why do so many hate this car.........

Discussion in '2002 Dodge Viper GTS Final Edition' started by tha topp dogg, Nov 27, 2002.

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    who hates vipers? I luv them(all of them<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>) and would have it over any other supercar out there!!!
     
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    **** the A-Team. I'll whup their asses too, heh heh.
     
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    got that shit straight! Love to have one of those!
     
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    I doubt it, since they would probaly turbocharge their cars to make that kind of power. Besides, I don't think those 2 have enough experience to create efficient HP off of many liters.
     
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    omg u guys r so gay HOW THE F UCK DO U HATE THIS CAR OMG IF U HATE THIS CAR UR F UCKIN GAY THIS CAR IS PURE AMERICAN AND IF U DONT LIE THIS CAR THEN U R A WORTHLESS IMMAGRANT THAT WATCHES THE FAST N THE FURIOUS TOO MANY TIMES.


    1st Dodge Viper Gtsr concept 2002
    2nd Lambo mercielago
    3rd Bugatti Veryon 16/4
    4th Ferrari Enzo
    5th Ferrari F50
    6th Dodge Viper 2003
     
  6. #31 fbodyrules, Mar 23, 2003
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    chill, just because its american doesnt mean its good, check this out, its the ten worst cars ever http://cartalk.cars.com/About/Worst-Cars/results5.html , look how many are american, 6 out of 10. im not saying all are bad, im just saying i wouldnt rest on it being american. ppl might not like this car because it cannot handle too well, now the srt-10 can hold its own in handling, but any viper pre srt-10 was a bad handler. I have a video of motorweek comparing an svt-cobra r, a ZO6, and a viper ACR being compared, the viper was the worst handler, with "vague steering" "unpredictable handling"
     
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    The only reasons I could see someone hating this car are the asinine comparisons against cars like the S2000, or they're hp/l nuts. I'm waiting for someone who thinks hp/l defines how great an engine is to admit a Top Fuel drag engine is light years ahead of an F1 engine<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    People hate this car cause it is a lot better than what they got.Take ferrari and lamborghini freaks for example. Their diablos and crap cost like $280 000. And for what some 3.6 0-60mph.Now I know that ferrari's and lamborghini's are not meant for accelaration, but if you were street racing, the viper would kick its booty. And it would do it to the $670 000 Ferrari Enzo too. The Viper is only like $80 000
    when you buy it in the us.Its not that i hate ferrari and lamborghini as i think they have some of the most beautiful cars I have ever seen. But I think that the viper is a much better deal than the other ones for what it can do for the cost. And look at the #%$s stare at the viper.
     
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    Todos os que dizem mal do Dodge Viper são apenas um frustrados que gostavam de ter um mas nao têm $$ para o ter... Esquecem-se que é um carro que nao foi fabricado para meninos ricos que gostam de luxo e de mostrar o carro ás miudas. É ,na realidade, um carro para quem gosta de conduzir, aliás, para quem SABE conduzir! Visto que na maioria das versões nem vidros electricos trás, quanto mais controlos de tracção e ajudas electronicas para controlo... BAH ! Open you eyes ! This is a car for those who loves driving whith skill and likes the pure competition car spirit in a streetlegal BOMB ! Sorry about my inglish in the lines above but i needed to talk, cause i LOVE the mytic Dodge Viper.
     
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    Do you honestly think a stock Viper would stand a chance in ANY sort of race with an Enzo? Hell, even the Murcielago, which isn't intended to be a raw performance car has it more than matched in a straight line and around a track. Also, you might see where part of the additional money spent on, say, a Lambo or Ferrari if you look at the importation fees, rarity and build quality, which they have in leaps and bounds over the Viper.
     
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    No but a few inexpensive tuneups would easily kick its ass. The Ferrari Enzo I think is A LOAD OF CRAP. Ferrari could have done much better. Although I do like a lot of the other ferrari's. I especially like the 360 spider. But I would choose a Viper ove pretty much anything else even though some of you think I'm probably very stupid for saying that but do I care? HELL NO. I love the Viper more then I love myself. Well... almost.<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    Kick its ass in what? Certainly not a real race around a track. It takes more than just a few extra horsepower to match a car that was designed for the track. How is the Enzo a "load of crap"? It is certainly the most technologically advanced car on the market, and undoubtably fastest around a track.
     
