I just don't get it, they're ridiculously heavy, they're slow, they have little power and torque for the engine, why do people like them? They're awful, awful cars, and ridiculously overrated. I must concede however....some of them do look alright, certainly no suby though. Edit: I feel I must clarify, I got a little carried away in how blunt I was, and took it beyond what I truly meant, which is described below. Holden is good, fair enough, however there's nothing special about them in any way, they have not achieved anything unique, . I mean, you don't see anybody getting hard over an Acura RL or a BMW 6 series, so what's so special about Holden to generate so many obsessed fanboys? It's an alright design concept I suppose, if you want a stable family sedan/saloon that has a bit of "go juice" to it, and a reasonable amount of room. But They're designing their performance cars on this concept for crying out loud! Holden is the only manufacturer stupid enough to use this concept for their entire lineup and racing ventures! Why? It's just....well, idiotic. That's my point.