Y R U all idiots?????

Discussion in '2002 Ford Focus SVT' started by plumber60, Dec 23, 2002.

  1. The Focus RS does not use a Zetec engine as it couldn't be called an RS. RS cars use Ford DuratecRS engines, and the Focus RS has 215hp front wheel drive and 0-60 in 6.4 with a top speed of 147mph, doesn't sound like much but in the dry it beats the Subaru WRX STi round any Track, admittedly it won't beat the Evo Vii round the same track but it'll come damn close!
     
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    lol....If you're so knowledgeable, when and where did the RS beat the STI??
     
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    this guy posted the same thing lol l a m o
     
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    Dont worry about it, he's an idiot. a 2001 STi has a skidpad rating of .94. The RS has a rating of .96, which is not enough to make any serious difference. An STi does 60 in 4.9 seconds, and the RS does it in 6.4. That does make a little bit of difference on the track. Just from the numbers, I think the only way the RS would win is if plumber60 was driving the subaru.
     
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    two corrections, the STI does 0-100km/h in 4.5.

    The STI is not designed to have a high skidpad rating (well it is actually, but that wasn't the focus, pun not intended<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>), it's designed to be controllable.

    Also, Skidpad rating isn't all that indicative anyway, A car could have a skidpad rating phenomenally higher than any other car, but it could also generate high g-forces at lower speeds if it has a lot of weight that transfers out when it turns, in other words, when there isn't much weight transfer, there aren't many G-forces generated, but the STI could still be accomplishing this at a higher speed even if its skidpad rating is lower.

    That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Focus RS holds the road better than the STI, however, I can guarantee that the STI is far more controllable, and that is what matters when you buy a high performance car. (when I'm driving 160 on my favourite road, I'd rather be able to control that 4-wheel drift around that gentle curve, rather than end up kissing the nearest tree, with my teeth sticking out the back of my head.
     
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    in my March 2002 Road & Track they compare the 350Z to other much more expensive cars (Porsche 911 Targa, Chevrolet Corvette Z06, BMW M3 SMG). we all know that the Z06 so i'm not going to type the times for it. the 350Z had the worst numbers of them all but at the track it was 4 seconds behind the Z06 and .04 ahead of the M3 and .74 ahead of the 911. so just because a car has it on peper doesn't mean that it still has it on the track
     
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    Um...could you elaborate on your point please? What you just said is well known, but why you said it is not clear.
     
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    Im all about the SVT vehicles , the lightning and cobra are supa tyte, but this thing is a PIECE, im sure its a step up from the regular focus, but its still ugly, ITS A HATCHBACK
     
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    looks better than the Mustang.........Ironic huh?

    Anyway, hatchbacks generally do better for rally racing (that is, driving fast over rough off-road terrain), so they can't be all that bad.
     
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    Did you know mustangs used to be hatchbacks?
     
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    Well the new style Trans-Ams and Camaros are hatchbacks. As well as the Celica GT-S and they are all desirable cars and good performers.
     
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    yeah i can agree with the trans am and the camaro.....but who the hell wants a celica gts?! and i dont think the focus would stand a chance aganst an sti on the track
     
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    This car kinda sucks. In my opinion. Should it really be on SuperCars.net though?
     
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    That is your opinon. My opinion is that your opinion is wrong.
     
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    lol i love that! thats great<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>

    personaly i think this site is trying to include more entuists cars as opposed to just exotics. i think its a smart idea and although the focus doesnt meet my def of a supercar, i still think it belongs on this site, it has a niche and its certainly earned its place in many peoples hearts, including mine.

    nuff said
     
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    I agree completely with Plumber on this one.
    The ST170 and RS Focus' both use Duratec engines and not the Zetec. Also If people want proof that the RS laps quicker then the Subaru Clitorus (sorry, I mean STi, it's just that every c*nts got one over here :D )Then it has been proved on 3 occasions I can quote, once at an airfield test circuit (unsure of name), once at Goodwood and once at Millbrook. Each time the RS consistantly lapped 2 odd seconds quicker than the Subaru.
    The 0-60 on the RS is 5.9.
    The other day a Scooby parked behind my ST170 and my personal opinion was that the ST looked better, probably because everyone drives turbo charged Jap Crap over here and they just all blend into one another after a while. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't say no to a nice Skyline but Scoobies are just too common.
    P.S. UK/European car design/racing/engines will kick the crap out of US crap all day long !!
    US philosophy seems to be 'whack a pumped up V8 in it and f*ck worrying about it having to go round corners'
    One of the only US cars I love is the Cobra, and where did u get the chassis for that.....Oh yeah the UK !!
    Where do most of your Indy Cars come from.......The UK !!
    Where does Ford send there cars to be modded up into something decent......The UK again !!
     
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    This one goes out to you ST170J, and in the case of the RS vs. STI I find it very difficult to believe, the STI is considerably faster in acceleration, and superior in handling, I know of ONE comparison between an Impreza and a Focus RS in which the RS proved to be faster, and that Impreza was a WRX and the RS only beat out the WRX because the WRX driver F@CKED up and spun out on one of the corners (remember, the Impreza's phenomenal handling isn't in how well it holds the road, but how controllable it is with or without traction). As for your "Quoted" comparisons, post the location, who was testing, and the article you read about it, I've heard numerous claims from die hard Ford and/or European engineering fans (remember, the ST170 - SVT - and RS are both European engineered) that the RS has beaten the STI around the track, but it always seems to be unsubstantiated. wierd huh?
     
