2004 GTO vs. firebird in performance.

Discussion in '2004 Pontiac GTO' started by 2003 ss R, Aug 10, 2002.

  1. Re: 2004 GTO vs. firebird in performance.

    Not really. The Monaro body was designed by GM, so that makes the Monaro's design American.
     
  2. Re: 2004 GTO vs. firebird in performance.

    I am undecided.
     
  3. Re: 2004 GTO vs. firebird in performance.

    Whatever the performance, the Firebird looked much, much better.... those Australian GM dudes just dont know haw to design muscle cars...thing looks like a big nissan.
     
  4. Re: 2004 GTO vs. firebird in performance.

    I don't think it will have 385 hp. That would put it in Z06 territory.
     
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    Please specify the year of the Mustang Cobra you are refering to. Becuase the Trans Am have been better than the Mustang V6, GT and Cobra. with the Cobra, Ford needed to put a supercharger in 2003 to be faster than the Trans AM. In 2001, the Cobra, the same engine of the 2003 but without the supercharger, having a 320hp and 317.0 ft lbs of torque, was very slow comparing to the 1999-2002 Trans AM WS6, having a 325hp and 350.0 ft lbs of torque, and lets not compare the 2001 cobra with the 2001 firehawk, cause that's another matter. The GT not even in 2003 can be faster than the 1999-2002 Formula or Trans AM V8 310hp, and with the V6, well, since the Firebird got restyled in 1994, the mustang wasn't competition for the firebird, this car was more faster than the v6 mustang. the mustang having a 3.8L V6 engine having 145hp and 215ft lbs of torque was slower than than the 3.4L V6 engine of the firebird that had a 160hp and 200ft lbs of torque. In 1996, the firebird upgrade its engine making it a 3.8L V6 engine making it a 200hp and 225ft lbs of torque until its end in 2002. And the mustang 3.8L V6 made 190hp and 220ft lbs of torque in the last year. In Conclusion, the only o these three mustangs that is "faster" than the Trans AM, is the 2003 Cobra and it needed a supercharger to do it. But measuring muscle to muscle, the cobra without the supercharger, will be seeing WS6 exaust system all the road, and the 2003 cobra and a WS6 with the same supercharger of the Cobra, would be the same.
     
  6. Re: 2004 GTO vs. firebird in performance.

    Please specify the year of the Mustang Cobra you are refering to. Becuase the Trans Am have been better than the Mustang V6, GT and Cobra. with the Cobra, Ford needed to put a supercharger in 2003 to be faster than the Trans AM. In 2001, the Cobra, the same engine of the 2003 but without the supercharger, having a 320hp and 317.0 ft lbs of torque, was very slow comparing to the 1999-2002 Trans AM WS6, having a 325hp and 350.0 ft lbs of torque, and lets not compare the 2001 cobra with the 2001 firehawk, cause that's another matter. The GT not even in 2003 can be faster than the 1999-2002 Formula or Trans AM V8 310hp, and with the V6, well, since the Firebird got restyled in 1994, the mustang wasn't competition for the firebird, this car was more faster than the v6 mustang. the mustang having a 3.8L V6 engine having 145hp and 215ft lbs of torque was slower than than the 3.4L V6 engine of the firebird that had a 160hp and 200ft lbs of torque. In 1996, the firebird upgrade its engine making it a 3.8L V6 engine making it a 200hp and 225ft lbs of torque until its end in 2002. And the mustang 3.8L V6 made 190hp and 220ft lbs of torque in the last year. In Conclusion, the only o these three mustangs that is "faster" than the Trans AM, is the 2003 Cobra and it needed a supercharger to do it. But measuring muscle to muscle, the cobra without the supercharger, will be seeing WS6 exaust system all the road, and the 2003 cobra and a WS6 with the same supercharger of the Cobra, would be the same.
     
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    Keep crying about the supercharger, it's not going to change anything. But then, you think to yourself: "The cobra R isn't even competition for the Trans-AM". It's between the Firehalk and the Z06.
     
  8. Re: 2004 GTO vs. firebird in performance.

    LS-1's and LS-6's are made in, St. Catharines, ON and
    Romulus, MI. Corvettes are built in Bowling Green. Holden and Potiac are both divisions of GM, so don't bash the Aussie
     
  9. Re: 2004 GTO vs. firebird in performance.

    Actually, the only thing from pontiac is the badges and the grill, no cladding whatsover pal, looks slick and very clean. Power should be around 340hp, expect 0-60 in mid to low five seconds, with a top speed near the 150-160 range. I heard a rumor they will bring a higher performance GTO in the future from holden, which is a 500+ hp version. Can you say M5 territory? Oh...by the way, its a holden monaro.
     
