TRANS AM MAN ---> THIS IS AWESOME!

Discussion in '2001 Honda NSX-R Concept' started by IvanKaramazov, Aug 9, 2002.

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    I love reading european car reviews, where they TRULLY evaluate all cars. They tear up Camaros, and Mustangs, and Trans Ams. They don't understand why anybody would buy such ugly, and poorly built car.

    But IN ORDER TO HAVE A GOOD CAR, YOU MUST HAVE A BAD CAR FIRST, like the three I mentioned above.

    Put some technology into these pieces of shit, for once.<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. #27 BigWillman, Aug 9, 2002
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    BIGVTEC, i got a link for you if you haven't seen this already...

    http://www.phy.duke.edu/~hartley/iroc/z28vs911.html

    it's nice to know that dumbasses like you are still out there, it makes me feel good to know that soon people like me will be taking your jobs, making more money, all that. put some technology into the cars? you know, the push-rod engines in the vettes, camaros, and trans-ams are leading the pack in performance and they are considered low tech...funny how that works. you guys rice out your little jap cars and still get beat by cheaper domestics. i see it every time i go to the street races. everyone laughes at you civics and preludes when you try to pull up next to the monstrous sounds of a V8 in an F-body. and then they laugh harder when the F-body's hazards come on about a quarter mile down the road. i actually like the NSX. i think it's a sweet looking car, but there is NO way i'm paying that much for a car that slow. think again before speaking, it's a good thing to practice.
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    yer TRANS AM smoked a MCL? HmMmM yea and i'm bill gates
     
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    All that's left to say is you buy your 300+hp muscle car and I hope you've got money for gas left after those races. I'll keep my little 200hp rice rocket with everything your muscle car has and then some and to think... it won't swallow half my paycheck to fuel it... you should move to my neighborhood. Then you can stand outside and listen to the annoyingly loud camaro my neighbors have rev up like they're racers every time they're leaving. I've never seen a bigger group of #%$s in my life... and geez... that's unfair, stock 911 vs a packaged SS and Firehawk... how about we try those two against the Millenium edition of the Diablo... I'll take my nicer cut Euros and Japs over the boat shaped muscle head cars...<!-- Signature -->
     
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    hahaha, that's really nice of you to say that we should compare the SS and the Firehawk to cars like the Diablo, a car that is so expensive, i could buy an SS and a Firehawk in every color available for the amount that car goes for. and your shitty ricer has nothing on the camaro or the trans am. i've seen SO many stupid ricers try to race f-bodies at the street races all the time and they lose and somehow they still can't figure out why...maybe my signature will speak for itself huh?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    oh and ps, the camaro is 18 mpg in the city, 28 on the highway. and by the time your turbo riced-out fart-canned jap car actually tries to come close to my f-body, i'll prolly be getting better gas mileage by then anyway. and you should count yourself blessed to hear the roar of an American V8! God bless!<!-- Signature -->
     
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    hmm..prelude 4 cylinders. 0-60 in 6.7. Z-28 8 cylinders. 0-60 in 5.7.
    i'm sorry, yes the z-28 obviously has more power given the 4 extra cylinders, but please give credit to the great work honda has done. they deserve to be acknowledged for the amazing performance they get out of such a small engine. last time i checked american 4 cylinders sucked terribly. go put ur V-6 camaros against a 4 cylinder prelude and see what happens. and no replacement for displacement huh. bullshit. whoever first said that is an idiot. my example, the Camaro Z28. 310 HP, nice. 0-60 in 5.7, decent.V8 350 ci. thats fairly big and dont get me wrong, i love that engine. now Ferrari steps into the picture..i am not comparing the cars because this is a Ferrari and no Camaro compares with a Ferrari. the Ferrari 360 Modena. 400 hp, awesome. 0-60 in 4.5. great.V8 218 ci. thats a small V8 and they get that much power? who says technology isnt everything? go and educate yourself. my next model. Houston had a little shop in the mid '90s that had a project. they called them Monster Miatas. take the 302 out of a 5.0 mustang wich does 0-60 in 6.2 and put it in a mazda miata. the after effects had the miata doing 0-60 in 4.4. my work here is done. enough said. American cars are UNREFINED. but i do love them because they are fun.

    btw, ford fans can suck it. did u know the 302 was originally designed for GM's?? look at 1st gen Z28's.
     