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    Yes it is quicker in a straight line but round a track the RS beats it. I have quoted the circuits, don't know the drivers' names (but it was the same driver in both cars) and I did not pay much attention to where I saw it, but I know that I saw. It was also on a TV program here called 'Top Gear' where they have their own test track and the Scooby and the RS were driven by the same driver and the RS still came out on top. We can agree to disagree on this one as I am happy in the knowledge I have actually seen the proof and know I am right <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
    Straight line winner : Sti
    Circuit winner : RS
     
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    "Then it has been proved on 3 occasions I can quote, once at an airfield test circuit (unsure of name), once at Goodwood and once at Millbrook. Each time the RS consistantly lapped 2 odd seconds quicker than the Subaru.
    The 0-60 on the RS is 5.9." - You call this quoting??? any fool with a European obsession (or any other obsession for that matter) could make the exact same claim.

    "Yes it is quicker in a straight line but round a track the RS beats it." - I already addressed the speed around the track, did you not notice where I said the handling of the STI is phenomenally better?

    BTW - How many rallies have you seen in which a Group-N RS was - at anypoint - doing better than a Group-N STI? I keep VERY close tabs on rallying, and let me tell you that while on a few occasions the RS Foci came close (mainly on Tarmac rallies), I've not witnessed one that was ever running faster stage times.

    If you don't give me the episode, I'll have a look at the Top-Gear site myself, in case I missed that/those roadtest/s.

    Who knows, perhaps an RS did beat an STI around a track but that is by no means justification to make the blanket claim: "Circuit winner : RS", especially considering how many times I've seen vise-versa results from tracks and less-than-ideal roads.

     
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    We are talking about ROAD cars and not rally.
    The 0-60 time was in Evo mag so call the editor if you have an issue with it.
    Pick up any decent car mag and see what they say when comparing the handling on these 2 cars.
    I have seen many an expert opinion on these cars as a comparison and I think I will take their word over yours thanks.
    The Sti is a 10 a penny, see one (or two!!) in every street, non descript, everybody's got one, bit of Jap Crap. I admit when they 1st came out they looked good but now the market is flooded they have lost any value and anybody can get one. They have no credibility anymore.
    Hasn't the NEW WRC RS gone out and beaten ALL the opposition when it has been running properly ?
     
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    Group-N cars ARE road cars, in fact they generally suffer from slightly worse performance than their production counterparts due to additional weight.

    I never doubted your 0-60 time, though I have seen the RS do better than 5.9.

    Ever heard of Rally XS Magazine? It's THE rally magazine of North America. Guess what they have to say about the RS vs. the STI (they are the only North American magazine that has test driven the REAL STI, and not some WRX modified to have the same power as the STI)

    Last I heard from EVO magazine between the two cars, they said quite the opposite about the handling.

    10 a penny huh? s'funny, I dunno where you live (I assume in Europe), but around here, I've NEVER seen an STI in person, and I rally race regionally.

    I rarely take people who ever utter the words "Jap Crap" seriously, as they are generally under the age of 12 and are acting under so many years of some redneck domestic obsessed father, or they are an extremely nationality biased Automotive fan who never really looked any deeper than the unique body designs (which surprising as it seems, are generally very efficient aerodynamically) and outdated stereotypes from back when Japanese cars performed well, but had short-lived bodys. That's just like saying that current domestics can't handle or are gas guzzlers. Or like saying that European made autos are overrated, unreliable, luxury cars.

    Tell me, when did the STI first come out? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>

    Y'know, I know a fair few people in Europe, and they all seem to think the STI is an excellently designed car, likewise in Australia and New Zealand (where the roads are far more brutal than those in Europe. So do most of the more experienced Rally racers I've been around, including the owners of Total Motorsport (Canada's major Rally shop and equipment supplier). I'll let you know what I think once we receive it out here, but considering the superiority of the WRX over the Focus SVT (ST-170 in Europe) that I found once I had driven both vehicles, I won't be surprised if I find the STI to be phenomenally better than you claim. Just out of curiosity, have you even driven a Focus RS or STI? or even a WRX or ST-170 for that matter?

    Actually even when the new Focus RS WRC has been running properly, one of the two Subaru's have been ahead of Martin (except for Acropolis), and Citroen and Peugeot have been completely dominating most of this season (again with the exception of Acropolis). Between the RS WRC and STI WRC, the STI is a bit more reliable (RS has had one engine failure, while the STI has not), they've both had their small problems that typically befall such thoroughly developed rally cars. They both seem to perform equally as well, and that with the RS being more different from its production version than the STI - the WRC version of the Focus is AWD, while the production version is not. As far as Performance goes, the Focus seems to have a slight advantage in acceleration, while the STI has the advantage in both on and off-road handling.

