Vs Ferrari Enzo

Discussion in '2000 Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT' started by Vaigra, May 7, 2003.

  1. ok me and my m8 are arguin over whats better, this or enzo but hes a typical arrogant ferrari fan (not sayin all ferrari fans are arrogant) and wont accept that theres a car faster and better than a ferrari, so for the record whats ur opinions?
     
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    No, Please!!!...another comparison.....Hennessey Viper vs. Enzo !!!??? no no no...
     
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    Yeah, i don't want to have two threads about this vs. enzo.

    Vaigra, Just LOOK ON PAGE TWO OF THIS FORUM, THERE'S A THREAD CALLED THIS VS. ENZO or something. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    he has the times the post of several of us and he cant even find a thread? hahahahahahaha!
     
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    i didnt look for another thread like this but yeah i made a mistake my bad no need to be an a-hole
     
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    my bad. im an a-hole.......<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    There are to many jokes in this forum
     
  8. Re: Vs Ferrari Enzo

    If you want me to answer your question, I would put my money down on the American Bad Boy.
     
  9. Re: Vs Ferrari Enzo

    Yeah, nothing beats Detroit Muscle...never did....never will....
     
  10. Re: Vs Ferrari Enzo

    wwwaannnnnnnnnnnkkkkkkeeeeerrrrrrrrr
     
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    aww its just a newbie, hes even got kid in his username :D
     
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    o calm down i was just messin. serious tho, why does everyone have to keep flamin american cars or jap cars? its a bit petty really, and comin from yanks its a tad narcissistic
     
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    Thanks a lot, kid.
     
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    Enzo would destroy the crap out of this on a track, not to mention it looks better, its european, it is much more luxurious etc..

    Please, do not think that i am underestimating this car.
     
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    OK:

    Enzo:
    0-60 mph: 3.5 sec
    0-100 mph: 6.3 sec
    Quarter Mile: 11.0 sec
    Top Speed: 217 mph

    800TT:
    (street tires)
    0-60 mph: 3.2 sec
    0-100 mph: (est.) 6.6 sec
    Quarter Mile: 10.71 sec
    Top Speed: (est.) 235+ mph

    So the 800tt would win at a 1/4mile. As for the track: (I SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE A THREAD ABOUT THESE NUMBERS, SO PPL DON'T SAY THE 800TT HAS BAD HANDLING)

    But as for the track:

    The 800tt does:

    slalom: 75.1
    skidpad: 1.06
    60-0 braking: 110ft

    These numbers are better than most cars, and probably the enzo aswell.

    As for ppl who say these numbers don't mean something, I've been posting this:

    In the june 2003 issue of MT.
    In thier 10 car shoot-out, they do a test on the track, a figure eight course layout.

    And given what the cars performed on the track, and what thier accel, and handling (skidpad #'s) you could say, that tests like skidpad and slalom do mean something.

    Here's the info.

    The mosler mt900 photon took 1st, (it used slicks for the entire comparison, hoosiersR3503's)
    It acceled the fastest and pulled the most g's. acceled to 83.6mph, and did 1.14g

    Second the viper srt10

    acceled to 79.3mph
    pulled 1.05g

    Third, lambo murcielago
    77.8mph
    .98g

    4th
    vette z06
    75.3mph
    .99g

    And so on.

    Each place you go down for a car, like from 5th to 6th the acceleration gets slower, or the cars didn't pull as many g's.

    The figure 8 track also tests acceleration, braking and hard, long turns in both directions.


    As for this and the enzo, keep in mind, in last year's C&D Supercar Challenge, the 800TT beat the Mosler MT900S Photon on the overall road course. And it beat the Beck Lister on the very twistiest portion of track. Both cars are *much* lighter than the 800TT and are lighter than the Enzo too, and have better weight distributions than the 800TT. But the 800tt still beat them.

    Given all this, IMO, it would be a close race. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>



     
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    Well, if you think that the Ferrari Enzo would destroy the crap out of the Hennessey 800TT on a track then you're not only underestimating the Hennessey 800TT, but you're making it obvious that you don't know much about Vipers.

    And furthermore, considering the purpose the Enzo was built for, then I find it hard to believe that the Enzo would be nothing near a Viper when it comes to luxury, because you've seen the F40 and the F50 haven't you? Find anything luxrious about those cars?

    Also using the fact that the Enzo is european as an argument for being better than the Viper is pretty low for someone with +11000 posts.

    And if you think the Enzo looks better than a Viper well then that's highly subjective opinion, don't you think?
     
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    If you think the viper has a chance against the enzo on the track, you don't know cars for sh*t.

    Even in a straight line, i bet you that at least 90% of the time, the enzo would pull a better quarter mile than the 800tt due to how difficult it is to put the power down in the viper. A lot of magazines that have tested the 800tt could only run 12s at the strip because they simply couldn't get the power onto the ground.

    I got a dvd of the gumball 3000, and at the end they have footage of a supercar shootout that included an 800tt. They show it spinning out on turns all the time. Slalom speeds are NOT handling.

    I'm not trashing the Viper at all. I'm just pointing out that its not in the same league as the enzo, no matter how much extra horsepower you slap on.
     
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    OMG, I MEAN, OMG.

    DID YOU EVEN BOTHER TO READ MY POST ON THE FIRST PAGE????????? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/angry.gif"></A>

    THE CAR RUNS 12?????? MOTORTREND TESTED IT ON STREET SLICKS, AND GOT 9.99.

