TVR speed 12 vs. Dauer 962 LM

Discussion in '1994 Dauer 962 Le Mans' started by DodgeMS-4, Jan 6, 2006.

  1. "Dude face it, your just a fanboy who refuses to look at the facts."

    What facts are these facts you speak of? Are you referring to the few links you recently posted which proved nothing at all? Or are you referring to you're recent post where you considered the estimated top speed to be a fact because someone said the word "fact"? Face it man you never had any proof, you never spent anytime looking for this proof, which I told you to look for and post here many many times, all you have done is consume bandwith on this forum becaus you were too lazy to do something.

    The mere idea of me having to respond to you and other members repeatedly to get you to show this "proof" which to date none of you have still provided. But it took a member who hasn't spoken up before on this topic to provide the proof (which I repeatedly asked you and others to find and post here but you failed to do so) shows me that you DivineRage are nothing more then a professional fanboy who loves to post factless, paragraphs and links which prove nothing.

    What I find extremely hilarious is that it has taken almost 1.5 years for someone to post proof of the veyron being able to reach its estimated topspeed, therefore meaning that proof did exist, and people like DivineRage, mpg, mt900s we're just too damn lazy to look for it, and would rather spend their time on this forum posting factless, pointless, bullshit.

    When if ever did you post any facts that did prove something? As I recall and as anyone who looks through this thread from the beginning of my posts I repeatedly asked you DivineRage to post this so called proof which you spoke of time after time. The mere fact that you couldn't post this proof because you were too damn lazy to search the internet for it proves that you are a fanboy in every meaning of the word, not only do you beleive in something which you yourself have no proof of, but you went to the lengths of not even trying to find this proof.

    Remember one of you last posts where you said for me to do the following? "Just do a ^$#%ing google research you dumbass..." Just think had you once read any of my responses to your senseless, unthoughtful, lame comments, and had you listened to what I said about finding this "proof" and then posting it here WE WOULDN'T BE AT THIS POINT NOW. But no you are too thick headed and too damn lazy to spend a few minutes searching the internet for this "proof" that you seemed to believe in. Funny how I at least read through ALL of your comments, yet you chose not to do the same on mine. When you feel like acting like a grown up (if you are) then do so, and you will find it takes more then factless, articles which prove nothing to make you're point.


    "Even the biggest 962 fanboy on this site (Azjahn) admitted that the Bugatti did 253mph and concluded the sentence with *FACT*."

    Once I again I see you are trying to shift the blame from yourself, so you won't be made to look like an ass. Azjahn is not a fanboy, he has spent way more time on these forums actually proving something, unlike you. You obviously don't seem to know what a fanboy is therefore I shall tell you. A fanboy is someone who beleives in something so greatly that when they are asked to provide evidence of what they beleive in not only do they not provide evidence but they respond by trying to change the subject and by attempting to verbally attacking someone. Hmmmm let's see who is a member on this forum who upon being asked for proof of something decided to not only not provide the proof (if he actually spent time looking for it, which he did not) but chose to verbally attack someone as an attempt to change the subject?

    Now if I recall DivineRage you recently posted the following comment in after a post where I asked you to provide this information.


    "Just do a ^$#%ing google research you dumbass...


    But i bet you still wont believe it because they havent caught it on video and got the tape signed by the president or something. Dude just face it, the Bugatti did beat the Dauer, period!"

    1. You didn't and havn't provided any proof.
    2. You tried to verbally attack me hoping that I would be as dumb as you and get involved in a dick measuring contest with you, because you know that you never had proof and you never tried to look for it.
    3. Don't even think about going back and editing your post which I have quoted above, as I and others have already seen it.



    It is relatively sad when a person like DivineRage wishes to start a flame war for something he beleives in but cannnot proivide proof of. Yet it took a person who I wasn't even talking to to provide this proof.
     
  2. "The Bugatti is quad-turboed (which means that they are physically smaller ,which means less inertia in the compressor blades, which means less lag...and there is more exhaust gas flowing through each one (2L per turbo in Veyron, 1.5L through each of the Dauers)."

    Yes, I know what quad turboed means, which you may have noticed had you attempted to read what I have posted in the past. When I feel like getting a crash course about turbochargers trust me it will not be from you. The reason the 16/4 was developed with 4 smaller turbo chargers (which I have spoke of many times before) was because Bugatti is too cheap and didn't want to spend the time and money building a engine which could handle the 4 turboochargers the engineers had originally planned to use on the car, instead the engineers found a cheaper way and chose to get 4 smaller turbochargers, which might I add do not even run at half of their maximum boost, if they did run at 3/4 or their full boost the engine, transmission and awd system wold not be able to handle that amount of pressure. Even if each of the turbochargers on the 16/4 are running at half their maximum pressure the Dauer (which will never happen because the 16/4 wasn't designed and cannot withstand that amount of pressue, which would result in the engine, transmission and awd systems failing) still doesn't have 2 times the boost. I suggest you actually find the boost which each car runs at before attempting to tell me. Oh btw dont bother posting the info on the race version of the Dauer like you tried to do before.


    "Also, you probably don't know much about the Bugatti engine, but the fact that it has 16 cylinders compared to 6 means that there is 4 times as many exhaust strokes per revolution as the Dauer, and considering that each twin set of banks shares two turboes between its eight cylinders, means that the boost drop-off caused by pressure changes (due to the lack of exhaust gas), which means that the turbo is more effectively spooled."

    As I recently spoke of when I choose to participate in a subject where lame fanboys like DivingeRage are posting information that isn't even true to the real information, I tend to read up and c ompletely understand the subject at hand. Therefore since the W16 engine was basically formed by putting 2 v8 banks at 90 degrees together apparently I seem to understand what a W16 engine is, what it can do and how it was made. In the future you may find that assuming what someone else knows isn't a good thing for you to do.



    "And i haven't even started on RPM, the Bugatti has peak torque at 2200rpm, while the Dauer has peak torque at at 5000RPM. While the Bugatti has 4000-5000rpm of useable torque, the Dauer has around about 2000rpm of useable torque...the reason...turbo lag...
    The Dauer doesen't produce any significant amount of torque at lower revs."

    Have you fully read up on the Dauer? If so then why do you continue to speak of the earlier group c version of the Dauer, and why not the street version which has 0 turbo lag?

    Actually the 16/4 has 922 ft lbs of torque at 2200-5500 rpm, then again torque on an awd or a 4wd car isn't a good thing, that might be why Bugatti is still having problems with the awd system going out, and the transmission failing (when you choose to be a tightass and not build a new transmission but instead "borrow" a transmission off of a earlier bugatti problems tend to arise).


    "The Dauer doesen't produce any significant amount of torque at lower revs."

    Yeah I bet that is why Dauer has won many races at Lemans, lmao. Then again on a Lemans car you need a nice amount of torque at lower rpm's so that you can get through the course faster. At least attempt to read about the Dauer before you choose to speak about it. Lemans cars have alot of torque at lower rpms then other cars do, if you have foud information proving otherwise then be my guest and post it here.



    "You may look at my name and think such things as "fanboy" "noob" etc.
    there is a difference between you and me...you are a self-proclaimed car guru, i designed the oil pump for the Veyron...no big deal..."

