Analize this about the engine.. (interesting)

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  1. #1 hondalover, Dec 5, 2002
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    3.6/V8/DOHC/400hp at over 8,000rpms. ALL THAT DIVIDED BY 2????????
    1.8/I4/DOHC/200hp at over 8,000rpms.

    But what's the real answer?? ......... 1995-2001 INTEGRA TYPE R (japanesse version) check this http and notice it:

    http://www.j-garage.com/1210.htm

    So basicalliy every piston of these two cars are the same size... (I'm not talking about bore and stroke, SIZE)

    - So honda builds the best engines in the world. They have the power of ferraris and they never give trouble to you, they are reliable... they just need to increase de cubic centimeters... Make a greedy V12 or V8... Imagine if they would put 2 S2000 engines on one... it would be a 4.0L V8 giving out 500hp (with out any turbo...)that would eat any corvette and many ferraris. But the thing is that sice they use very high and ultimate technology, the prizes would go very high and it is not worth it for Honda I think. If they were focused on sports cars, like Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborgini, etc. I think they would definitively do it. But they build Honda Oddeseys, CR-V's... And that's how they make the money. And their sports cars are very small engined and they also sell very good and they dont give problens to people and are bery cheap.

    share your comments-
     
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    Have you forgotten about the (rather old now) NSX?

    I'm expecting BIG things from the new model, whatever it will be packing.

    Remember that the NSX's are hand built in a special factory and they contained Hondas best technology of the day (a decade ago), so using the mass production S2000 as a guideline, the new NSX had better be a real ball tearor.

    Imagine, say a 4.5 litre V10 of about 450 kw's.
    Okay so a 3.5 litre V8 is probably more likley, it is withing Hondas capabilities to produce such an engine making, say 330-360 kw's, which is lineball with what the new 4.2 litre modena should be making.

    Interesting eh?
     
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    I think they should make a 4.0 litre V8. I think that would be enough. or 4.2..... (I don't work with kw's so I will talk to you abour hp...)

    I started this comment because many people talks shit about hondas and say "my corvette would smoke your honda" -Hey it would be a shame if your corvette would not beat a honda... come on... 5.7L vs. 1.6? 1.8? 2.0?? They always talk about torque and they say torque is more important than horsepower. Here I have an example: The Ferrari F50 is 4.7L right?? non turbo right?? A corvette Z06 or C5 is 5.7L that means one litre bigger than the ferrari, so that would afirm that it has more torque than the ferrari ok? But the ferrari has REAL HORSEPOWER and kills those corvettes, and I know that a Ferrari would cant be compared to a chevrolet or to a honda in prestige but Im talking about torque and horsepower. So I made this coment to explain these persons what Hondas really are... what would happen if honda would build a 5.7L V8?? at least 700hp. But as I say, honda also dedicates to built minivans, CR-V's and all those cars... so I dont think they will make one of these engines.. but they could.. Do you understand my point of view??

    By the way, I also LOVE Corvettes. But people make stupid comparisons.

    peace
     
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    The perfect sport car - japanese engine and italian design
     
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    LOL !

    sushi pizza !
     
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    Holy smokes I like that divide it by 2 that was great,and yes Honda
    makes great engines,espacialy their "V-Tec" system similar to Ferrari's variable valve timing.
    I wouldn't say"Honda builds the best engines in the world" but they build way better engines than American manufacturers that's for sure!
    High reving engines are #$%#ing awesome!

    E U R O~A N D~A S I A N~C A R Z~R U L E!
     
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    And the F50 costs only 10 times as much as the Corvette, imagine that.

    If honda were to build a 5.7L V8, well I would expect it would have similar output as the LS6, get worse gas mileage and be less reliable? Why? The Chevy small block has been around forever, and they've been improving on it continually.

    Take a look at the NSX. The engine has less displacement and MUCH less power, yet it weighs similar to the LS6, and get WORSE fuel mileage.

    Learn that Hp/L means nothing as well.
     
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    DAMN THAT KHARI IS SO STUPID..... you say that because you are american.... Im not asian and Im not american.... and hey you dont have a clue about engines and about the cost of the ferrari compared to the cost of the corvette, I explained I was not talking about that you moron.... danm you are so stupid, you must be a silly mom's boy.... I was talking about hp per liter.... and its a shame americans keep improving their f.u.c.k.i.n.g pushrods and dont go on to an other level. And Jap cars never fail man.... do you want an other example of hp/lt?? here you go sucker: Ford Focus SVT and the all new Honda Civic Type R: Both engines are 2.0L, the ford delivers 170hp and the honda 200. Go check out the roadtests..... or something more extreme, the Honda S2000 (240hp) it kicks the civic's ass....

    I know you are 100% sure I didn't lie so go visit a toy web or porn or something else but NOT CARS.
     
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    But then Ferraris and Lamborghinis would lose their coarse voice...
     
