What's the most succesful race car ever?

Discussion in 'Classic Cars' started by KRSONe1, Aug 17, 2006.

  1. no, I also consider the 911 the most succesful race car in general, just the statement applies to it in some ways. Other than the 911, GT40.
     
  2. You can park a 60s 911 next to a 993 and never tell which is with by the roofline.
     
  3. Except they all basically were... Aside from the 911 GT1, and maybe a couple other exceptions, the 911 has always had the same layout/number of cylinders/overall philosophy/etc.

    Plus I think Porsche's dedication to it has a lot to do with its success. In many racing programs, a company will race a car for a period of time, and then switch their resources to other racing programs, or stop racing at all. The Porsche 911 has been racing and winning since more or less, day 1, and has been at it ever since.

    THAT is why the Porsche 911 is the most successful race car in the world.
     
  4. 911 motors still have compatible parts with the first ones. If anything, its incredibly impressive how little the car has changed in over 40 years. Same layout, motor, philosophy, style, handling characteristics, etc
     
  5. I'm aware of this. They did an amazing job in the first place, and it proves to be good enough today, but they did change their cars. The 911 is essentially the same car, but it went through many changes over the years. There's quite a difference between the rally-winning natually aspirated 911T's and the more recent turboed 3.6 models. And it really is impressive how relatively little they change to win over such a long period of time in so many diffeent classes.

    Whis thread should have been a bit more specific as to what is the same car.
     
  6. i don't think you can count all 911s together. the bugatti has an impressive record - i hadn't even considered it.

    i came in here thinking 962. for a percentage or wins from races entered, the mercedes w196 is surely up there.
     
  7. Same could be said of the Lancia Delta Intergrale?
     
  8. Sure you can, every car is an evolution of the last.

    The Porsche 911 is the most successful race car ever. /thread.
     
  9. 1000 races?! That's ridiculous! crazy crazy shit man :p

    Good find +1
     
  10. you can, even Group B rallye cars count


    1974 Porsche 911 RS 2.7

    Porsche 911 SC 3.0, 1978 Kenia-Safari rallye

    Porsche 911 SCRS, winner of the 1984 Sardinia rallye
     
  11. cool pics <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/grin.gif"></A>

    thx ajzahn
     
  12. i know wikipedia isnt the be-all and end-all of information but the story of the quattro makes me think its the most succesful raly car, being that the Fia reckoned there was no benifit in 4x4, absoloutly wiped the floor with the opposition weather it was wrc or pikes peak.
     
  13. lol <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  14. rover 25 in the a1 baldock to p'boro race
     
  15. That's what I meant. You can't possibly compare a 911T with a 911 GT1, for example. Althou they have similar looks, the same name, same number of cylinders, they're so different that a Beetle would be better comparo to the 911T than the 911 GT1! That's why I indicated the Bugatti Type 35, because during those years the cas didn't change that much. Of curse there were evolutions but about 90-95% of the car remained unaltered. And noting that in those days racing was much more raw and in the "each for himself" philosohpy (i.e., no marque backing them up).

    This doesn't mean I'm underrating the 911. Not at all! It's a great car that has evolved amazingly well for so long... I'll take my hat off for it!

    ANd yeah, it should have been more specific about what's "the same car" and what "successfull" means. But then again, the thread would end pretty fast <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
  16. what about cooper monaco?
     
  17. LOL???
     
  18. E30 M3 in the late 80s and early 90s, racked up something like 1500 touring car wins.
     
  19. How do we measure a racing car's success?

    1) Outright wins?
    2) Class wins?
    3) Money it has earned?
    4) Number of wins compared to number of starts?
    5) Average finishing position?
    6) Number of racing disciplines entered (endurance, rally, etc.)?

    I might be splitting hairs here, but in terms of wins-to-starts ratio, the 962 and the Ford GT40 must be two of the most dominant racing machines the world has ever known. But neither was campaigned nearly long enough to amass enough wins to overtake the 911.

    With all respect to Chevrolet and Bugatti (how often are they in the same sentence?), the Porsche 911 has to be it for me. Endurance, rally, autocross, hillclimbs, Paris-Dakar... The wins for the 911 would be hard to even calculate, and its average finishing position must be way up there too. Can you imagine Porsche without it? I can't.

    And why would you not count rally versions with the rest? If anything, that shows how versatile it is.

     
  20. Just found THE most successful racing car ever. THIS car won EVERY race it started!

    It's the 1978 Brabham-Alfa Romeo BT46B. Entered in one race and won it. 100% victories... <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
  21. That car sucks. OK, someone had to say it. But yeah, winning one race so handily it was banned? Yeah, I'd say that was successful.
     
  22. Why do you say it sucks? Its only problem was to be too good for the others! Even with an inferior engine, it kicked all asses! No car I know of has been banned so quickly! Just because it was too good...
     
  23. LOL! It's a joke... the turbine was to produce suction, therefore it 'sucks'. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  24. LOL!! DUUUUH!!! Good point! <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A> It really 'sucked'!
     
  25. Of more "regular" F1 cars, the Mclaren MP4/4 won 15 out of 16 races...

    Pretty good success rate
     

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