Why do people get so excited about Japanese cars?

Discussion in 'Asian Forums' started by Mustang Cobra R, Dec 24, 2004.

  1. I just dont understand this civic obsession, i have never in my life seen a styled or tuned civic, and i cant understand why anywone would want to do that either. Its hopeless.
     
  2. 230hp...in a ~2400lb EG civic hatch makes for a pretty decent power to weight ratio.
     
  3. Because so much glamour surrounds them because of "the movie". Personnally i dont mind japanese nor domestic cars, exept saturns and non srt-4 neons. One of those things tuned in any way infuriates me like nothing else.
     
  4. It's all about being able to personalize the car

    admit it, custom made things are the best
     
  5. You've obviously never seen what a Civic can do at the hands of someone who knows how to tune them.
     
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  7. But why not pic a better car to start with?
     
  8. Because then you would be missing the point of tuning.
     
  9. What are you talking about you crackhead.
     
  10. Why pick a better car to start with? Civics can be made into quite light, reasonably fast cars. Starting with something that has very avarage performance stats and tuning it into a very capable circuit car would be hugely rewarding.
     
  11. why would anyone tune a jetta, or a golf?
     
  12. okay, see, cars can do more than go in a straight line. japanese manufacturers, unlike american ones, understand this. if youve ever watched anything other than ASSCAR and NHRA, (FIA, WRC, JGTC, F1, ALMS, etc.) youll realize this. weight (low), suspension setup (double wishbone, etc. NOT some shi*y mustang with non-independent rear suspension) weight distribution (well, S-2000, etc.) and a million other things. to me, an s-2000 would be a world better than a SVT cobra or something because it can handle, and its a well balanced car.

    ON THE OTHER HAND,
    there are little riceboys that run around putting big attack wings, veilside kits and catbacks on their POS delsols and such..theyre just f*ckin retarded, end of story. no one serious about cars drives a probe, del-sol, etc. especially modified.

    THEN
    there are people who are into drag racing. not something i like personally, but maybe they have an aversion to american metal. and that 230hp civic can pull a 13.0 with slicks, so dont laugh. and its not as much money to get into as you say. some kid needs a cheap car (civic dx/vx) to get around town thats good on gas/insurance. over time he builds it up, gets into the street racing scene, etc. so thats pretty much how that happens, so its not really a bad thing, just the second example is.

    hope that helps. it is really a different culture than mustang/camaro/etc.
     
  13. Why don't people puke on japanese cars?
     
  14. Because a S10 is so much better to shit on
     

  15. this thread was started by people that like gundams? wtf
     
  16. I didnt start the thread. AND GUNDAMS RULE
     
  17. I want a 90 civic hb stripped out with individual carbs and a redline of 14,000 on a $20,000 engine that makes 240 hp and 120 ft lbs torque @ 12,000 rpm.
     
  18. Well that's interesting, I thought everyone knew he owned the Viper..anyways, heres some pics
     
  19. Well everyone should knwo he owns a Viper and a Supra. The Supra's been in videos and in Cribs on MTV
     
  20. I'm the last person you need to tell that there is more then straight lines when it comes to cars. I really don't like drag racing and I personally love GT racing. I watch FIA, ALMS, WRC, JGTC (when it's on) and SCCA religiously. I simply adore road racing.
     
  21. #1 SVT Cobras have independent rear suspensions, and handle well.
    #2 No one who is serious about cars drive Probes, I disagree, and I bet people at Probe Sport and RR-Racing do as well.
    #3 Why are Del Sols pieces?
    I'd say you can expect high 13s to low 14s with a 230hp Civic.
     
  22. do you realize you're the fourteenth million person to make a retarded thread like this at this site? Are you expecting a prize or something?

    Seriously, retarded.
     
  23. Considering I was into sport compacts in the late '70s and early '80s, I'll try to explain it to you...But there are a number of factors that brought it to where it is.


    To start with, in the early '70s, when Japanese cars were making sales inroads in the US, American Musclecars were drag race only, with a few exceptions. And they were dying out. While big block muscle could be fun, there were a lot of us getting into SCCA racing, from road race, to rally, to autocross, all of which rewarded small, agile, light cars. A mildly modded Mazda RX3, Toyota Corolla, Datsun 510, or Honda Civic (which was the heir apparent to the world conquering Mini Cooper) could easily beat a mildly built musclecar in any contest of handling on real roads or on the track.


    And we were learning how to make them quick, as well. In the early '80s, my street ported RX3 was as quick as my big block Torino, and quicker than my '70 Mustang. And handled better than either of them.


    People also bought these cars as their daily drivers, and recommended them to friends. They were built better and more useful than the domestics of the day.