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    yes futureceo they would lose what they have gained over the past 60 years. I have a question 2 ask. Why does ever1 always have 2 diss american cars, a lot of good cars have come from america, and ford...lets see what i can brainstorm up hear, uhh, just a sec.....oh yeah saleen is american, what have they made thats impacted the world in a good way, the SR the S7, the S-351, then theres the koenigsegg, its a ford engine, the dodge viper, corvette and mustang are the only actually "muscle cars" left in the world, and, america started the muscle car age that got us 2 where we r today, look at this, no america and their cars, no other cool cars, and they wouldnt be like they are now...so before u go on about american cars sucking why dont u look at what they've done, and then speak...and if u still feel the same way thats fine but actually look at the big picture, not just the mini-van, which many other countries brands use 2
     
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    Ok kid dream over
     
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    Thats very true, from reading magazines and comparing figures i have noticed that the s2000 gets similar mileage to the Corvette of nearly three times the capacity(!). The LS1 and LS6 engines have no right to be as frugal as they are. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
  13. #13 F360RIDAZ, Feb 9, 2004
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    Re: Analize this about the engine.. (interesting)

    3.6/V8/DOHC/400hp at over 8,000rpms. ALL THAT DIVIDED BY 2????????
    1.8/I4/DOHC/200hp at over 8,000rpms.

    But what's the real answer?? ......... 1995-2001 INTEGRA TYPE R (japanesse version) check this http and notice it:

    http://www.j-garage.com/1210.htm

    "So basicalliy every piston of these two cars are the same size... (I'm not talking about bore and stroke, SIZE)

    - So honda builds the best engines in the world. They have the power of ferraris and they never give trouble to you, they are reliable... they just need to increase de cubic centimeters... Make a greedy V12 or V8... Imagine if they would put 2 S2000 engines on one... it would be a 4.0L V8 giving out 500hp (with out any turbo...)that would eat any corvette and many ferraris. But the thing is that sice they use very high and ultimate technology, the prizes would go very high and it is not worth it for Honda I think. If they were focused on sports cars, like Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborgini, etc. I think they would definitively do it. But they build Honda Oddeseys, CR-V's... And that's how they make the money. And their sports cars are very small engined and they also sell very good and they dont give problens to people and are bery cheap.

    share your comments-"


    NO, NO, NO, NO! Honda builds the best engines in the world? What kind of statement is that? Are you saying even better than AMG mercedes engines(Pagani Zonda)? Even the BMW engine that powers the McLaren F1? Just because that integra engine has the same hp/L as a 360 Modena, it doesn't mean anything. Anyways, what the hell do you mean by best engines in the world? True they are reliable, and true they are clean engines with good emissions ratings. But is that your criteria for best engines?

    You assume that it means that Honda can "put 2 S2000 engines on one...it would be a 4.0L V8 giving out 500hp..." WRONG! It's not as simple as that pal. It's not as easy as 1 + 1 = 2. As the engine gets larger, it gets harder to keep the hp/L high. So the fact that Ferrari 360 M has the same hp/L as an Integra engine that's TWICE as small only shows how good the Ferrari engineers are. Remember the ENZO too, with it's 6.0L engine and still managing 110hp/L.

    From your "analysis", a dodge viper is a crappy engine because of a low hp/L. WRONG! The viper creates not just massive amounts of torque, but massive amounts of USABLE torque. Remember, hp/L doesn't really mean much. Your comparo of the focus and civic type R fails to reveal any torque numbers. I don't know them, but do you happen to? Even if the focus has lower torque numbers, hp/L really isn't a good way to judge the performance of a car at all.
     
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    "They always talk about torque and they say torque is more important than horsepower."


    So then are you saying that horsepower is more important than torque?

    I bet you those high revving S2000s have lots of stress and have the potential for more wear and tear if you want to drive fast. Sure, they are fast, but they need high RPMs because of the little torque they have. I agree that Honda has a reputation for reliable engines, but any engine put to high RPMs will have more stress than an understressed torque producing V8 such as the Z06 engine.

    More torque means less shifting through turns. Less shifting means more speed because the clutch is engaged more than when you have to keep shifting in a high revving, low torque car.

    Whether hp or torque is more important, I honestly do not know. But I know that torque is important as I have shown in my case.
     
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    "...and its a shame americans keep improving their f.u.c.k.i.n.g pushrods and dont go on to an other level."

    Be careful what you say little boy. Pushrods power the mighty ZO6. They are cheaper to make, which can bring in more profits. Also, they make pretty damn good performance. Stop dissing on pushrods. Whether a car has a pushrod or DOHC engine, it's just a different design philosophy. America's muscle cars have pushrods and the vette is staying true to it's heritage. And who can argue with 405 hp and 400 lb ft. of torque? Yeah, that's right....I thought so.
     
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    "And the F50 costs only 10 times as much as the Corvette, imagine that."


    HEY Khari, NEVER EVER COMPARE PRICES between a Ferrari and another car. NEVER. The same goes for Lamborghini, Bentley, etc. So many people make the comment,"oh this car is way cheaper than a Ferrari and yet it performs almost as well or better."

