What ferrari is this ? (P4 Replicas)

Discussion in 'European Cars' started by Hatatitla, Oct 16, 2006.

  1. Before anyone asks ....

    The 'P4 Replica V12' advertised for sale on page 210 of the classified section, of June 2007 issue of Classic & Sportscar ....

    .... IS on my register. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A> It's a Foreman Mk4 P4, powered by a Ferrari 400GT V-12, with a Porsche G-50 transmission.
  2. #327 PandaBeat, May 9, 2007
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  3. #328 P4Registrar, May 10, 2007
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    Maxi - What do you think - that I am made of money ? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/amazed.gif"></A>

    I found this little snippet here a week or so ago:

    http://www.totalkitcar.com/news.php (for news articles, week ending 27th April):

    "If I sat and compiled a top ten list of the most sublime kitcars ever produced one inclusion would certainly be the NF Autos Foreman P4. The project is available to the right person as Neil and Matt have been swept off their feet with the success of their Car Builder Solutions business and can't devote the time required to this beautiful piece of automotive art.

    Formerly under the Noble banner, Lee sold around 150 kits (Yeh, right Lee) and turnkeys before the project moved to erstwhile Noble customer Neil Foreman, who has sold a further 60 examples. (Really ? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A> ) We featured a customer car in the Summer 2005 issue of totalkitcar magazine and raved about its quality and, well, everything about it actually.

    A figure of £100,000 will be required but for that you will get three versions of the P4 – Berlinetta, Can-Am and Spyder…visit www.nfauto.co.uk or phone 01580-891309 to find out more."

  5. Any ID on this one, from mid-1980s I believe?

  6. #331 P4Registrar, May 16, 2007
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  7. #333 P4Registrar, Jul 13, 2007
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    Found a short video clip of a Noble P4 berlinetta on YouTube today:

    Nice looking car. Appears to be currently offered for sale through a dealer - Dima Automobili S.R.L. in Bolzano, Italy
    (not a good place to be selling Ferrari replicas !) <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/sad.gif"></A>

    See: http://www.dimaautomobili.com/main.php?mod=scheda&id_car=44&fotoid=137

    and: http://www.dimaautomobili.com/scriptsx/schedaprint.php?id_car=44

    If I'm not mistaken, this is the same car that appeared in one of Lee Noble's adverts in the December 1990 issue of Which Kit? magazine. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
  8. #334 P4Registrar, Jul 17, 2007
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  9. Going kinda cheap.
  10. #336 P4Registrar, Sep 12, 2007
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    Here's yet a few more photos of that same Noble P4 replica which started this thread, taken at this year's OldTimer GP (August 2007) at the Nurburgring - courtesey of a Belgian correspondent of mine, Luc Ghys.
    It seems that the car's owner is a regular attendee. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
  11. replicas are lame.
  12. And what about you?
  13. crappy ferraris
  14. except for that they aren't Ferraris

    edit: great, 7 words and I still make a typo
  15. no u
  16. #342 europerule, Dec 28, 2007
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  17. #343 P4Registrar, Dec 30, 2007
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    (Quote from Trokc)
    That's a Coste C1.
    A french kit-car with original chassis and whatever you want in the back (but most have a V6 PRV).
    This one has a V6 with turbo by Vinegra,a Renault V6 specialist.


    More pics at dijon :



    Yes, that black Coste C1 is very sexy-looking. There's a good reason too. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
    Compare that photo from Dijon 2007, with the ones in the 'caradisiac' link. They were also taken at Dijon - but in 2006.

    Over the last Winter, the owner has not only lowered the car (considerably), but he has also lowered and re-profiled the shape of the rear wings (last 3 photos). <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A> The one at the left is from 2006, before modification.
    Notice the owner has also re-covered the dash in black. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>

    I was trading emails with the car's owner, just before Christmas.
    He kindly confirmed that the black C1 on Jacques Coste's website:


    .... registered 857 LBB 75 (Paris) is the same car (look how high it was then). He bought the car direct from Jacques Coste.
  18. Here are some more 'Before' and 'After' photos (all the same car).