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    Japanese interpretation of spactatcular: slapping a supercharger, turbocharger, or nos on a 2.6 liter and producing 800hp. Not impressive to me.
     
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    did you guys see the RSI 700 unlimited viper do a quarter mile in 9.48 @ 149.95 mph it was wicked
     

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    why do so many hate this car.........


    I don't hate this car and I'm not American - I'm Finnish..
    Actually - I don't hate any fast car which has also good looks...

    But what I want to tell you is this:

    Some years ago Dodge Viper GTS competed against many European fast cars in one magazine (maybe Auto Motor und Sport). If I remember right, there were Porsche 911, BMW M Coupe, BMW M3, Chevy Corvette, Ferrari 355, etc.

    Viper did pretty well and if I don't remember wrong - it won the whole competition!

    I noticed one thing which was amazing indeed. Dodge Viper was only car which actually HAD DOWNFORCE! <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/amazed.gif"></A> Yes, there were a raising force in every other cars tail! So I think that Viper will handle pretty well...

    And it handles pretty well.. How many of you watches Le Mans and other GT series? So you probably know that the Viper is "King of The Hill" in its class. There are cars like Ferrari 575 M fighting against Viper but the snake bites every time - BIG TIME!

    So, I think that there is no reason to hate this wonderful car!
    I think that comparing Dodge Viper Venom 800 TT to Koenig Lamborghini Diablo isn't insanity. Both are tuned, both looks good, both goes like hell and they handle equally ((Michael Schumacher test drived Diablo against other supercars (like F40, 911 Turbo, XJ220, EB110) one time in Finnish magazine and Diablo came second last - only 911 Turbo was worse!)). Especially handling sucked big time in Diablo. So, Venom is maybe faster in 0-60, maybe faster above 200, maybe faster at the track = maybe it handles better, both looks good, reliability is much better in 8 litre V10 than screaming 5.7 V12 and above all - VIPER COSTS MUCH LESS!

    So I hope that every kid in the area will shut their mouth.. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>

    I have spoken...
     

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    why do so many hate this car.........


    I don't hate this car and I'm not American - I'm Finnish..
    Actually - I don't hate any fast car which has also good looks...

    But what I want to tell you is this:

    Some years ago Dodge Viper GTS competed against many European fast cars in one magazine (maybe Auto Motor und Sport). If I remember right, there were Porsche 911, BMW M Coupe, BMW M3, Chevy Corvette, Ferrari 355, etc.

    Viper did pretty well and if I don't remember wrong - it won the whole competition!

    I noticed one thing which was amazing indeed. Dodge Viper was only car which actually HAD DOWNFORCE! <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/amazed.gif"></A> Yes, there were a raising force in every other cars tail! So I think that Viper will handle pretty well...

    And it handles pretty well.. How many of you watches Le Mans and other GT series? So you probably know that the Viper is "King of The Hill" in its class. There are cars like Ferrari 575 M fighting against Viper but the snake bites every time - BIG TIME!

    So, I think that there is no reason to hate this wonderful car!
    I think that comparing Dodge Viper Venom 800 TT to Koenig Lamborghini Diablo isn't insanity. Both are tuned, both looks good, both goes like hell and they handle equally ((Michael Schumacher test drived Diablo against other supercars (like F40, 911 Turbo, XJ220, EB110) one time in Finnish magazine and Diablo came second last - only 911 Turbo was worse!)). Especially handling sucked big time in Diablo. So, Venom is maybe faster in 0-60, maybe faster above 200, maybe faster at the track = maybe it handles better, both looks good, reliability is much better in 8 litre V10 than screaming 5.7 V12 and above all - VIPER COSTS MUCH LESS!