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    ok, lets talk about some facts here...why is the phrase "no replacement for displacement" true? for many many obivious, but lets just stick to this arguement about the ferrari and i'm not saying the camaro is a better car than the ferrari, i'm just proving my displacement (which by the way i'm sure ferrari engineers agree with). Ferrari motors are done, there is nothing more that you can do to them, they are built by the engineers to be perfect with the highest performance possible in the engine. Chevy on the other hand takes a big block of motor, puts some really good shit on, but leaves lots of room for improvement and it's easy to improve on it because there is lots of displacement. thus proving my point. of course camaro engines are unrefined, they are supposed to be. it's a LOW TECH, push-rod V8 but you can do awesome things with it. thats why alot of ricers use like a 2.2L instead of a 1.6L or whatever, thats why nascar uses a 383 as opposed to a 327 or something like that, that's why dragracers use 502s, not little tiny 4 banger motors...that would be retarded...because there is NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT! you will NEVER have a 2.2L 4 banger run up against a NHRA funny car...why? NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT. and when you argue about how it's such a bigger engine? that's my point exactly! my V8 is ALWAYS going to have more power potential than any 4 cylinder out there...why? you all know the answer...NO REPLACEMENT (say it with me now) FOR DISPLACEMENT. so who needs the education here?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    My, god man you lie out of your ass! Like hell your IROC could tkae a McClaren, and anyway, where in the hell did a McClaren just happen to come from? Don't tell us it was just at a stop light, my god if your gonna lie, at least do the rest of us a favor and not insult us with a ball faced lie like that, come up with something marginaly belevible<!-- Signature -->
     
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    u do bring up some good points. but u became side tracked. in my argument i used a V8, not an I-4. and also, u didnt seem to notice my comment about the miata. anyways, what do Nascars use? 387, drag racers? 502. well in this forum i believe that many people say the american cars have no handling, which is wrong, but that brings me to my next point. nascars go in circles...straight and then a huge turn. yes they can turn but they arent very good at it. they are made for going straight and fast. what size engine do Formula 1's use? ohh u know the answer. it's a 4 banger! and a F1 would take a Nascar anyday..even on the oval. dont get me wrong, i like it when i can make an engine more powerful than it already is. displacement is nice. but it isnt the only option that works.
     
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    Torn18Si,

    Formula 1 car has a NA 3.0 liter V10. It makes over 800 hp despite its relative small displacement by revving up to about 18000 rpm. Power of an engine is itŽs torque times the rpm. Torque of an NA engine (@ specific rpm) is based on itŽs displacement and efficiency to take air in and push air out (thatŽs why you change to more efficient intake / exhaust manifolds and camshafts), and itŽs efficiency to burn fuel (fuel injection methods). You can increase engineŽs efficiency only to a certain limit (modern engines are very close to that limit already).

    To make engine rev higher, you simply have to use stronger materials to withstand the growing forces in the engine if you want it to hold out like the lower rpm engine. You also need a more complicated valvetrain, as you have to adjust the camshaft timing to get decent torque over itŽs wider rpm range.

    In short, if you want to make a specific amount of power, with a bigger displacement you can make a simpler and more reliable engine.
     
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    Do all Americans race their cars in straight lines?!?! A large percentage of race tracks, in fact all of them except drag strips etc. have things called corners. Try and chuck 2 ton of american v8 power into that corner and watch the NSX pass you.
     
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    U all make good points, but Ferrari engines are far from there full potential when they leave the factory, like all engines. It would take a lot off fun out of things if they were perfect. There is always room for improvement. I think the new nsx would kick some serious butt including stock ferrari's (I dont like that but its a fact) and I'm pretty sure it can take an IROC.

    PS: Americans are fast to think there car is fast but its just your speedlimits that suck <IMG SRC="http://www.supercarforums.com/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> High speed chase @ 110 mph, pffff the cops here would'nt even chase me for that! (no offence <IMG SRC="http://www.supercarforums.com/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> )

    Keep on rollin' & maybe I'll smoke U some day. Peace.
     