    The photos with the car carrying Jacques Coste's 'garage' plates - 218 W 33 are as the car was delivered.

    The owner took some photos of the car this Summer - after his modifications over the Winter of 2006/7.
    Unfortunately, he did not set the correct date in his camera - so these newer ones are dated 2004/01/02.
    Just to confuse you .... It certainly confused me at first ! Notice the differences ? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
  19. #345 ajzahn, Aug 9, 2008
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    here´s one for sale:

    colour Rosso Corsa
    interior colour Rosso
    drive RHD
    type Cabrio / Roadster
    year 1967
    price P.O.R.
    VAT No
    country United Kingdom

    Every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the information above, however errors may occur. Do not rely entirely on this information but check with the sales team about items which may affect your decision to purchase.

    Ferrari Sports Prototype

    Built around the chassis of a 1967 Ferrari 330 GTS and rebodied in the style of the iconic 330/P4 prototype racing car of the sixties. Powered by recently rebuilt all aluminium 2.4 litre Ferrari Dino engine, and 5 speed gearbox. Exciting to look at and drive but at a fraction of the price of a real P4.

    The interior is finished in authentic red leather with up to date Sabelt racing harnesses. Sitting on gold Cromodora original type wheels and Dunlop tyres, with disc brakes all round this car is a real head turner.

    The car has been completely overhauled three years ago and is fully road legal, with current MOT and is of Historic Vehicle Road Tax classification. Complete with a large amount of bills and receipts for work carried out.

    >>> www.classicdriver.com/uk/find/4100_results.asp?lCarID=1768617
  20. Faking supercars?

    The face of auto manufacturing and retailing is changing fast--thanks to counterfeiters

    In an unglamorous garage in London stands a fake 1967 Ferrari P4. The P4, Ferrari experts assure me, is one of the most beautiful Ferraris ever, with all of its curves in the right places. It also is one of the most expensive models in the Ferrari stable (estimated value: $15 million). Only three were ever made, but I own No. 4.

    Fakes are my specialty. In the course of my work, I managed to meet with New York police commissioner Raymond Kelly, President Manuel Barroso of the European Union and high-kick wizard Jackie Chan. On each occasion, I dressed to impress: Armani suit, Alfred Dunhill shirt, Versace tie, Ferragamo belt, Louis Vuitton shoes, Givenchy socks. The commissioner wanted to arrest me, the president thought I was certifiable and Chan tore my outfit to shreds kung-fu-style and left me facing the press in my underpants. My entire ensemble was fake, and these gentlemen do not take kindly to counterfeits. Neither do I.

    For the last 20 years, my job as an intellectual property lawyer has taken me from Paraguay's Ciudad del Este to Guangdong Province in China to Manhattan's Canal Street as I search for pirates of counterfeit goods.

    Counterfeits often are associated with shady street vendors peddling imperfect copies. But in the last 18 months, I have witnessed a paradigm shift in the manufacturing of fakes. It is still only a ripple, but is set to become a tsunami. It will change the face of manufacturing and retailing, and it is fueled by a leap in technological engineering.

    The story begins with the curvaceous Ferrari. I first learned of the car's existence after our investigators were tipped off during a counterfeit-watch investigation in central Thailand. Instead of timepieces, they found fake Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Lotuses. "Hogwash," I told the lead investigator when I got the report. Counterfeit supercars? Not possible. Their pride at stake, they returned to the workshop in the dead of night and sneaked a series of eye-popping pictures, which they sent to me in London.

    I was intrigued. As a gearhead, I felt bound to broaden the scope of the investigation and asked the investigators to try to track down other cases. They found a factory in northeast China, which claimed to produce modern sports cars. Could they manufacture me a Mercedes-Benz SLR, I asked, even though it was not listed in their full-picture catalog? Within three days, I received a reply: No problem. I decided to raise the bar. How about a Maybach? The answer came back two days later by way of a question: Would I like a long or a short wheelbase?