    Well damn you deigned a oil pump for a quad turbo piece of shit car. I guess the many cars I have built and rebuilt don't compare to that. Do you have any clue what goes into building a drift car? (one of the many kinds of cars I have built) Apparently you don't. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you but having to redesign suspensions, drivetrains, body panels and so on is a greater feat then making a oil pump. Why don't you try and put a 2jzgte into a 94 skyline and make the entire car work, not only having to rewire the complete car, but having to design and build a custom ecu, transmission, rearend and other parts. Then again making a oil pump seems to be a greater thing then having to rebuild an entire car right? lmao.

    Since you "designed the oil pump for the Veyron...no big deal..." why didn't you design other parts of the car was well? I seem to remember that out of the many times the 16/4 has been tested it has failed more then half of the tests, yet you "designed the oil pump for the Veyron...no big deal..." I am utterly amazed that you feel so proud about designing an oil pump for a car which has already hurt and come close to killing many of Bugatti's own test drivers. Yet somehow you're oil pump design is a greater accomplishment then the many cars I have built for specific races right? At least the cars I have built and in some cases rebuilt didn't spin out uncontrollably on the straight section of a track because I did it right unlike Bugatti.

     
  3. i didn't try to post the race-spec info on the Dauer before.
    And the turboes you speak of are KKK turboes...the same kind used in the Dauer...what you don't understand is that bigger is not better. Bugatti is not "cheap," the cost of building this car is 5 million Euro...which isn't exactly cost-cutting. The turboes on the Veyron don't need to run at high boost because the power target has been achieved without resorting to the easy option of increasing pressure to increase power and reduce engine life.

    And despite your wide reading on the subject...the W16 isn't based off sticking two V8's together...the base engine was derived from the VR6 engine (which is a VW engine), there are four of these VR6's in the W16.
    The VR6 is a combination of a V engine and an Inline engine (the R bit) the engine has two banks of 3 cylinders opposed at 15 degrees, which share the same head/cam assembly.
    You don't understand the W16 engine...

    The Street Version of the Dauer hasn't magically made turbo-lag dissappear...it was mainly add-on bits to make it legal...ask Mr. Zahn...he is a world authority on Dauers, unlike a punk little kid like yourself. it still has a turbo...it still has turbo lag.

    as of late, there have been no major problems with the 4WD system in the Veyron...Torque is a good thing in all cars, regardless of drivetrain...4WD is needed in the Bugatti to stop it getting massive amounts of wheelspin in any gear.

    When was the last 7-speed Bugatti...im pretty sure the EB110 didn't have a sequential 7-speed...the Veyron box is F1 derived and was designed in Britain.
    Read up a little more...

    If you knew anything about Racing, you would know that low-end torque is not a requirement...race-cars always maintain high revs and always keep the engine on boost (hence the use of heel-toeing to keep the throttle open). One other thing you probobly don't know...i was a mechanic on a race team (v8 Supercars HRT). so i know a thing or two about racing, unlike you.

    You obviously don't understand the importance of the oil-pump in the Veyron (expect me to be a little biased about the importance of it here, i did spend 7 years on it). You may or may not be familiar with the relationship between heat and fluid pressure. but basically the oil pump does two crucial jobs. a) it lubricates the engine (quite obviously), and b) it sprays components of the engine which tend to be quite hot (ie Piston rings which are constantly rubbing against the cylinder wall) which cools them down, and when recirculated, draws heat away from the engine (like a radiator does). I have been under a lot of stress over the past year and a half because of the heat issues on pre-production tests. i had to optimise the oil pump to the extent where the effect of eliptical outlets took a week and a half for a computer to measure the difference.
    i take pride in the fact that it is one of the most heavily engineered oil-pumps in existance, and that not one has failed.

    Apparently, i don't know how to set-up a drift car...mainly on the basis that i haven't been on a drift team or driven a drift car...because a) its a new sport which i haven't seen much of, and b) because Japanese imports in controlled power slides doesen't push my buttons. the sheer thought of winning based on "style" is almost offensive to people who engineer cars to such minute factors as outlet diameter.

    I have been on this site long enough to see a fair share of people like you revel in the shroud of anonymity and claim outrageous things...like being a drifter. you are lying, its quite obvious (also, who choses the screen-name of an American car when they obviously favour sticking Toyota engines in Nissans. i highly doubt you "designed and built" custom ECUs, transmissions etc...because from my recollection, there is a whole industry dedicated to doing just that, and the costs associated with building transmissions is in the million s of dollars. where did you get a precision casting machine?

    You pride yourself on "making a car work." well, guess what, how many other people have built a Japanese tuner car...there are two people on this site i know as a fact that they are Japanese car know-it-alls...one owned a Supra that did sub-10 quarters, and the other could be blindfolded and still correctly guess the model/year of a skyline on his sense of smell alone.

    I come back to my experience on a race-crew...everyone i knew/still know from crew days knows every inch of their teams car. it was a requirement to re-build a fully race-ready V8 in under 1.5 hours. i came to specialise in the non-electric auxilleries by being designated that role by the Head Engineer. whenever there was a cracked radiator, broken oil-pump, or even the fuel pump (which is a pain in the ass because there is more than one...which means checking the whole length of fuel line for the dodgy one...it was MY Job..

    i got a job at VAG in 1998 to develop the oil pump for the Veyron.
    Im offended by your insolence and total disregard for both the Dauer and the Bugatti, as they are both engineering masterpieces in themselves.
     
  4. #29 ajzahn, Jan 23, 2006
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    "The Street Version of the Dauer hasn't magically made turbo-lag dissappear...it was mainly add-on bits to make it legal...ask Mr. Zahn...he is a world authority on Dauers, unlike a punk little kid like yourself. it still has a turbo...it still has turbo lag."

    Right!


    "When was the last 7-speed Bugatti...im pretty sure the EB110 didn't have a sequential 7-speed...the Veyron box is F1 derived and was designed in Britain.
    Read up a little more..."

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    Full development of all DCT and AWD control algorithms and software.
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    Excellent Technical Reports on the Transmission

    >>> http://www.ricardo.co.uk/engineeringservices/transmission.aspx?page=casestudies

    ,the EB110 only came with a 6-speed manual transmission.
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    "Im offended by your insolence and total disregard for both the Dauer and the Bugatti, as they are both engineering masterpieces in themselves."

    I agree 110% !!!
     
  5. "i didn't try to post the race-spec info on the Dauer before."

    You said the Dauer has 2 times more boost then the 16/4 which isn't true because you didn't specify which model of Dauer be it the street or race version, you also did not specify on which boost setting the Dauer would need to be set on for it to have 2 times the amount of boost then the 16/4. Keep in mind for the Dauer to have 2 times more boost then the 16/4 veyron you would have to have the Dauer on the highest boost level possible, and even then it would have to be the race version running in lemans, because no public street anywhere would give that much room for that much boost.

    I've gone over the 962 site time and time again when it wasn't down and from what I have seen and read from the site, owners of porsches who have seen the 962 in person and so on the 962 street version DOES NOT have 2 times more boost then the 16/4. So like I told you to do before which you did not do, please show me where you found this info and how you found this info of the 962 having 2 times more boost then the 16/4.




