This vs Jap cars like...AB-flug Supra & Veilside Supra, ect.

Discussion in '2000 Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT' started by Bluey, Sep 12, 2002.

  1. Re: This vs Jap cars like...AB-flug Supra & Veilside Supra, ect.

    Your book is wrong, dumbass. The Viper SRT-10 is faster and handles better than the Porsche GT2. It's only things that are lesser are the top speed and 0-100 MPH acceleration. The SRT-10 Viper is better by everything else.
     
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    Just doing my job, defending good cars.
     
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    (like my sig. suggest, all i do is try to defend this car)

    well, you sure did a hell of a job (responding to everyone like that)
    but to simply put it, and get the point across that the viper can handle, i just post these:


    MOTORTREND HIGH SPEED GAMBLE:

    Road Course(sec.):
    Dodge Viper GTS 39.4
    Ferarri F355 39.5
    Porsche 911 Turbo 40.2
    Toyota Supra Turbo 41.3
    Acura NSX-T 41.5
    Chevrolet Corvette 41.7
    Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 42.3

    Now, this thread is about vipers vs. jap cars, and here, the viper beats jap cars such as: supra, nsx, and 3000gt. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    Sadly... No. The GT2 currently is only 2 seconds behind the Zonda (which holds the record) at Nurburgring, and the Viper is nowhere to be seen. I think the Viper is better classed with the 911 turbo.
     
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    the viper is a strait line car and when being designed it was made to achieve the best accleration as possible but it does indeed hadle great and about Nurburgring lol id love to c what would happen to the Zonda #'s if the TT ran there lol a stock GTS does pretty good but the TT at Nurburgring would really b something to see.
     
  6. Re: This vs Jap cars like...AB-flug Supra & Veilside Supra, ect.

    i think ShadowAngelOfGod77 owns this thread!
     
  7. Re: This vs Jap cars like...AB-flug Supra & Veilside Supra, ect.

    I would perfer a Blitz Sktline.
     
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    so would a lot of ppl too bad its so hard to keep those cars streetable in the western world but then again u take a viper that far it will make 1700-1800hp but it will have same kind of trouble tryin to b street legal they arent that bad in japan tho u have more freedom so to say
     
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    ok, why do you say the viper is a straight line car, then say it handels great?

    Come on, in a couple posts above yours i posted track times for this car, and it beat every other car in the comparison.

    Point: THE VIPER IS NOT A STRAIGHT LINE CAR <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    well keep in mind, at SVS they're making a 1700hp viper:


    "Coming soon the unvailing of the Stryker TT RS (Twin Turbo Rocket Sled) 1700 Hp Twin Turbo V-10. In the pursuit of making the Dodge Viper the Fastest Production Vehicle on the Planet!"

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    its not production till its mass produced by dodge untill that happens its still a tuner car and also the viper is a strait line car cuz it was designed for strait line performance. It does have excellent hangling and its Gt racing success and victory in its class at lemans is great proof that it handles great but that doesnt change the fact that it was designed for strait line performance in mind and a strait line car is a car that performs great in a strait line it doesnt HAVE TO perform bad on a track.
    The Viper is indeed a trubute to the great mopars of the past and thanx to mordren advancements like abs, power assist steering, tires have gone a long way all these things have helped make it a drag car with hangling like a car built for GT racing c'mon every 1 knows the Vette is a sports car, the Viper is a muscle car thats just how it is. I love the viper and all the mopars from the past that it brings to mind but u have to admit the GenI cars are excellent on a strip but are quite difficult to to drive on a track in factory-spec. It has become easier to drive in the last couple years and is gettin better but 60 in 3.9 and 1/4 mile in 12.1 stock id say is a strait line car with track manners.
     
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    look, the viper wasn't entirely made to be only a straight line car. (i hate it when people say that)

    The viper was made to be a "cobra for the 90s" and as everyone who knows shelby cobras knows, the cobras were made for HANDLING around tracks, and what carrol shelby did worked, dominating race tracks.