    Remember, Ferraris are meant to be expensive! So in price comparisons, Ferraris will almost always lose in that category. You know why the F50 costs 10 times as much as the vette? Because it's meant for the ridiculously rich. So comparing a super exotic to an affordable sports car in pricing is idiotic in my opinion. Let me put it this way, a Ferrari just won't be a Ferrari if it cost $40,000 - $50,000(I'm not talking about old used ones). If Ferrari was cheaper, than everyone would be in one. But you forget, Ferrari = exclusivity. Price is not a good gauge of performance. The F50 should not be 10 times faster than a vette because it is 10 times its price. 'Nuff said.

     
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    Quote from Antidomestic:
    I wouldn't say"Honda builds the best engines in the world" but they build way better engines than American manufacturers that's for sure!


    That is subjective. What do you mean by better? If you are talking about reliability, then I would take the Honda....even that is iffy. Honda does have a reputation for reliability, but domestic assembly is becoming more effective and efficient. But is that all you are talking about?

    Is the Z06 engine, Viper engine, Ford GT engine, all crappy for you? They are American in case you didn't notice. Tell me, is there a stock Japanese engine that makes both over 400hp and 400 lb ft torque.....without turbo or superchargers? Japanese engines are built with a different philosophy: lots of variable valve timing and intake tricks, along with some excellent engineering. American engines use a different philosophy: there is no replacement for displacement. Both ways work, so why diss on any?

     
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    That's the one of the best things ive read on this site. I agree with you. Jap's and Yanks make 2 different types of cars. Personally i prefer US cars coz i like big engines but Jap cars have good reliability.
     
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    this ferrari is probably 1 of the best valued ferraris to buy instead of thinkin' your a rich person and buying an f50 or a enzo
     
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    lmao i keep notin when u say "rich person". this is like a Civic compared to a S2000 to normal folks.
     
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    did everyone fail to neglect the rpm the power is made, the honda has 1/2 the cylinders, 1/2 the poweer, 1/2 th capacity, so there fore the power should be made at 1/2 the rpm, it isnt, which means teh honda engine has to rev TWICE as hard to make the same power, plus u failed to mention torque figures. so ur argument is pretty pointless
     
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    Ok, lets look at the facts.
    Ferrari was originaly a motorsport company. To fund the racing effort they built road cars. Ferrari race design philosophy was simple: get as much power out of as little displacement as you can. This means a car with comparable amount of horse power to its competitors with better fuel economy. This philosophy was also in mind when they built their road cars.
    Honda has only been around for 30 years or so. They rely on small engines revving hard to get power. all in all i think that Honda has done pretty well as a company.
    Different company's have different ideas. The viper uses a large displacement motor not for power but torque. Ferrari (Enzo excluded) make a lot of power from small displacement by building a good engine.
    Honda makes power by revving a small displacement engine hard. This is fine as long as you can still make torque at these speeds. Pagani and Lamborghini both use large engines to make power and torque.
    I could go on.
    There are also three ways to make more power/torque from an engine.
    1. Rev it harder, as long as you can still make torque
    2. Put more air/fuel mixture into and out of it. This is achieved by increasing displacement, turbo and supercharging, Variable valve timing, free flow exhausts, bigger intakes, bigger fuel pumps, and bigger fuel injectors.
    3. Put an engine together so well that it extracts the maximum amount of power from each power stroke and to make the engine operate more effectivly as an air fuel pump. Put simply the engine can almost run itself.
    Different manufacturers use different combinations of these methods.
    Also, I personaly believe it is better for an engine to make as much power from as little displacement as possible and to make the car as light as possible. But I still love the Viper, Murcielago, Diablo, Enzo and the Zonda.
    We all have to learn not to disregard a car because it makes "crap" power from large displacement, or that an engine using a turbo charger lacks balls. We need to take the manufactures design theory into consideration, wether this means spending a lot on high presision engines or rely on proven tecnology that is cheap to manufacture.
     
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    personally i agree with F360RIDAZ pretty much on everything
    and something else
    ferrari is DA car
    sure its expensive but some models r just worth it
    like the testarossa 85 and maranello 575m (that one u can drive like a normal car without being agraid it will fall apart when u drive it through some crappy road)
    and the moron that started the shit about the hondas is well a moron
    u cant say what the best engine is cause they all have diffrent purposes but one thing said is mercedes r pretty good in general european manifacturers know what they r doing
    and american cars /the old ones that r like 4 collection and shit the whole trans em shit and all that/ they just suck the knw ones r ok some of them but put a cork in it i mean shit how big can an engine be at some point its just fancy
     
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    and I think you don't know shit about engine-making.... it is not just about welding up two instances....it's about internal dynamics, balance, acceleration of internals, kinetic forces...... what works with one layout, doesen't with the other...


    so going like: "honda builds best engines in the world cuz they COULD, in my stupid theory, make better engines than ferrari's" is the most stupid thing I've read here
     
  25. #25 fully hectic, Dec 8, 2004
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    Wth are you on about DOHC/2 = SOHC and 8000/2 is 4000. Who cares anyway stacks of cars have the same sized cylinders example 2.0L I4 and 5.0L V10.
     

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