    "The turboes on the Veyron don't need to run at high boost because the power target has been achieved without resorting to the easy option of increasing pressure to increase power and reduce engine life."

    I'm sure you with you're only purpose of being involved with the veyron (designing the oil pump) that you have a knowledge of what the turbos can do and why they were used right? lmao please do not speak about a subject you know nothing about. For example you were not involved in anyway of building or choosing the turbos, engine or drivetrain for that matter, so do not speak to me about those sbjects. Just as I was not involved in the intricate design of the oil pump which you proceeded to tell me how a oil pump is used (i have no clue why you chose to do that) I will not try to tell you what a oil pump does, even though I have built many cars and in some cases had to rebuild many cars which included either substituting a oil pump or making 1 work which came off of a different car.

    Actually the 4 smaller turbos on the veyron were chosen because the turbochargers which the engineers had originally intended to use, were found to produce too much pressure even before getting close to half the boost level for the engine, transmission and so on to endure. Thus the idea of using smaller turbos came to be, when you want to try and educate someone about a subject that you know not alot about please include the real information.



    "And despite your wide reading on the subject...the W16 isn't based off sticking two V8's together...the base engine was derived from the VR6 engine (which is a VW engine), there are four of these VR6's in the W16.
    The VR6 is a combination of a V engine and an Inline engine (the R bit) the engine has two banks of 3 cylinders opposed at 15 degrees, which share the same head/cam assembly.
    You don't understand the W16 engine..."

    Amazingly when you deal with having to build many cars, eventually you have to deal with european cars ie. audi, vw, porsche and so on. Beleive it or not in the autocross cars we have built we have dealt with vw's on more then one occasion, so thank you yet once again for writing 1 paragraph for no reason at all. Once again as I have told you before when I feel the need to sit through a crash course on a subject I already know about it will not be from you or anyone on this forum.


    "The VR6 is a combination of a V engine and an Inline engine (the R bit) the engine has two banks of 3 cylinders opposed at 15 degrees, which share the same head/cam assembly.
    You don't understand the W16 engine..."

    I suppose out of the many vw's which had the vr6 engine that I have worked on for customer's and friends, I still don't know anything about the vr6 engine right? Get a clue dude.




    "The Street Version of the Dauer hasn't magically made turbo-lag dissappear...it was mainly add-on bits to make it legal...ask Mr. Zahn...he is a world authority on Dauers, unlike a punk little kid like yourself. it still has a turbo...it still has turbo lag."



    1. I never said it magically made turbo lag disappear, because whenever you have a car which is turbocharged be it a million dollar car or a $20,000 car guess what? Turbo lag is and will always be present. What I said was that the race version of the 962 that was run in lemans had more turbo lag then the street version of the 962 does. Many people consider turbo lag as different things, unfortunately in the sutomotive world that I work in 99% of the tuners and manufacturers cosider turbo lag as being the amount of time it takes for the turbo to spool, but then again I guess you having built only the oil pump on the 16/4 would know more about this subject then me, the company I work for, and the many tuners around the world right? ROFL.
    2. I never said azjahn wasn't a authority on the Dauer, you would know this and you would have not felt the need to post that comment had you read any of my past posts on this forum. Nice attempt at trying to get Azjahn involved in this conversation, so you can shift the blame from yourself, however it will not work.
    3. Having to respond to me in a childlike manner by referring to me as a name not only does not help your case, but shows your true iq level. If you wish to have a verbal disagreement with someone because you couldn't prove your point the old fashioned way then do so with mpg and mt900s as they seem to love to do that.



    "as of late, there have been no major problems with the 4WD system in the Veyron...Torque is a good thing in all cars, regardless of drivetrain...4WD is needed in the Bugatti to stop it getting massive amounts of wheelspin in any gear."

    So are you going to tell me that Bugatti spent alot more money trying to fix the awd and transmission problems with the veyron? Interesting especially since if the problems with the 16/4 had been fixed Bugatii wouldn't still be testing the car, and the car wouldn't still be a prototype. Exactly how many times has Bugatti delayed the 16/4? I rest my case.



    "If you knew anything about Racing, you would know that low-end torque is not a requirement...race-cars always maintain high revs and always keep the engine on boost (hence the use of heel-toeing to keep the throttle open). One other thing you probobly don't know...i was a mechanic on a race team (v8 Supercars HRT). so i know a thing or two about racing, unlike you."


    I never said low end torque was a requirement. However when you have a car like the 962 which dominated lemans, which is twin turbo you have alot of low end torque. I could care less if you were a mechanic on a race team, that doesn't prove anything nor does it help you to make a point. I suppose since you were a mechanic on a race team that you have more knowledge on the subject of racing then I do right? Highly doubtful that fixing a crack in a radiator or running to the parts truck to get a spare oil or fuel pump means that you have more epxerience in racing then me.




    "Apparently, i don't know how to set-up a drift car...mainly on the basis that i haven't been on a drift team or driven a drift car...because a) its a new sport which i haven't seen much of, and b) because Japanese imports in controlled power slides doesen't push my buttons. the sheer thought of winning based on "style" is almost offensive to people who engineer cars to such minute factors as outlet diameter."


    Amazing yet again you proceeded to not fully read and understand the point which I was trying to make. If you had read my recent comment you would have gathered me saying the following - I used drift cars as an example of the many cars I have built, the main reason I chose to speak about drift cars, is because with drift cars you need a superior suspension and drivetrain, you also need to go through the entire car ie the entire drivetrain (transmission, rearend, engine, fuel system, oil system, turbo system and so on) and seeing as how I do not have a multimllion dollar company backing me to go to Lemans, the next best thing is drifting, also seeing as how a relatively large amount of people are involved and want cars built solely for drifting this is why I spoke of this subject. Drifting has been around in Japan for a long time, drifting is however new to the u.s., so no drifting is not a new sport, the reason you havn't dealt with drifting is because bugatti has no reason to be in drifting, and last time I checked Bugatti would rather waiste massive amounts of money on a problem prone prototype.



    "I have been on this site long enough to see a fair share of people like you revel in the shroud of anonymity and claim outrageous things...like being a drifter. you are lying, its quite obvious (also, who choses the screen-name of an American car when they obviously favour sticking Toyota engines in Nissans. i highly doubt you "designed and built" custom ECUs, transmissions etc...because from my recollection, there is a whole industry dedicated to doing just that, and the costs associated with building transmissions is in the million s of dollars. where did you get a precision casting machine?"


    What outrageous things have I claimed? I especially like this part of what you typed - "people like you" - discrimination will get you nowhere in life, I suggest you actually try to talk to me before you make a half assed assumption and proceed to label me. I recall asking a fanboy to post information on the topspeed of the 16/4 which not only has he tried to keep from doing for almost one year, but he waited for someone to come here and post the information for him, because he was too lazy to find it himself. Are you really going to lower yourself to the level of judging someone based on their login name on this site? If so you have already lost this disagreement. Do you even know anything about the car whose name I use as my login? Apparently not. If you did you would know how the engine was created and what went into making it reach the level of power that it has. (The main reason I chose the name of the car as my login was because of the engine found in said car.)




    "(also, who choses the screen-name of an American car when they obviously favour sticking Toyota engines in Nissans."