    So I hope that every kid in the area will shut their mouth.. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>

    I have spoken...
     
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    quite logical if the car has a V-10 from something bigger than a van...
     
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    i think it is an embarrassment that an engine that was lifted out of a truck and then had a car built around it can be called a sports car. Whats more embarrassing is that it actually works!!! This truly is one of the most influencial and well known cars ever made. Well done Dodge.
     
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    NO ABS, NO DIRECTION ASSISTANCE, MUFLER NEXT YOUR DOOR...
    UNDRIVABLE (I DRIVED IT..) CATHERHAM OR DONKERWORTH BRINGS YOU THE SAME SHIT FOR LESS MONEY...GIGOLO'S CAR..
    AND YOU DREAM TO BEAT MOST EUROPEAN CARS AMERICAN GIGOLO..
    JUST FOR AN EX. OF EUROPEAN CARS WHO BEATS THE VIPER FINGER IN THE NOSE TO USE A FRENCH EXPRESSION AND I DON'T TAKE SUPERCARS:
    ZONDA, M3 GTR STRASSEN VERSION, TVR SPEED 12, MARCOS MANTIS,
    FERRARI ENZO,355 F1, ASTON MATIN VANQUISH, LOTUS ESPRIT, MEGA TRACK(ORIGINAL CHOICE), PORSCHE GT3 GT2...ETC..ETC..
    NOW THINK, WHICH OTHER AMERICAN CAR EXCEPT THE MUSTANG (BABY CAR)CAR YOU CONSIDER AS A SPORTS CAR..CORVETTE(...PLEASE..)
    THAT'S WHY EVERYBODY HATES THE VIPER, IT'S THE ONLY AMERICAN CAR WITH A POTENTIAL, AND EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN GUY SHOW'S OFF WITH THIS CAR AND IRRITATES EUROPEAN WITH THE ONLY REAL SPORTS CAR THEY'VE GOT...JUST HOW YOU DID IN SAYING THAT A VIPER COULD BEAT MOST EUROPEAN CAR (THAT'S A DREAM...)...CMON GIVE US SOME OTHER EX THAT THIS POOR VIPER WHO'S GONNA DIE AS ALL CARS IN THE FURTHER YEARS..
    WE HAVE SPORTS CAR READY TO FIGHT THE ONLY AMERICAN CAR I LIKED WAS THE C5 R...IT COULD FOLLOW AT LEAST..
    ALL THESE DISCUSSIONS AROUND THE VIPER, WILL STOP THE DAY AMERICA WILL MAKE OTHER SPORTS CAR...
     
  20. #45 1426 cid, May 9, 2003
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    Well you posted almost the same thing in three threads, i'll just respond to this one.

    Now the only thing in what you just posted that matters is this:

    "JUST HOW YOU DID IN SAYING THAT A VIPER COULD BEAT MOST EUROPEAN CAR (THAT'S A DREAM...)"


    A dream that a viper could beat european sports cars?

    In this comparison it was reality:

    http://members.aol.com/Pdl2thmdl/table1.html

    Quick Guide To Motor Trend's High Speed Gamble Results.

    Top Speed(mph)

    Dodge Viper GTS 187.3
    Porsche 911 Turbo 181.8
    Ferrari F355 180.0
    Chevrolet Corvette 169.3
    Acura NSX-T 162.2
    Toyota Supra Turbo 158.1
    Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 155.7


    0-60-mph Acceleration(sec.)

    Porsche 911 Turbo 3.7
    Dodge Viper GTS 4.0
    Acura NSX-T 4.8
    Chevrolet Corvette 4.8
    Ferrari F355 4.8
    Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 4.8
    Toyota Supra Turbo 5.1


    Quarter-mile Acceleration(sec./mph)

    Dodge Viper GTS 12.2/119.3
    Porsche 911 Turbo 12.3/114.1
    Ferrari F355 13.2/112.2
    Chevrolet Corvette 13.2/109.3
    Acura NSX-T 13.3/106.7
    Toyota Supra Turbo 13.6/106.0
    Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 13.6/100.5