    With that in mind, now we have (and have had) viper gtsr's, which have also dominated the FIA GT classes, and have been at LeMans and had class victories (4 years in a row)

    Yes, the dodge viper is known for being a straight line car, because of performance, but it would be restricting to say it only has just track manners (JUST LOOK AT THE TRACK #'S I'VE POSTED A COUPLE TIMES)

    the viper was not made to be a drag car, but a sports car, and in doing so, dodge made one that could accelerate like hell, and have the same kind of In-your-porsche, ferrari, lambo, supra, skyline, face handling to go with it.
     
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    Supra FLUG.
     
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    The viper is a muscle car for the 90s it just handles good for a muscle car note* i did not saying it cant handle it is great on a track but every one knows the vette is the only real american sports car being made as a production car(saleen s7 designed in europe, callaway C12 is a vette) the corvette was never really a musscle car the viper is not a sprots car and the guys that made it do not like when people call it a sports car its a muscle car that handles good and anyone who has driven the gen I and even the early gen IIs kno they are not the easiest cars to drive if yoru not goin in a stait line but they have gotten a lot better in the last couple years and i would like to c what an SRT-10 drives like i havent had the opportunity yet but no the viper is not a sports car it is absolutely wrong to call it a sports car the only true sports cars are what have now become known as supercars ie. lambo, ferrari, lotus, aston, jag, vette and so on the viper is a muscle car.

    If u study the viper's design and there have been lots of books written about it u will c that Dodge could have made sever changed in the vipers chasis to make it handle better. I am not saying that it is purely a drag car that cant make turns we kno thats not true but what i am saying is that dodge did make it with three things in mind accleration ,exterior design and handling...............they made accleration their first priority.

    The viper the only real muscle car still in production (camaro gone, t/a gone, vette never was, mustang has gone stray)


    its been years since i've heard someone call the viper a sports car and actually beleived it is.
     
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    Yes, i have books on the vipers (one souly on the original rt10, and another on the 3gens of vipers, so i've seen the concept pics. they had)

    And you're right, the viper isn't just a "sports car" but a supercar (that's why they're on this web site) <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    i think we can all agree to that...
     
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    indeed its beyond sports car with an 8.3 L engine (GEN III) its got potential to exceed well over 1500hp and it at a price 1/3 of most lambos it still puts up a good fight i really do think it would be unfair to call it a sports car but it is still a Muscle car and perhaps the last of its kind. And to those who think a muscle car/ supercar sounds odd it is actually not because back in the '70's and 80's when ppl used to run cars from the big block days they used to call them supercar cruses the concept of "supercars" goes way back to the muscle car days and much like the Viper itself.
     
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    Yes, and even at musclecarclub.com (go there) they have the viper and the vette on thier "50 fastest modern day muscle cars" (also F-bodies, mustang, 87 gnx, exc.....)

    And of course, the dodge viper GTS, is the fastest on that list, and even on the regular "50 fastest muscle car" list the cobra (which inspired the viper, hence "90s version cobra" is the fastest there.(with the vette in second place on both aswell) <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  19. Re: This vs Jap cars like...AB-flug Supra & Veilside Supra, ect.

    All Viper lovers own the thread.
     
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    agreed, <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    Based on the engine alone the Japanese cars kick the crap out of this car. With twin turbos the car should get at least 120 hp per liter if it wants to make any claims as a great car. Engineer is always one of the best marks as to how great a car is looking at it on paper. If you think that with that many liters it is too hard to get more than a 100 hp per liter than look at the McLaren F1's engine, it makes 627 hp with a 6.1 liter engine. That is just over 100 hp per liter from a car that is 10 years old, and NA. This is tubo charged. Now if you still think that it would beat a Skyline, then remember this there are already 1000+ hp Skylines driving around. Wait for the 1000tt, don't have to just need a Skyline or Supra. There are the 1000+ hp Supras out there aswell.

    Then there is the handling. While it may pull some insane number on the skid pad, that is not what handling is all about. If you were to make a Supra weigh the smae it would be in the same range on the skid pad. What realy determines if a car can handle or not comes down to response, feeling, and the ability to control over and understeer. The viper has none of those. Try hitting the accelarator in a turn with this car, and watch it spin for hours. There is a reason why car companies use traction control, and that is to limit the hp and torque the wheels recieve so that the car doesn't spin. When Viper's have a sytem that lets them use the 800 hp in a turn, and not spin then I will be impressed with this piece of engineer crap. Some times two much of a good thing is bad.
     