    1. You forgot the closed parenthesis on the end of that sentence.
    2. In drifting it is rare if it happens at all for someone to put a toyota engine in a nissan, reason being that nissan and not toyota created the sr20det which is favoured in the import and drifting world.


    "i highly doubt you "designed and built" custom ECUs, transmissions etc...because from my recollection, there is a whole industry dedicated to doing just that, and the costs associated with building transmissions is in the million s of dollars. where did you get a precision casting machine?"

    1. Out of the many aftermarket tuners who make and sell ecu's, none of those ecu's can be used for drifting, which led us to the problem of having to take an existing ecu and redo the fuel maps and so on. The last time I checked sitting in a drift car with a windows based laptop program and taking at most 10-15 minutes to tune the ecu for a customer doesn't cost millions of dollars, anyone who wants to learn to do this can learn rather quickly, then again it might cost that much for bugatti as bugatti much like bmw and mercedez benz is very overpriced.
    2. The cost for building a transmission is not in the millions of dollars, it may have been so for Bugatti, but back in the real world where most people tend to not lie about spending massive amounts of money on a prototype car, custom transmissions cost anywhere from $4,000 - $6,500+. As a matter of fact a friend of mine who just finished his grand national (which I tuned the ecu with my laptop because he added a bigger turbo, as well as installing the turbo, blow off valve and so on) bought a custom aluminum transmission, and come to think of it the transmission he bought didnt cost "millions of dollars" as you put it, but cost him less then $5,000 (btw his grand national now puts out anywhere from 630 - 750hp, when I first realized the level of power this car has I too thought of it as a drag queen, I was quite surprised when I noticed that it is his daily driver, and is quite comfortable.) As to where you get these price figures I have no idea. If we find we for some reason need insane amounts of horsepower and we are working on a nissan, we just use a rb26dett and completely go through that engine (which keeps us from having to have a custom driveshaft made, because the car which that engine came in already used a transmissions which could take up to a few hundred hp, incidentally out of all the drift cars we have built, I have noticed that more then 3/4 of the time we are building nissan's) the most we have to do is change the clutch or maybe the rearend.



    "You pride yourself on "making a car work." well, guess what, how many other people have built a Japanese tuner car...there are two people on this site i know as a fact that they are Japanese car know-it-alls...one owned a Supra that did sub-10 quarters, and the other could be blindfolded and still correctly guess the model/year of a skyline on his sense of smell alone."

    This is another case of you not having read my recent post. If you had you might have grasped the point which I was attempting to make. Seeing as how you didn't I will more the likely have to result in using words with less syllables in my future posts. Many people work on and tune japanese cars, thank you for telling me that as I had no idea such a thing was going on. (I hope you can sense the sarcasm)




    "I come back to my experience on a race-crew...everyone i knew/still know from crew days knows every inch of their teams car. it was a requirement to re-build a fully race-ready V8 in under 1.5 hours. i came to specialise in the non-electric auxilleries by being designated that role by the Head Engineer. whenever there was a cracked radiator, broken oil-pump, or even the fuel pump (which is a pain in the ass because there is more than one...which means checking the whole length of fuel line for the dodgy one...it was MY Job.."


    If you are trying to prove a point here I honestly do not get it. First off u start by saying that you designed a oil pump for a car, in turn I share with you my experiences of what I have had to do with a certain car (a drift car in this case) and in response you chose to tell me that you fixed a cracked radiator, broken oil pump or a fuel pump. I'm sorry but being able to fix or replace a radiator, oil or fuel pump doesn't even come close to having to tear apart a nissan or a toyota for drifting then having to rewire the entire car and make room for either a bigger engine, or a engine from a completely different manufacturer. If you seem to think that fixing a cracked radiator is a bigger feat then having to fit a rb26dett into a 200sx for example then you are a sad person.


    "i got a job at VAG in 1998 to develop the oil pump for the Veyron.
    Im offended by your insolence and total disregard for both the Dauer and the Bugatti, as they are both engineering masterpieces in themselves."

    Where have I disregarded and been insolent towards the Dauer? The last time I checked this was a conversation on the VEYRON AND THE DAUER, therefore you can stop trying to change the subject. Here's a thought why don't you attempt to do what I asked of you before and read through this entire thread? When you do that you may notice the many times which I asked members like DivineRage to post this information which he beleives in greatly, you will also see that on the page which you chose to post something NOONE POSTED THE INFORMATION I ASKED THEM TO FIND.

    So here is what you can do, instead of waisting you're valuable time which you spend making parts for a problem prone prototpye, and trying to explain to me why I shouldn't be talking on this subject even though my knowledge greatly exceeds yours, why don't you take some of this extra time you seem to have and tell people like DivingRage when they want to prove a point and stop a disagreement before it happens TO ACTUALLY PROVIDE THE PROOF THEY BELEIVE IN.

    Until you do the above im done with posting on this thread. It took 8 pages on this topic alone, not including the 35+ pages on other topics for someone to finally post the information I asked to be posted a while ago. BTW refrain from trying to explain to me how a oil pump works and why you out of all the bugatti engineers spent countless hours designing one, I have other matters which I would rather spend my time doing, like for example building a drift car.
     
  6. you sir, are an idiot...
    you build cars for racing in "drifting" or autocross (which im led to believe are two completely different forms of racing/car setup. you cant decide which one sounds better to lie about.

    Guess what, i've built cars...i built Nissans...guess what...they are easy to work on...i suggest you get your hands on a Citroen DS and try rebuild that.

    THe Fact is, i am an Engineer that worked on the most ambitious automotive project ever...and you are a glorified ricer who thinks it takes skill to sit at a laptop playing with fuel maps...

    you're car knowledge doesen't exceed mine.
    For a start, you don't even know that development finished on the Bugatti more than a Year ago.
    Its been six or so months since the Concours where it was delivered to its owner...since then it has been featured in nearly every car magazine...its been driven across Europe on Top Gear, and has been proven as the worlds fastest (why don't you get some initiative and ask TUV)

    You have proven to me, and others that you don't have a great deal of knowledge.
    I don't respect you because you proclaim to pull apart Japanese cars and prep them for drifting.
    part of my racing team experience was involved in building GT-Rs for the Bathurst 1000. which is 1000km on one of the toughest circuits in the world in a class where there were numerous other GT-Rs. They banned the GT-R because they dominated. i know my way around a Japanese car, i work on American muscle cars on the weekend, and my recent job was working for VAG.

    You on the other hand, have only built Japanese cars for a sport that doesent require a great deal of engineering know-how...and haven't done much else.

    I have intimate knowledge of the Veyron...and i have experience in racing (the kind of racing for big-boys, not little teenagers in imports), you haven't done much at all.

    My head is held firmly high because i am an engineer, and i have actually achieved something.

    even Axel disagrees with you...
     
  7. 1. I/we build cars for a variety of different events and for a variety of customers, I did not state anywhere that we only built drift cars. Please show me where I said that, because that's all you seem to have understood.