    THEY ALSO TESTED IT ON STREET TIRES AND GOT 10.71 AT 137.6MPH. FAR FROM 12



    Enzo:
    0-60 mph: 3.5 sec
    0-100 mph: 6.3 sec
    Quarter Mile: 11.0 sec
    Top Speed: 217 mph

    800TT:
    (street tires)
    0-60 mph: 3.2 sec
    0-100 mph: (est.) 6.6 sec
    Quarter Mile: 10.71 sec
    Top Speed: (est.) 235+ mph

    So the 800tt would win at a 1/4mile. As for the track: (I SHOULD PROBABLY MAKE A THREAD ABOUT THESE NUMBERS, SO PPL DON'T SAY THE 800TT HAS BAD HANDLING)

    But as for the track:

    The 800tt does:

    slalom: 75.1
    skidpad: 1.06
    60-0 braking: 110ft

    These numbers are better than most cars, and probably the enzo aswell.

    As for ppl who say these numbers don't mean something, I've been posting this:

    In the june 2003 issue of MT.
    In thier 10 car shoot-out, they do a test on the track, a figure eight course layout.

    And given what the cars performed on the track, and what thier accel, and handling (skidpad #'s) you could say, that tests like skidpad and slalom do mean something.

    Here's the info.

    The mosler mt900 photon took 1st, (it used slicks for the entire comparison, hoosiersR3503's)
    It acceled the fastest and pulled the most g's. acceled to 83.6mph, and did 1.14g

    Second the viper srt10

    acceled to 79.3mph
    pulled 1.05g

    Third, lambo murcielago
    77.8mph
    .98g

    4th
    vette z06
    75.3mph
    .99g

    And so on.

    Each place you go down for a car, like from 5th to 6th the acceleration gets slower, or the cars didn't pull as many g's.

    The figure 8 track also tests acceleration, braking and hard, long turns in both directions.


    As for this and the enzo, keep in mind, in last year's C&D Supercar Challenge, the 800TT beat the Mosler MT900S Photon on the overall road course. And it beat the Beck Lister on the very twistiest portion of track. Both cars are *much* lighter than the 800TT and are lighter than the Enzo too, and have better weight distributions than the 800TT.
    But the 800tt still beat them.

    Given all this, it would probably be a close race.
     
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    Actually, in that Supercar shootout, the 800TT's best quarter mile time was quicker than the 720-hp *AWD* AutoThority 996TT. And its trap speed was far and away higher than the Porsche's. Clearly, you'd expect a 720-hp 996TT to do better than 11.66 in the quarter mile, wouldn't you?
    Not to mention the 800TT's rear tires in that test (Michelin Pilots) were 40mm narrower than stock.

    At that very same track the year before, they noted windy conditions and a lack of grip on the surface.
     
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    No, I wouldn't. Autothority is constantly ripped on for its crappy quality.

    And you completely avoided my point. Whats with those skylines that run mid tens at the strip with quite a bit less than 800 horsepower, weighing in at quite a bit more than a viper, and costing a good deal less than an 800tt.
     
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    If you think an 800TT will come anywhere near the braking and cornering of an enzo, again, you are completely clueless.
     
  22. #22 Nimbokwezer, May 29, 2003
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    Crappy quality? How so? How is that going to affect the numbers: 720 bhp combined with AWD?

    Your point to me didn't even mention Skylines. Why are we even talking about Skylines?

    Yeah, they're great cars to tune. Fortunately, their customer base is far wider than the Viper customer base. And how long have they been tuning Skylines? You don't suppose the AWD will help with the launch, do you? The 800TT runs mid 10's on stock Michelin Pilots. Sure, it's going to cost more. There's fewer of them, and they cost more from the beginning. Does your reasoning lead you to believe that any car that can't be tuned as quickly and as fast as the Skylines is a crappy car? For a fraction of the cost of that Skyline, you could put an Mustang into the 8's. So what?
     
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    i can't believe anyone would compare probably the most advanced road car ever, all the road tests i've read have said its such a leap forward in technology. and also, what makes everyone think the viper would be so close? i know it blows it away in 0-60 0-100 and 1/4 miles and speed but the whole point of the enzo is the massive downforce. now the viper probably handles good, but it surely can't have that much ground effects for track usage? i just think that on balance the enzo wouldn't necessarily whip it round a track, but it looks a surefire winner to me.
     
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    The issue really isn't down to technology. It has to do with comparing a tuner car (one based on an already very potent performer) vs. a stock production car. Just for reference, take a look at the results of that C&D Supercar Challenge. The quickest overall lap time turned in by a stock production car was the 996TT, with Porsche ace Hurley Haywood at the wheel. That was only good enough for 9th place, among the tuner cars. The heavyweight and auto-tranny equipped RENNtech SL55K was faster. As were the ultra-low tech Superformance Cobra replica (still breathing through carbs!) and the Beck Lister (also, basically just a kit car). Comparing these last two cars to any 996 is like comparing a sundial to a digital watch.

    Regarding downforce, I doubt the 800TT would have as much as the Enzo. It does have the same aero package as the 650R, and according to Hennessey, the wing produces 100 lbs of rear downforce at 130 mph, and the front splitter adds about 200 lbs, when the removable 3-inch carbon fiber lip is in place. At speeds below 100 mph, I'd think the downforce difference between these two is probably negligible. In a 150-mph sweeper, the Enzo would have it I'm pretty sure.
     

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