    But here's the problem with these fake cars: The gas tank could explode, the brakes might fail, the steering wheel is rickety, and, I am sad to report, the famous Ferrari red on my P4 is starting to peel. (By the way, I should make it clear that conscience keeps me from driving it, as well as the certain knowledge that my boss would kill me should I give in to the temptation of taking it for a spin.)

    So, why has there been such a sudden surge and vast proliferation of almost copy-perfect fakes in the last 18 months?

    First, there are two types of counterfeits. At the bottom of the pile, you find "genuine fakes." We are talking about the knock-off luxury watch, which, until recently, was sold on the street corners of New York, Milan and Hong Kong. Genuine fakes typically are made and sold by mom-and-pop enterprises. Both seller and buyer know the product is fake. A $20 Rolex? Yeah, right.

    But a whole new wave of second-generation counterfeits has emerged: "digital fakes." The advent of digital technology has made perfect copies possible by the touch of a button on a keyboard. Never has copying been so easy, so quick and at such a high level. Digital fakes are immaculate in their appearance. Their packaging is superb and typically includes warranty cards of such high standard that they fool experts. Only upon closer scientific testing can the differences be distinguished between original and imitation.

    LAT Photographic

    The real Ferrari P4, driven in the 1967 Daytona 24 Hours by Mike Parkes and Ludovico Scarfiotti.
    I first came across this new way of producing fakes about a year ago, during a raid on a factory in southern China. In the midst of all the commotion--raids are noisy and disorganized and happen really fast--I spotted, quite by chance, a stack of innocuous-looking software disks. After analyzing them, we discovered that the counterfeiters had made smart use of digital technology and laser scanners to reverse-engineer highly complicated mechanical watches.

    I was so fascinated by this ingenious use of technology that I visited Minolta's laser-scanner labs after my return home. I will never forget the moment I was invited to remove my watch from my wrist and place it on the laser-scanner turnstile. Within five minutes, eerily, a picture-perfect 3-D digital version of the outside contours of my watch was produced: the ultimate, undetectable copy.

    Armed with this knowledge, our investigators in Hong Kong tracked and traced the sources of the software-not to China, surprisingly, but to Singapore, Taiwan and Hong Kong. The crime syndicates in these locations are "outsourcing" their counterfeit manufacturing to the less expensive labor markets of China, Vietnam and Thailand.

    And Asia should not be singled out. Organized-crime groups in other parts of the globe also have joined the digital-fake revolution. Not just pharmaceutical and luxury goods but every product known to mankind, including supercars, can be and is being perfectly copied. This is sure to have profound implications for many industries, including automobile manufacturing, in the future.

    Buyer beware, indeed. (Autoweek)
  21. nice thread <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
  22. #348 P4Registrar, Sep 5, 2008
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  23. #349 P4Registrar, Sep 5, 2008
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    Hey, Axel - What are you trying to do to me ? Did you really need to post this stuff twice ?

    See my replies against this other thread, which you started in the 'Classic Cars' section:


    Both cases involve – sadly not 'Fake Ferraris' but FRAUD.
    Which is bad news for us other HONEST P4 replica owners.

    A nice selection of recent photos of P4 replicas in a Flickr gallery, if anyone is interested:

  24. #350 P4Registrar, Sep 5, 2008
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    Hey, Axel - What are you trying to do to me ? Did you really need to post this stuff twice ?

    See my replies against this other thread, which you started in the 'Classic Cars' section:


    Both cases involve – sadly not just 'Fake Ferraris' but FRAUDULENT MIS-REPRESENTATION of them.
    Which is bad news for the majority of other honest P4 replica owners, who know exactly what they own.

    A nice selection of recent photos of P4 replicas in a Flickr gallery, if anyone is interested:


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