    2. Funny thing you mention the word lying seeing as how mpg, divinerage and many other members on this forum have lied about many things from day one, which you would see had you done what I said and looked. In one of my recent posts I remeber talking about a basic way to build a w16 engine (KEEP IN MIND I SAID A BASIC WAY I DID NOT SAY THAT BUGATTI DID THIS) to which you're response was that of where the idea was derived from (derived meaning where the idea came from) you also seem to think the 2 words have the same meaning, they do not. You say you are an engineer for Bugatti yet you have no knowledge of the delays Bugatti has had on the 16/4 since they first announced the car, you have no knowledge of limiting the topspeed for safety after a test driver almost died, you have no knowledge of the many problems the car has had to date, yet you say you are an engineer who designed an oil pump for the 16/4....and if i try hard enough I can sprout wings and fly. When you feel the need to stop making shit up so you can feel good about yourself then please do so, until that time you sound like nothing more then a fanboy who has too much free time.

    3. Too date you have asked me no questions on anything, you have not asked me which cars I have taken a hand in building, you have not asked me which cars I have worked on whether japanese, american or european you basically have no clue of what I have done in the automotive world. Did you all the sudden become psychic? Because I do not ever recall you asking me anything about what I have done, nor do I recall EVER telling you anything. All you have done here is shown how you love to assume things about people and then you twist those things into a way that you think sounds clever, you then try to make it seem like I said those things when in fact I never did. Here's a suggestion for you - do a little more of paying attention and a little less of assuming. Had you taken the time to ask me any of those above things not only would we not be at this point now, but you wouldn't continue to talk about things which I never said, it must be great to hear your own voice, as you seem to not be able to comprehend anything someone tells you.

    4 . The "development" has been officialy finished on the 16/4 for almost 3 years now, ever since the first time Bugatti publicly stated that the car was ready to be produced. Did you ask me If I thought the development on the Veyron was finished? No you did not. Therefore when you stop answering questions which you never asked me, questions that you do not even know the answer to, you will no longer seem like the village idiot because you like to assume.

    5. I do not preferr japanese cars for drifting, had you read any of my posts you woud have gathered the following - "it seems more and more that we are building drift cars for people because drifting is an expanding sport here in the u.s.". Where if anywhere did i state that I preferr Japanese cars for drifting? I do not recall ever saying that, so again when you feel the need to stop assuming shit that I never said please tell me, and if you actually do ask me a question you will notice that you will no longer need to twist words into something I never once said. I gathered from my recent post that you have no idea what a 200sx, a sr20det, or a rb26dett, if you knew what those are then you wouldn't have felt the need to share with me you're little story about a race you supposedly entered in. Guess what? Since the company I work for is a performance shop that does not only build drift cars (like you seem to think we do) and since we do alot of work either building or tuning japanese cars their COULD be a chance we have worked on a skyline. Hmm lets see why would we do this? Well let's think about it. We pay less then wholesale for a front clip, less then whole sale to get the entire car shipped to the u.s., hell we can have a newer skyline shipped to the u.s. for less then $3,000 spend another 2,500-3,000 in upgrades and turn around and sell the car for $38k or more, yet you with your few "GT-Rs for the Bathurst 1000" know more about skylines then I do right? Grow up man and face it that someone out there knows more then you do. Wow you work on american cars on the weekend that's great especially since more then half of the united states population DOES THE SAME THING. I could go on and list the many american and european cars I have had a hand in building over the years, but that would not do anything as you seem to not be able to read nor comprehend anything someone tries to tell you, and I do not feel the need to get involved in another dick measuring contest with you, because your friend DivineRage is a tool and you felt the need to stand up for him. You remind me alot of a guy a friend of mine introduced me to when I was in las vegas a few months ago, he had a real big ego and somehow got a idea stuck in his head that vipers are the best cars in the world, one day he decided to stop by the shop and gloat about it, when he saw a co-workers olds in the shop having some work done he went one step further and said his beloved viper would win in a heads up race. It was quite funny to see a 455 olds in a 70 cutlass with close to 800ft lbs of torque smoke a viper, though he seemed to be quite pissed when he found that a $55,000 car had been beaten by a $5,500 car.


    6. I absolutely loved how you assumed the following quote -

    "You on the other hand, have only built Japanese cars for a sport that doesent require a great deal of engineering know-how...and haven't done much else."

    Did I ever once tell you that I/we only built japanese cars for drifting? I do not recall ever saying so, yet you seem to think that I said that somewhere. Please stop assuming shit that I never said as I am increasingly getting tired of it. I especially enjoyed the part where you said you designed the oil pump for the 16/4 yet on this forum you assume things that I never once said, I find it very hard to believe that an engineer who has "I have intimate knowledge of the Veyron" comes off as a complete moron because he chooses to assume things which were never said and then disagree with them. So it doesn't require a great deal of know how to completely disassemble a car, then rebuild it again using better parts, welding stress points on the body and chassis, replacing every inch of wiring, having to make custom parts in house which are near impossible to find? Well damn man I guess you with your having to design an oil pump for a overpriced car is a greater feat then having to completely rebuild a suspension, drivetrain, body, and frame from scratch. Shit we might as well fire the many technicians that work for the company because you know so much more then all of us combined right? ROFL. I hope you can sense the sarcasm here as I am laughing my ass of at how you seem to think repairing a cracked radiator is a harder feat to accomplish versus building a drift car from nothing but a frame and body and somehow making the entire car come out perfect. Then again you have a intimate knowledge on how to build a drift car from nothing right? Funny, I wasn't aware someone would be stupid enough to drift a 16/4. You know nothing about drifting or what goes into building a drift car, therefore please spare me the bullshit on how you can possiby know what goes on.

    "My head is held firmly high because i am an engineer, and i have actually achieved something.

    even Axel disagrees with you... "

    What have you achieved? The last time I checked the real miracle was Bugatti somehow finding the money to fund the overpriced 16/4 considering that not too long ago they went bankrupt.

    Axel agreed with you so that we would all stfu and stop posting here. Dont get it twisted man.


     
  8. DodgeMS-4

    I'm not sure if lieing is the correct word, but you've posted a lot of false stuff in this forum. The first one that comes to mind is when you said that this car was designed by Gordon Murray.
     
  9. I'll add a couple to that list...


    #1. What you said.

    #2. Saying front engined cars cannot have a perfect 50-50 weight distribution.

    #3. Saying the Bugatti Veyron was not a production car, street legal, safe, or even finished.

    #4. Saying the Bugatti Veyron never reached 253mph even after proof has been shown many times over.

    #5. Saying that he knows more about cars than mpg, bugatti4evr, or myself.

    Edit: #6. Saying that the street version of the 962 had "0 lag", which is physically impossible since all turbos have lag.
     
  10. #35 henriksjostedt, Jan 24, 2006
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    Ahem.
     
  11. of course i know of the delays..it was meant to be released in 2003.
     
  12. 1. Front engine cars do not have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution, that has never happened and will never happen, no matter what you want to think, you would realize this had you taken some amount of time and actually researched the subject. As I stated before there are a few reasons why a front engine car doesn't have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution (keep in mind I never once stated anywhere that a front engine car could not have a close to perfect weight distribution) please learn to read what I have posted DivineRage. Oh and some proof of these many front engine cars which have perfect 50/50 weight distribution would be a good thing for you to post here especially SINCE you havn't posted any proof at all.

