at a drag strip (even on street tires, considering it did 3.21 to 60 on them, faster than the enzo)

    Now as for a race around the track, well keep this in mind:
    Both cars pretty much have the same power to weight ratio, the enzo gets 4.2lbs/hp and the 800TT gets 4.14lbs/hp.

    Now, i've posted this in other threads, but no one payed attention to it. Its a comparison of a viper and ferrari from:

    MOTORTRENDS' High Speed Gamble:

    Skidpad:
    Dodge Viper GTS 1.01 g
    Ferrari F355 1.01 g

    Slalom:
    Dodge Viper GTS 73.6
    Ferrari F355 72.1

    60-0 Braking: (well the viper didn't have ABS)
    Ferrari F355 114
    Dodge Viper GTS 129


    Road Course(sec.)
    Dodge Viper GTS 39.4
    Ferarri F355 39.5


    As you can tell, both cars were almost the same when it came to skidpad, slalom, and.....braking(maybe!)

    But when these numbers transfered over to the track, the cars were almost the same again.
    SO, would it be safe to say that because these two cars are better then the cars compared (both of them being far superior, i mean it's basically the best viper (800TT), and the best ferrari(enzo)) would the track times be very close?? or not?? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    I would have to say enzo for the track, simply for amazing braking and lighter weight.
     
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    Remember that the enzo gets 4.2lbs/hp ad the 800 gets 4.14lbs/hp, so both cars almost have the same power/weight ratio (meaning, of course that the while the enzo wheighs less, it's compensated by the 800tt's horsepower gain, 173hp)

    as for braking, well the 800tt can stop from 60 in 110feet. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    It's more than just power/weight. Cornering, Tire wear, braking, brake fade (and actually many other things) are all affected by weight, and it may very well be one of the most important factors in a race car.

    My opinion still stands: Enzo for the track and Viper for drag (while keeping in mind the viper is an excellent track racer as well).
     
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    well, the 800tt does come with Brembro Vented & Sloted Discs, so i don't think braking would be a problem. Also the vipers can corner (just look at thier slalom times). But i am aware of the factors for a race car.

    "My opinion still stands: Enzo for the track and Viper for drag (while keeping in mind the viper is an excellent track racer as well). "


    And my opinion stands: that it would be a close race between the two, definitely keeping in mind that the viper is a excellent track performer. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  18. Re: This vs Ferrari Enzo

    I have seen a full race prepared Viper in action and it was quick. It all depends on the track. The Enzo would win on a short bendy track and the Viper would win on an oval or at least a track with a few long straights. Don`t forget that the Viper has been modified!! Spend the same amount on modifying the Enzo with slicks, race tuned suspension and a racing class engine management computer and it`s a clear winner!
     
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    The brakes were 25 000 miles old and had been put through a lot of testing. Too bad Ferrari probably won't let it out for any real performance testing anytime soon.
     
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    "Spend the same amount on modifying the Enzo with slicks, race tuned suspension and a racing class engine management computer "

    umm... the enzo has all of that stuff, (but no slicks) besides, it wouldn't need slicks, and neither would the 800tt (considering the 800tt #'s on street tires are faster than the enzo's) <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    well 1 reason why i don't lkike the Enzo is that it can't get registed in australia...but this car!
     
  22. Re: This vs Ferrari Enzo

    You people that always compare a Drag Racer to a true performance car need to quit. Im not saying the viper is a bad car, cuz i would love to have 0-60 in 2.4 sec. But you also have to think, the Enzo isnt meant to set 0-60 records, its meant to have awesome handling and overall power. The Enzo is refined, it gets 110 hp/litre normally aspirated, on the other hand the viper only gets 100 hp/litre out of a twin turbo engine and it wont even pull .85 G laterall accell.(the viper is meant for straight line racing) These are 2 totally different cars, you cant truly tell which one is better because each one is meant for totally different purposes.
     
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    And for you people who say the Vipers are drag cars, need to quit.

    The vipers, including this one are also great on tracks to:

    MOTORTREND HIGH SPEED SHOOT-OUT:

    Road Course(sec.) Dodge Viper GTS 39.4
    Ferarri F355 39.5
    Porsche 911 Turbo 40.2
    Toyota Supra Turbo 41.3
    Acura NSX-T 41.5
    Chevrolet Corvette 41.7
    Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 42.3

    Also, WHERE THE HEAK DO YOU GET THE# .85 ON THE SKIDPAD??????
    maybe on a wet surface, but the viper on the pad can get 1.01gs, and do 73.6mph slaloms (stock GTS) and this car can get 1.04 and 75.1.

    Also, the 800TT may only get 100hp/liter, but its' doing so with a stock beneath the heads engine (488ci) and with it's turbos running at a low mild 6psi. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    yeah............
    But i don't really think hp/liter matters to American cars.
    European cars are limited to the amount of liters an engine can have for insurance, so the manufacturers make the most amount of HP out of a small engine.
    American car manufacturers don't have that problem, they've never been in a situation that required them to do what european manufacturers have to do. Thus, they stick with thier power proven meathods they did in the 60's and 70's muscle car era, 'bigger is better'. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  25. Re: This vs Ferrari Enzo

    This car is bad.... i was looking at a supra forum and they were talking about good matches for the supra veilside and one of them was this car. which car do you think would win
     

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