    Dry Surface Maximum Lateral G(g)

    Dodge Viper GTS 1.01 g
    Ferrari F355 1.01 g
    Porsche 911 Turbo 1.00 g
    Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 0.95 g
    Acura NSX-T 0.94 g
    Toyota Supra Turbo 0.94 g
    Chevrolet Corvette 0.93 g


    600-feet Slalom(mph)

    Dodge Viper GTS 73.6
    Ferrari F355 72.1
    Porsche 911 Turbo 69.6
    Acura NSX-T 69.5
    Toyota Supra Turbo 68.9
    Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 67.5
    Chevrolet Corvette 66.2


    0-100-0 mph(0-100/100-0/total time in sec.)

    Porsche 911 Turbo 9.4/4.3/13.7
    Dodge Viper GTS 8.8/5.1/13.9
    Ferrari F355 10.9/4.5/15.4
    Chevrolet Corvette 11.1/4.6/15.7
    Acura NSX-T 11.8/4.5/16.3
    Toyota Supra Turbo 12.3/4.5/16.8
    Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 13.4/4.5/17.9


    One-mile Acceleration(sec/mph)

    Dodge Viper GTS 30.6/169.4
    Porsche 911 Turbo 31.2/162.6
    Ferrari F355 33.2/155.2
    Chevrolet Corvette 33.4/152.4
    Acura NSX-T 34.0/150.2
    Toyota Supra Turbo 34.7/149.7
    Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 35.6/142.0


    60-0-mph braking(feet)

    Porsche 911 Turbo 111
    Ferrari F355 114
    Toyota Supra Turbo 115
    Chevrolet Corvette 116
    Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 116
    Acura NSX-T 120
    Dodge Viper GTS 129


    Road Course(sec.)

    Dodge Viper GTS 39.4
    Ferarri F355 39.5
    Porsche 911 Turbo 40.2
    Toyota Supra Turbo 41.3
    Acura NSX-T 41.5
    Chevrolet Corvette 41.7
    Mitsubishi 3000GT VR-4 42.3


    A dream huh? Here the Viper GTS Beat Almost Every Car, Including European cars, In Almost Every Comparison INCLUDING BEATING THEM ON A ROAD COURSE.

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    Actually, the rumor of the Viper's engine being that of a truck's is a common misconception due to the fact that Dodge was going to use the V-10 Ram engine, but it was cast iron, and redlined at 5000rpm. Needless to say, they scrapped that idea and built an engine from scratch. At the time they[Chrysler] owned Lambo, so they asked them to work w/ what the Chrysler engineers had made. Labo was sceduled to make 3-5 complete engines but only made 3 fragments, and that is when Chrysler & Lambo split up. From their Team Viper was created and they developed the engine by themseles. This is also why the early Viper wasn't to good because it was made by people with limited racing experience[guys from 'Vette Team]. Hope all of you know deter from stating the wrong myths of the Viper engine, and spread the truth.
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    id just like 2 say that this is THE best AMERICAN cars ever made, and i aint complain'n coz here in Australia there aint many supercars

    and u cant really call it slow when in 6th gear it can reach 265kph(165miles) at just 3250rpm, so b4 u go nok'n a car chek ALL the facts
     
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    THIS IS THE GREATEST CAR EVER AND NOBOY HATES IT


    :C :C
     
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    Thanks for the info. I do know in the LeMans the Vipers ruled the GTS class. Until they left for the LMP program. *sigh*. Also, in the FIA GT races, the Viper is right up there in the top echelon, beating Ferraris and Porsches left, right, and centre. There is also a Lamborghini Diablo SV that they beat the pants off of consistently. It's only competition comes from a 2-car team of Lister Storms. That and other Vipers...
     
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    It's easy to jibe at the Viper because it's American and it works and that just makes people jealous. I recently watched a video of a Viper GTS and Ferrari F355 and all I can say is that the Ferrari couldn't keep up!
    I'm British and I love it. As a piece of automotive engineering it's BRILLIANT!
     

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