    2. As you and many other members on this forum may have noticed people consider the term "production" to mean different things. As I have told you before numerous times I consider a car a production car only when it has been produced and their are more versions then just the 2 prototypes which Bugatti has been testing for as few years now. I also will not consider the 16/4 a production car until mor ethen 1 is sold to the public. Is the 16/4 street legal anywhere in the u.s.? Nope, thought it may be street legal in certain parts of europe and the u.k. Is the 16/4 a safe car? Unless Bugatti is going to voluntarily let a few 16/4's be demolished to be rash tested, the 16/4 is not a safe car, and the last time I checked that has not happened yet.

    I especially loved you're #4 comment which went something like this -
    "#4. Saying the Bugatti Veyron never reached 253mph even after proof has been shown many times over."

    So the proof of the 16/4 reaching 253mph has been shown many times over on this particular thread has it? Are you 100% sure about that DivineRage? Interesting because I seem to recall asking you and many other members to post the so called proof, but you chose not to. You should really start reading what you posted in the past DivineRage, because I recall someone who wasn't even involved in the discussion posting that information which anyone can see if they click on page 6 of this thread and scroll about 3/4 the way down the page. DivineRage did you decide a while ago to create another login name on this forum? Because I do not remember you ever posting the proof which you beleived in, I however do remember you trying to change the subject numerous times and waiting until someone (henriksjostedt
    ) posted the information for you, because you were too lazy to find it.


    "#5. Saying that he knows more about cars than mpg, bugatti4evr, or myself."

    If you know so much more about cars then I do then why was it that you couldn't provide the proof which you VOLUNTEERED to provide? I'll save you the time on that one, you never had the proof ever, you chose to talk about a subject you knew nothing about, a subject which may I add you decided not to post any proof to help your argument. If I really need to explain about the pathetic things mpg has done on this forum (as if you don't know) then this forum has gone downhill very quickly.


    "Edit: #6. Saying that the street version of the 962 had "0 lag", which is physically impossible since all turbos have lag."

    In one of my recent posts I specifically remember saying the following (or something close to the following) - any turbocharged car whether it be worth $20 million or $20,000 will always have turbo lag, as the entire aftermarket community considers turbo lag to be the amount of time the compressor takes to spool.

    I also remember stating that the race version of the 962 which ran in lemans had alot more boost and lag then the street version does. Please show me where I stated that the street version had 0 lag.

    DivineRage if you are going to attempt to critique my posts and question me, it would be best if you at least ATTEMPTED to read what I have typed. Because what you have done above which I quoted does not help you out very much.
     
  13. 1. RX-8 is a front engined car. it hsa 50/50 weight distribution.

    2. the term "production car" means a car that is produced and sold to private buyers...it has been established that all 50 units of 2005's production run have been delivered to their respective owners.

    3. Any car under a production run of 300 doesen't need to comply with Euro NCAP.

    4. There is proof that it has attained 407km/h, there have been numerous articles posted, and the official release from TUV that stated it had achieved the top speed. Erica Ferrari even posted the picture off the Veyron passing through a speed trap at what anyone with a decent amount of knowledge would recognise as Ehra-Lessien.

    5. If you have more "car knowledge than all of us on the site, then why haven't you provided any info on anything...if you are as car-savvy as you proclaim...maybe you would've known the Veyron had finished being a prototype, and you would also know how one of the worlds most prestigious marques actually spells it's name. (Bugatti, not Buggatti, or Buggati, which you have used in previous posts.)

    6. you stated the Veyron had terrible lag compared to the Dauer. and since the Veyron doesent suffer much lag, you were basically implying that the Dauer suffers so little lag...which isn't the case...the Dauer is extremely peaky and laggy, maybe you would know what thats like considering you've built a rice-burner of two in your experience.

    And on the matter of your "experience," would you care to divulge any specific details about any of the cars you worked on...i have posted very specific details about my experience in the car industry, yet all you have posted is "I build cars for clients." cmon, give us PROOF that you do what you claim to do.

    on a final note, if you are right and know a lot, then why does EVERYONE disagree with you...

    PS. i have fowarded this on to Mr F.Piech and my collegues.
     
  14. wasn�t this thread about the TVR Speed 12 and Dauer 962 LM?
    so, how can you bring up such a crap as the RX-8? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
  15. RX-8 does have 50/50 weight distribution.
     
  16. ... which is useless for a supercar if it is onyl RWD, then it is better to have more weight at the rear axle to produce some more grip, it still handles well when it is 45/55 or even 40/60 if the suspsension is working well and the tires can stand 2g and more.
     
  17. We know that, but that dumbass said it was impossible, bugatti4evr is just proving him wrong, AGAIN...
     
  18. Where did I say it was impossible? The last time I checked I wrote the following on my last post -

    "As I stated before there are a few reasons why a front engine car doesn't have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution (keep in mind I never once stated anywhere that a front engine car could not have a close to perfect weight distribution) please learn to read what I have posted DivineRage."

    Apparently you didn't read anything I posted, if you had you would have read the part in that paragraph which is in parenthesis which went a little something like this -

    "keep in mind I never once stated anywhere that a front engine car could not have a close to perfect weight distribution"

    Like I have said to you many times DivineRage, when you feel the need to post a response about something I said that you do not fully understand MAKE SURE YOU COMPREHEND WHAT I TYPED.

    Did I state anywhere that a front engine car can't have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution? No I did not. I stated the following -

    "keep in mind I never once stated anywhere that a front engine car could not have a close to perfect weight distribution"

    Which means that NO front engine car can have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution, HOWEVER front engine cars can have a CLOSE to 50/50 weight distribution. And no the rx8 the piece of crap that it is DOES NOT have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution.

     
  19. Nice try at changing the subject, however you still have not answered the many questions which I asked you (some I have repeatedly asked you) on page #7. When you finally answer those questions, instead of trying to change the subject like you did here I MIGHT think about responding to what you typed on the top of this page.

    I especially loved your response on page 7, out of all that I typed, and showing that I (unlike you) at least read your comments, you chose to post the following

    "of course i know of the delays..it was meant to be released in 2003."

    and you decided to not even answer anything else I asked, you then decided to wait until someone else spoke up (DivineRage) and then you tried to get me to talk about something else entirely.


    Since you didn't want to read my response on page 7 I being the nice person I am will post all that I typed again.


    "1. I/we build cars for a variety of different events and for a variety of customers, I did not state anywhere that we only built drift cars. Please show me where I said that, because that's all you seem to have understood.


    2. Funny thing you mention the word lying seeing as how mpg, divinerage and many other members on this forum have lied about many things from day one, which you would see had you done what I said and looked. In one of my recent posts I remeber talking about a basic way to build a w16 engine (KEEP IN MIND I SAID A BASIC WAY I DID NOT SAY THAT BUGATTI DID THIS) to which you're response was that of where the idea was derived from (derived meaning where the idea came from) you also seem to think the 2 words have the same meaning, they do not. You say you are an engineer for Bugatti yet you have no knowledge of the delays Bugatti has had on the 16/4 since they first announced the car, you have no knowledge of limiting the topspeed for safety after a test driver almost died, you have no knowledge of the many problems the car has had to date, yet you say you are an engineer who designed an oil pump for the 16/4....and if i try hard enough I can sprout wings and fly. When you feel the need to stop making shit up so you can feel good about yourself then please do so, until that time you sound like nothing more then a fanboy who has too much free time.