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    Also for the Speed 12 discussion:
    The Speed Twelve has never had a 0-60 run. The car has been driven only a hand full of times, and was not put into prodution because the owner of Tuscan felt the Speed 12 was to insane for the road. Not only that but the only time the engine has ever been put on a dyno(Rated 1000 hp) it broke the dyno's drive shaft at only 5700 rpm. So the only power numbers available are to combine the power ratings of the two in-line sixers, which means it makes 940 hp at 7200 rpm. All of that in a car that weighs just over a ton. That is 900+ hp a ton.
     
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    ok, well these turbo run at 6psi, and the engine by it self can make around 625hp which = 78hp/liter. But still like i've said, it's an american car. Unlike jap, and european cars that have restrictions on thier hp/lt. American cars don't have that problem, thus the engineers stick w/ thier muscle car performance ways of OHV engines and displacement.
    (btw, who cares if it gets good or bad hp/lt, it's american so it's really hp/lbs. for this car) <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>


    "Now if you still think that it would beat a Skyline, then remember this there are already 1000+ hp Skylines driving around. Wait for the 1000tt, don't have to just need a Skyline or Supra. There are the 1000+ hp Supras out there aswell. "

    Yeah, i'm sure there are skyline and supras that could beat this car, and have 1000hp.
    But think about what you're saying, a supra or skyline with 1000hp would be able to beat this, which is rated at 800hp, what's your point, a car with MORE hp, would be able to beat this car? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/tongue.gif"></A>


    "While it may pull some insane number on the skid pad"

    it also pulls other great #'s to:

    800tt:
    Skidpad: 1.06g
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 110 ft
    Slalom Speed: 75.1 mph


    "If you were to make a Supra weigh the smae it would be in the same range on the skid pad"

    not really, a supra turbo in this comparison weighed around what a viper weighs:

    MT, HIGH SPEED GAMBLE:

    Dodge Viper GTS 1.01 g
    Ferrari F355 1.01 g
    Porsche 911 Turbo 1.00 g
    Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 0.95 g
    Acura NSX-T 0.94 g
    Toyota Supra Turbo 0.94 g
    Chevrolet Corvette 0.93 g


    "The viper has none of those. Try hitting the accelarator in a turn with this car, and watch it spin for hours. "

    also from MT high speed gamble:

    Road Course(sec.)
    Dodge Viper GTS 39.4
    Ferarri F355 39.5
    Porsche 911 Turbo 40.2
    Toyota Supra Turbo 41.3
    Acura NSX-T 41.5
    Chevrolet Corvette 41.7
    Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 42.3

    You're going to tell me the viper can't handle? hmmmmm....the viper seems to have "response, feeling, and the ability to control over and understeer" here. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>


    "When Viper's have a sytem that lets them use the 800 hp in a turn, and not spin then I will be impressed with this piece of engineer crap."

    Pretty sure the 800 has that system (and you're gonna tell me that 1000hp supras and skylines don't have that)??

    Well, in your opinion vipers are crap, but they seem to beat 911's,F355's, NSX-T, SUPRAS, and 3000gt's

    Do yourself a favor and never respond here again. (where 90% of my posts are)

    (btw, the viper guys own this thread again) <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    Thank you for informing me that the 800 tt is only runing 6 psi. I did not know that. I am always up for new information on cars. I live for info on cars, but to say that i should do you a favor and never respond again is ridiculous. I am a huge fan of all cars. I do not dislike the viper, it is a great car. It is what american cars are, displacement over engineering. But when you ask what is a better car, you must look at the engineering of a car. The engineers that design cars spend countless hours working on the car's design. That should be taken in ot account in choosing if one car is better than another.

    For the handling:
    so what if it can go around a track quicker thatn other cars. Especially ones that have less power. If you are trying to say that the viper is a better handling car than a Ferrari 355 then great. But unless you have driven both of them and have formed that opinion based on that experience, then that is your opinion. But when the majority of the performance european magzines call the car slugish for handling, and when racecar drivers that have driven the car say the same, then i will tend to believe them more thatn some numbers on paper. This viper, i will assume, has uprated suspension on it. So lets say we give a Supra uprated suspension. With the right tuning and weight reduction 1g is possible for it.
     

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