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    You geniuses are all talking about how the GTO is going to be faster than a WS6 because it's lighter. Umm... no. The Monaro weighs in at 3615 lbs, the U.S. spec GTO's target weight is 3584 lbs. (pretty specific for a target weight actually). That mean the car weighs at least 200 lbs. more than a 4th gen F-body. Why don't you folks do some reading before you start shouting. Everyone knows that the 325hp for the last of the SS Camaro's and WS6 Trans-Am's was conservative so that Corvette owners wouldn't get pissy that a lower priced pony car was making as much power as their high dollar sports car. Rest assured that (in a straight line anyway) the GTO will not run with a top of the line 4th gen F-body. And it will definitely have a hard time keeping up with a Cobra, that's for damn sure. And to answer some questions, Bob Lutz himself said that a 400hp GTO for the GTO's second year is most likely good to go despite the whole Corvette issue. As for this whole GTO vs. Cobra thing. It should be noted that while GM listed the Cobra as one of the GTO's competitors, it also listed more upscale cars as it's rivals as well (namely the BMW 330Ci and the Mercedes CLK320).
     
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    Those are some nice points...just to add to one theing about the pissing and moaning Corvette owners, they dont have to worry to long for the C6 which will have closer to 500hp. So, no worries Corvette owners, ill buy my 400hp GTO and wait for you at the finish line. hehe <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    oh, by the way braddah man, those claimed horsepower numbers of 325 are not conservative, ive seen both an SS and a WS6 at the dyno, and horsepower was about 319 or so, confirming Chevrolets rating of 325hp. srry <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    Standard 98-01 Z28's (not SS's) and Trans-Am's (not WS6's) were rated at 305hp at the flywheel. When strapped to a chassis dyno, the cars registered some 285hp at the rear wheels. That equates to about 330hp at the flywheel. And this is for the standard Z28 and Trans-Am. The cars were put on the dyno by the guys at Car and Driver. It's a well known fact that the 4th gen F-bodies were underrated to keep Corvette owners from getting pissy.
     
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    You should also remember the the GTO is fully loaded no matter what. There is no light weight stipped model. Should we then compare it to a fully loaded Firebird or Camaro. When fully loaded they probably weigh about the same.
     
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    If the new GTO couldn't compete with a damn Firebird than it would be a piece of shit and not worth making. Firebird would be cheaper and faster. GTO would be pretty pointless. That's like making the mustang slower than the taurus in the ford world but making the mustang more expensive.... anyone see my logic? (If I have any)
     
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    Frankly, i dont see ur logic. Since the firebird is no longer in production, there is no need for it to be faster than the firebird. Also, ur analogy that making the GTO slower than the firebird would be like making the mustang slower than a taurus is propostorous. The taurus is not a muscle car for one thing, so thats an insult to the mustang. The mustang would be slower than my toyota prius for christ sake! There would be no problem with the GTO being marginally slower than the firebird. However, its doubtful, since the GTO has a "claimed" 15 horsepower more than the firbird. But, people know that the LS1 in the F-Bodies was a bit underrated. We'll shall see.
     
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    Holden (well actually HSV) are making a 7 litre monaro to sell for $215,000 australian or around $140,000 Us i think that converts to. Should have around 500bhp maybe more and is over 100kg lighter than the normal monaro
     
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    cool, i hope they bring it to the states
     
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    There was talk of the HRT 427 race car entereing le mans as the pontiac gto. I odubt that it will make it to the states because you already have the c5r
     
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    that is shit!!!
     

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    It would look better but the nascar cars really aren't what they say they are anyway, they modify the body so greatly that basically the stickers is the only difference, it would say GTO but would look the same.
    And for the guy who said this will do 6.6 seconds, well I have only one thing to say to that. WRONG!!!!! high fours or low fives stock. Plus there will be an engine option for a 402 hp LS6. That would be even faster, plus as another well educated member brought up, the gear ratios in the trannsmission and rear end will make a huge difference in performance.
     
  22. Re: 2004 GTO vs. firebird in performance.

    Yes, you can't compare it to a firebird. Especially since the trans am only has 325 hp. and this will have 405+hp.
     
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    There is already a 400hP Monaro but its not availible in the states yet and here in austrlia its badged as the HSV GTS Coupe and is according to Holden 'The Ultimate HSV vehicle.' yeh well anyway its got a LS1 5.7L V8 and as someone mentioned independant rear suspension.
     
  24. Re: 2004 GTO vs. firebird in performance.

    If you go to the Pontiac website, the new GTO has been upgraded to 350HP and 363LB/FT of torque. The 0-60 on this car is supose to be in the mid. to low 5 second range. The new GTO also won't have the 18 inch wheels that the concept had, it will have 17 inch wheels that look similar to the concept wheels.
     
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    this car was originally the hsv coupe gts..look in nfs:hp2 thats how i no..they r 100% similiar
     

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