    3. Too date you have asked me no questions on anything, you have not asked me which cars I have taken a hand in building, you have not asked me which cars I have worked on whether japanese, american or european you basically have no clue of what I have done in the automotive world. Did you all the sudden become psychic? Because I do not ever recall you asking me anything about what I have done, nor do I recall EVER telling you anything. All you have done here is shown how you love to assume things about people and then you twist those things into a way that you think sounds clever, you then try to make it seem like I said those things when in fact I never did. Here's a suggestion for you - do a little more of paying attention and a little less of assuming. Had you taken the time to ask me any of those above things not only would we not be at this point now, but you wouldn't continue to talk about things which I never said, it must be great to hear your own voice, as you seem to not be able to comprehend anything someone tells you.

    4 . The "development" has been officialy finished on the 16/4 for almost 3 years now, ever since the first time Bugatti publicly stated that the car was ready to be produced. Did you ask me If I thought the development on the Veyron was finished? No you did not. Therefore when you stop answering questions which you never asked me, questions that you do not even know the answer to, you will no longer seem like the village idiot because you like to assume.

    5. I do not preferr japanese cars for drifting, had you read any of my posts you woud have gathered the following - "it seems more and more that we are building drift cars for people because drifting is an expanding sport here in the u.s.". Where if anywhere did i state that I preferr Japanese cars for drifting? I do not recall ever saying that, so again when you feel the need to stop assuming shit that I never said please tell me, and if you actually do ask me a question you will notice that you will no longer need to twist words into something I never once said. I gathered from my recent post that you have no idea what a 200sx, a sr20det, or a rb26dett, if you knew what those are then you wouldn't have felt the need to share with me you're little story about a race you supposedly entered in. Guess what? Since the company I work for is a performance shop that does not only build drift cars (like you seem to think we do) and since we do alot of work either building or tuning japanese cars their COULD be a chance we have worked on a skyline. Hmm lets see why would we do this? Well let's think about it. We pay less then wholesale for a front clip, less then whole sale to get the entire car shipped to the u.s., hell we can have a newer skyline shipped to the u.s. for less then $3,000 spend another 2,500-3,000 in upgrades and turn around and sell the car for $38k or more, yet you with your few "GT-Rs for the Bathurst 1000" know more about skylines then I do right? Grow up man and face it that someone out there knows more then you do. Wow you work on american cars on the weekend that's great especially since more then half of the united states population DOES THE SAME THING. I could go on and list the many american and european cars I have had a hand in building over the years, but that would not do anything as you seem to not be able to read nor comprehend anything someone tries to tell you, and I do not feel the need to get involved in another dick measuring contest with you, because your friend DivineRage is a tool and you felt the need to stand up for him. You remind me alot of a guy a friend of mine introduced me to when I was in las vegas a few months ago, he had a real big ego and somehow got a idea stuck in his head that vipers are the best cars in the world, one day he decided to stop by the shop and gloat about it, when he saw a co-workers olds in the shop having some work done he went one step further and said his beloved viper would win in a heads up race. It was quite funny to see a 455 olds in a 70 cutlass with close to 800ft lbs of torque smoke a viper, though he seemed to be quite pissed when he found that a $55,000 car had been beaten by a $5,500 car.


    6. I absolutely loved how you assumed the following quote -

    "You on the other hand, have only built Japanese cars for a sport that doesent require a great deal of engineering know-how...and haven't done much else."

    Did I ever once tell you that I/we only built japanese cars for drifting? I do not recall ever saying so, yet you seem to think that I said that somewhere. Please stop assuming shit that I never said as I am increasingly getting tired of it. I especially enjoyed the part where you said you designed the oil pump for the 16/4 yet on this forum you assume things that I never once said, I find it very hard to believe that an engineer who has "I have intimate knowledge of the Veyron" comes off as a complete moron because he chooses to assume things which were never said and then disagree with them. So it doesn't require a great deal of know how to completely disassemble a car, then rebuild it again using better parts, welding stress points on the body and chassis, replacing every inch of wiring, having to make custom parts in house which are near impossible to find? Well damn man I guess you with your having to design an oil pump for a overpriced car is a greater feat then having to completely rebuild a suspension, drivetrain, body, and frame from scratch. Shit we might as well fire the many technicians that work for the company because you know so much more then all of us combined right? ROFL. I hope you can sense the sarcasm here as I am laughing my ass of at how you seem to think repairing a cracked radiator is a harder feat to accomplish versus building a drift car from nothing but a frame and body and somehow making the entire car come out perfect. Then again you have a intimate knowledge on how to build a drift car from nothing right? Funny, I wasn't aware someone would be stupid enough to drift a 16/4. You know nothing about drifting or what goes into building a drift car, therefore please spare me the bullshit on how you can possiby know what goes on.

    "My head is held firmly high because i am an engineer, and i have actually achieved something.

    even Axel disagrees with you... "

    What have you achieved? The last time I checked the real miracle was Bugatti somehow finding the money to fund the overpriced 16/4 considering that not too long ago they went bankrupt.

    Axel agreed with you so that we would all stfu and stop posting here. Dont get it twisted man."


    Interesting that a person who claims to have designed the oil pump for the 16/4, replaced a cracked radiator and a broken fuel and oil pump chose to not even respond to my questions, but instead find the easiest question answer it quickly, and then continue on to trying to change the subject. Oh and BTW you havn't talked about any cars which you have built, all you have said are the following "i repaired a cracked radiator, fixed a broken fuel and oil pump" oh and I can't forget my favorite one "i work on american cars on the weekend". Sorry but I still do not see how you fixing a cracked radiator, replacing a broken oil and fuel pump is a very technical thing to do, especially when compared to building a drift car from nothing but a frame and a body.



    "4. There is proof that it has attained 407km/h, there have been numerous articles posted, and the official release from TUV that stated it had achieved the top speed. Erica Ferrari even posted the picture off the Veyron passing through a speed trap at what anyone with a decent amount of knowledge would recognise as Ehra-Lessien."

    Yes someone did post the topspeed, however If I remember correctly (and I do) it took a person who wasn't even involved in the discussion to post the topspeed (it also took 38+ total pages of needless bullshit to finally get someone to post the topspeed), yet the very person who CLAIMED he would provide the topspeed never did so, he in fact tried to stall until someone did for him. What is very sad is that a engineer who designed the oil pump couldn't even post the topspeed of the 16/4.



    "6. you stated the Veyron had terrible lag compared to the Dauer. and since the Veyron doesent suffer much lag, you were basically implying that the Dauer suffers so little lag...which isn't the case...the Dauer is extremely peaky and laggy, maybe you would know what thats like considering you've built a rice-burner of two in your experience."

    No actually I didn't state that. Once again please learn to read what I typed and not just skim through the first sentence, assume you know what I meant even thought you didn't read the whole thing, and then try and turn what I said against me.