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    ok, you wanna talk races? how about that race thing i talk about all the time...what was that...oh yeah, LE MANNS! there are a SHIT load of turns in the Le Manns races...and who won the GTS class overall? that would be an AMERICAN V8! and what is it in? the CORVETTE C5R. and the engines and nascar and NHRA have nothing to do with there turning ability...those were just examples...and Formula 1 using 4 bangers? is this the formula 1 go-cart races down the street from your house or something? and ferrari engines are really really close to perfect, you know they tried to turbo one and it became SLOWER...you people have to understand (much like BEARING does) how these things called engines work...better yet, cars in general. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    fock...i know i have seen an F1 somewhere with an I-4. i am stumped. either way...this example does work for me. the engine is only 3 liters and is much more efficient than any 350, or 454. i think american car lovers lose sight of what a real quality car is sometimes. i'm sorry, i love american cars as well...but the quality is no where near that of hondas and toyotas. and displacement is not everything. 3.8 liter V6 in a bottom line mustang, they are slow as crap. any stock civic is just as fast or faster...v6 stangs are like a civic Dx. change the gears up and u can make it much more efficient with alittle more speed. displacement is not everything.
     
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    At least Dome in kindda Jap.
     
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    hey bigwilliam, werent the only cars IN the GTS class of american design? corvette, viper, and the callaway i think. cant remember.
     
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    america didnt even have a car to compete in the highest end of the le mans. america had nothing to run against the toyota GT1 race car, or mazda's 787B
     
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    I understand the basics behind engine operation, but I am not yet familiar with all aspects of engine design. Maybe once I finish my BEng in Automotive Engineering I will be able to put over my argument a bit better. I am familiar with the LE MANS race having been four times and I do know the history or the C5R. I do not dispute the fact that it is a class winner but I wasnt referring to all out racing cars. The car featured in this forum is not a race car. The technology behind it may be derived from race cars but it is a street car. I really enjoy listening to Americans slagging off Japanese cars or ricers as you like to put it just because the Japanese took the original concepts of GM and Ford and made them a lot better. The video Taking over Detroit is quite an informative one, maybe you should watch it some time.
     
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    WHOA! there is one of those miatas around here. i live in middle TN, but i always see this older body style miata with a 5.0 insignia on the back. that is the only mod it has, but i always wondered. i saw it at a car show, but i didnt go over to it. pretty cool. i never knew that. i guess he got it from houston.
     
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    Let's get things straight. Some of y'all are typing and not thinking about what ur typing. U guys are comparing 1.6L to 3.8L+ engines. U are comparing 40 (or more) years of experience with 100 years of experience. Your comparing a little island with a high population density to the 4th or 5th largest (by size) country in the world. There is this non-stop fued of american cars and japanese cars. Personally I like Japanese cars, but that don't mean they are better. It don't matter what cars u back, it's all about making ur car different and better than the next man's car. People modify honda's to make them better than they are stock. People modify F-body (though I don't know what the hell that is) cars to make them better than they are stock.

    No doubt about it, Americans are better when it comes to making fast cars (drag racers). BUT their cars truly could be much better if the makers of the cars put more research and technology in their vehicles.

    I'll just use a wise phrase from my uncle, ANY ASS CAN DRIVE FAST!<!-- Signature -->
     
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    lol Trans Am.... lil anal rapist.... u never raced and smoked a McLaren lol lil prepubescent teenybopper who thinks hes all that... probably jus a 11 year old kid with big dreams
     
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    lets get one thing straight. americans are not betetr at making drag racers. there cars just have bigger engines. japanese cars would rape american cars if they had V8's.
     
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    Lets get this even straighter, Japanese don't build V-8's because they are better at making small HO engines. Most all American racing is drag, we have absolutely superior drag history and inovation. If Japs were that good at making drag cars explain to me how I made an American car that runs mid-10's for $5,000, while people with those small light imports spend much, much more to get those numbers? Not bashing imports or anything, but let there be no question that they are not very good at making drag cars.
     
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    you made the car run 10's for 5000 including the price of the car, or just the mods? just wondering. (if so, kick ass!) yes and running 10's is wonderful, if you live in deserts in Arizona. here in TN, few roads are straight and flat. running 10's only guarantees that you will have to wait the longest once you get to the next red-light. not to mention, that if you spend that much on a car and mods, then it will soon become very unreliable and good only for drag racing. i can get into the high 11's on slicks, and total, i probably have only spend 10k on my car, mods included. AND, i would trust my car if i had to drive it to Alaska. speed, tossability and handling, and reliablity are all important factors. i am willing to lose a second and a half in the quarter if my car will last (and steer).
     

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