    Ok, so, of 6 WRC events this season, ONE of the TWO RS WRC's did really well, aside from that, the RS's have averaged anywhere from 6th to 3rd, meanwhile TWO of the TWO STI's have averaged in the top four in all but two events. I'd hardly consider that evidence that "the NEW WRC RS gone out and beaten ALL the opposition when it has been running properly"

    Good try, but gain a little first hand experience before you go around fantasizing about the Focus RS. Bottom line is the RS has 3 inherent problems:

    1) it's only FWD

    2) the Weight distribution is poor enough to cause it to do a nose dive off every jump (ie: it's front-end heavy, which does allow the car to hold the road better, however it also affects the off-road handling, as well as the speed it can go through a corner on any surface)

    3) it doesn't put out nearly enough power for its engine size and Turbo boost level.
     
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    Group-N cars ARE road cars, in fact they generally suffer from slightly worse performance than their production counterparts due to additional weight.

    I never doubted your 0-60 time, though I have seen the RS do better than 5.9.

    Ever heard of Rally XS Magazine? It's THE rally magazine of North America. Guess what they have to say about the RS vs. the STI <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/wink.gif"></A> (they are the only North American magazine that has test driven the REAL STI, and not some WRX modified to have the same power as the STI)

    Last I heard from EVO magazine between the two cars, they said quite the opposite about the handling.

    10 a penny huh? s'funny, I dunno where you live (I assume in Europe), but around here, I've NEVER seen an STI in person, and I rally race regionally.

    I rarely take people who ever utter the words "Jap Crap" seriously, as they are generally under the age of 12 and are acting under so many years of some redneck domestic obsessed father, or they are an extremely nationality biased Automotive fan who never really looked any deeper than the unique body designs (which surprising as it seems, are generally very efficient aerodynamically) and outdated stereotypes from back when Japanese cars performed well, but had short-lived bodys. That's just like saying that current domestics can't handle or are gas guzzlers. Or like saying that European made autos are overrated, unreliable, luxury cars.

    Tell me, when did the STI first come out?

    Y'know, I know a fair few people in Europe, and they all seem to think the STI is an excellently designed car, likewise in Australia and New Zealand (where the roads are far more brutal than those in Europe. So do most of the more experienced Rally racers I've been around, including the owners of Total Motorsport (Canada's major Rally shop and equipment supplier). I'll let you know what I think once we receive it out here, but considering the superiority of the WRX over the Focus SVT (ST-170 in Europe) that I found once I had driven both vehicles, I won't be surprised if I find the STI to be phenomenally better than you claim. Just out of curiosity, have you even driven a Focus RS or STI? or even a WRX or ST-170 for that matter?

    Actually even when the new Focus RS WRC has been running properly, one of the two Subaru's have been ahead of Martin (except for Acropolis), and Citroen and Peugeot have been completely dominating most of this season (again with the exception of Acropolis). Between the RS WRC and STI WRC, the STI is a bit more reliable (RS has had one engine failure, while the STI has not), they've both had their small problems that typically befall such thoroughly developed rally cars. They both seem to perform equally as well, and that with the RS being more different from its production version than the STI - the WRC version of the Focus is AWD, while the production version is not. As far as Performance goes, the Focus seems to have a slight advantage in acceleration, while the STI has the advantage in both on and off-road handling.

    Ok, so, of 6 WRC events this season, ONE of the TWO RS WRC's did really well, aside from that, the RS's have averaged anywhere from 6th to 3rd, meanwhile TWO of the TWO STI's have averaged in the top four in all but two events. I'd hardly consider that evidence that "the NEW WRC RS gone out and beaten ALL the opposition when it has been running properly"

    Good try, but gain a little first hand experience before you go around fantasizing about the Focus RS. Bottom line is the RS has 3 inherent problems:

    1) it's only FWD

    2) the Weight distribution is poor enough to cause it to do a nose dive off every jump (ie: it's front-end heavy, which does allow the car to hold the road better, however it also affects the off-road handling, as well as the speed it can go through a corner on any surface)

    3) it doesn't put out nearly enough power for its engine size and Turbo boost level.
     
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    Yawn.
    I live up the road from a Grey Importer so seen enough to see me a lifetime !!
     
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    Well, I see too many Foci, but I don't think they suck (though I do think they are ugly). And whether or not you see too many STI's, you should still respect a car that is such a great design.

    btw - WTF is a "Grey Importer"?
     
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    since when does a focus rs beat an STI????

    i've only seen a rs beat a WRX...NOT AN STI.....NOT AN STI.....NOT AN STI!!!!!!!!

    ....beating an sti....hahaha
    i will believe it when i see it.

    do you have a link or something where i can see this stock focus rs beating not just a wrx but an STI?

    this thing is quite the piece of shit when it comes to performance(how does 0-100kmph in 8 seconds sound?) but it handles amazingly.
    if this thing had the turbocharger from the rs it would be an all round better car. the rs' differential which makes it so good on a track (not good enough to beat an sti though) also makes it useless on the road unless you like extremely twichy steering and heaps of torque steer. this thing doesn't have that differential but it does have great handling and nearly as much grip as the rs without the horrible on road conciquences.
     

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