    You stated that the Dauer had 2 times more boost then the 16/4, you however did not state which Dauer you were referring too be it the race version which ran in Le Mans or the street version of the 962, you also did not state on which boost setting the Dauer would have to be on to create 2 times more boost then the 16/4, you also didn't provide any proof of this being a fact, you simply made a statement. As I recall I not only asked you which version of the Dauer you were referring to, which boost level it would have to be on, I also remember saying that the race version of the Dauer 962 HAS more (which it does) boost and lag versus the street version. I then went on to state the following - "every car which is turbocharged whether it is a $2million car or a $20,000 car has turbo lag, as turbo lag is widely defined by aftermarket companies, tuners, and auto manufacturers as the time it takes for the turbo to spool."

    I specifically remember telling you to post the boost on each car (the 962 and the 16/4) and to show on which boost level each car is on at the moment. Which may I add you did not do.

    I also remember typing that the 16/4 engineers originally intended the veyron to use 4 bigger turbochargers, however upon designing and building the engine, transmission and so on it was found that the drivetrain could not take that amount of boost, so the engineers in turn made a easy decision and chose to use 4 smaller turbochargers which dont even run anywhere near half boost.

    If their was a way to compare the boost level of each car (which their is not, because you seem to keep referring to the race version of the Dauer which has SIGNIFICANTLY more boost (versus the street verion) and the 16/4 BECAUSE it ran in Le Mans) not only would it be a halfass comparison but it wouldn't be a logical comparison. Now maybe if you had both cars on or near the same boost level then it PROBABLY could be done, however since the 16/4's boost level isnt anywhere near 1/2 this poses a problem. The problem being that you have a twin turbo car on one side, and if you try to lower the boost to equal the 16/4 you lose hp and torque among other things, on the other side you have a 16/4 which you are taking a chance in destroying if you turn the boost level up to meet the 962's boost (since the engine, transmission, rearend and awd system cannot even handle half boost). You are also comparing a car like the 16/4 which depends HEAVILY on 4 turbochargers to spool right off the bat to push the heavy car along, to that of the Dauer's turbos which do not spool right off.



    "And on the matter of your "experience," would you care to divulge any specific details about any of the cars you worked on...i have posted very specific details about my experience in the car industry, yet all you have posted is "I build cars for clients." cmon, give us PROOF that you do what you claim to do."


    You posted very specific details huh? The last time I check "i repaired a crack in a radiator" or "i replaced or fixed a broken fule and oil pump" aren't very specific details. When you choose to share these "specific details" that you have not spoken of, maybe then I will indulge you. Don't get you're hopes up though.
     
  20. 1. You are being too vague

    2. All of that stuff you mention is not true, the only reason they had to limit top speed was because the car could not attain that speed in handling mode (its got quite a high cD), there have been problems with the Bugatti...but none of the ones you mentioned actually happened.

    3. You attackted my experience after i stated some rather specific details about my career...yet all you have come up with is "I work on cars"
    In case you didn't see the question, "WHAT CARS HAVE YOU BUILT"

    4. you said the car was still in prototype phase (yes, you said PROTOTYPE PHASE, along with the bullshit about nearly killing a test driver)

    5. i never said i had more experience or more knowledge about GT-Rs than you do. i was stating that i had worked with them too. and when i say i work on american cars on the weekend...EVER HEARD OF FATHER/SON BONDING, I would prefer not to screw up a kids life by spending my weekends working.

    6. meh...you're going round in circles with your argument

    You seemed to have misread what i said...i said that i worked for a V8 Supercar team, as a crew member, specialising in fluid circuits. i did not only state that i "fixed radiators." i also stated that i worked on a GT-R for Bathurst (do your research), and i also stated that i worked on the oil pump in the Veyron.
    WHat more specifics do you want?

    The specifics i want from you is: What cars have you built, how many years doing that, any other accomplishments.

    also, there are different page lengths in this forum, so quoting page numbers is next to useless.
     
  21. "Which means that NO front engine car can have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution, HOWEVER front engine cars can have a CLOSE to 50/50 weight distribution. And no the rx8 the piece of crap that it is DOES NOT have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution."

    This statment is false. And that's what they are arguing about.

    My front engine, V8 RX7 had 49/51 f/r, and had I put a little bit more weight in the very front (say an oil cooler) it would have been exactly 50/50. When we are tallking static weight distribution, there are a number of front engine cars that achieve that balance.

    Now, it's also true that 50/50 isn't really perfect balance once the car is not static. But your actual statement: "NO front engine car can have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution" is, in fact, untrue.
     
  22. #47 Chris V, Jan 26, 2006
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    "1. No matter if the engine is in front of the front wheels or behind the front wheels, the car is still a front engine mounted car, meaning that it will never have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution, no matter how much bs you and people like you try to come up with to prove otherwise."

    Are you saying that becasue the engine is in front that a car can't get better than, say, 51/49 f/r, can't have 50/50, and can never have more weight in the rear than on the front? Is that factually what you are saying? In all your time of rebuilding cars for customers you've never seen it?



    Here's an example. An LS1 powered RX7. Basically stock chassis.

    http://207.127.219.37/video/AX.wmv

    Notice halfway into the video that they put it on corner scales. it ends up with 1379 lbs on the front and 1353 lbs on teh rear with no driver. 20 lbs difference. Fuel can put that to mor eweight in the rear, and had he moved teh battery to the rear it would have had 50/50 or better. In fact if you were looking for a front engine 50/50 static weight balance car, this one woudl be easy to make exactly that by a shuffle of 10 lbs from the front to the rear. TEN LBS!

    But of course, you say it cannot be done and no front engine car can ever be 50/50 or even slightly rearward in weight balance.

    I humbly submit you have no clue. I feel sorry for your "clients."
     
  23. Man, I was having fun with him. I wanted to see his reply to ME before blasting him into nothingness... <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/sad.gif"></A>
     
  24. "Which means that NO front engine car can have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution, HOWEVER front engine cars can have a CLOSE to 50/50 weight distribution. And no the rx8 the piece of crap that it is DOES NOT have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution."

    This statment is false. And that's what they are arguing about.


    How is it false? The last time I checked yo yourself wrote the following -

    "My front engine, V8 RX7 had 49/51 f/r,"

    Did you're front engine v8 rx7 have perfect weight distribution? No it did not. Did you're rx7 come stock with a v8? No it did not. The last time I checked rotary engines came in rx7's, leading me to beleive that you waisted a large amount of money on a v8 swap, as that was the cheapest way you saw to get a NEAR perfect weight distribution.



    Furthermore if you are going to attempt to belittle me about something I previously stated on these forums at least make sure you can remember everything I said.

    "Now, it's also true that 50/50 isn't really perfect balance once the car is not static. But your actual statement: "NO front engine car can have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution" is, in fact, untrue."


    When in fact I said the following (which might I add you quoted in your above post) -

    "Which means that NO front engine car can have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution, HOWEVER front engine cars can have a CLOSE to 50/50 weight distribution. And no the rx8 the piece of crap that it is DOES NOT have a perfect 50/50 weight distribution."

    If you are going to lower yourself to the level on cutting a part of what I said out to make a point then you do not belong on a forum anywhere.

     
  25. the new front engine Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorana has a weight distribution of 47/53 rather to prduce oversteer than understeer
     

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