    At the same time, in the '80s, high end European luxury cars were being seen as performance cars, with the AMG Mercedes leading the pack. DTM racers were desireable, but not everyone could afford it. Luckily, you could take a car like the 510 and it's replacement, the Sentra, and make it fast AND make it look like it was built by the same AMG type shop, with small ground effects kits, monochrome paint, and custom eurostyle wheels. The average economy minded student could have style and a bit of performance, while still having a practical car. Japanese cars also seemed to take up the reigns of the performance world, when Detroit all but abandoned it. Musclecars became simply poorly built old cars that cost a lot to make nice or insure, or they were outrageous Pro Street cars. And they were for old guys, like street rods were.


    And yet another thread that was occuring at the same time... the custom VW scene was as large as any Camaro or Mustang aftermarket scene. it was HUGE for air cooled VWs. In fact, only the aftermarket for small block Chevy cars was larger. There were shows everywhere that were drag race and custom shows. 20k-30k people would come through the typical weekend gates at a VW show to see custom Bugs, and watch the drag Bugs running 10s and 11s, and the Pro Bugs running 9s. Even in the early '80s, a street VW bug was easily capable of 11s, which was fast even in the musclecar world. These guys also liked the quality and ability of the imports vs domestics of the day, and as the water cooled Rabbits and Sciroccos became more popular, moved to doing the same with them that they did with the Bugs.


    This style translated well to the Japanese side. Since the sports car fans were big on rallye, F1, and road racing, small, high revving engines were preferred. Complex technology was desired, and Japanese cars delivered. Combine all these sources, and you get the modern sport compact: complex engines and electronic management, road race flares, spoilers, and wings, high revving engines (and the engine sounds DO sound like all the old 4 cyl road racers that started the craze.. when an RX3 or 510 is prepped for racing, it's friggin loud and actually rather annoying. But like learning what sounds good in a V8, fans learned what sounded like a fast 4 cyl. V8 vans still think it sounds bad, but to those who know what the fast cars sounded like, it's not necessarily a bad sound). Som of the fans lean more toward the performance side of the scene, while others lean towards the show side of the scene, which grew from the VW and mini truck background.

    And if you really want to see where the modern version gets a lot of inspiration, look no further than the Touring Car road racing series.


    While musclecars tended to follow pro drag racing (and thus giving us Pro Street cars, which were street driven versions of themore radical drag racers) Sport compacts have followed road racing, throwing a bit of drag racing in for good measure, like the VWs did.

    That, in a nutshell, is why we are where we are with modern sport compacts, and why people want to build them. And modern sport compact fans love vintage sport compact cars the same way modern musclecar fans love vintage muscle: even though modern cars are vastly better, the old school stuff is where it started.

    Of course a lot of fans of the sport compact scene really didn't pay attention to the musclecar scene, which with the advent of good electronic engine management, started to grow again, to the point where modern muscle is vastly more capable than '60s muscle in so many areas.

    ..........................

    The fart tip type exhaust: Thats how those race cars I pictured sound. Ever hear a racing RX3 or 510? Go to a club road race and listen to the small bore race cars, sometimes. Making the street cars sound that way is like putting a set of 2 chamber flowmasters on a Mustang. it makes a little more power and a lot more sound. (I had a pair of 2 chamber flows on my V8 powered RX7...). What's not to understand?

    The wings: race cars and touring cars. Kind of like how musclecar fans built Pro Street cars with parachutes, big rear wings, skinny little front tires and steamrollers for a car that was going to be used to drive around town. What's not to understand? Race cars on the street.

    Body kits: again, look at the fender flares and air dams of the road race cars. Some of the street cars you see will be poor quality just like there will be some poorly built jacked up musclecars. But that doesn't mean that all of them are any more than the Camaro with a bare fiberglas harwood scoop, and primer fenders is representative of domestic muscle. What's not to understand?

    The 22 inch wheels are a combo of the show car background I pointed out, AND the road race background. Unlike drag racing, where the sidewalls were tall, road race cars had larger wheels and short tires. Even back in '79-80, the Group 5 cars were running 19-20" rear wheels with very thin racing tires.

    So you combine the trend in road racers with the trend in show cars and you get the modern scene. Kind of like combining the 22 inch wheels of a Foose built Domestic custom with the Pro Street look. neon lights and air ride (not hydraulics, generally) also come from that show background. Air ride serves a double purpose: looks and function. Domestic customs, and even Pro Street type cars are often very low. Road race cars are usually very low. But street cars are a little harder to permanenetly have that low. So an adjustable suspension that gives good ride and the ability to both cruise low and clear obstacles as a good thing. Regardless of whether you are in a big block '62 Impala, or a road race style Civic.

    .............................

    Seriously, cars are mechanical devices, not religious icons, and we all have different ideas on how we like our cars. Whether it's a custom lowrider built from a '60s domestic, a Pro Touring musclecar, a road race Civic, a semi-restored 240Z, a drag race Bug, or a modded BMW, it's all about enjoying cars. What's not to understand?
     
  24. I have one. Nah nah nah na na nah. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
     
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