auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

Discussion in '2002 BMW M3 CSL Concept' started by HotBoxer, Sep 9, 2002.

  1. #26 JaguarX, Sep 25, 2002
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    Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    jaguar did not solely design the chassis on the XK...it's multi-level chassis, used on various models
    It's even a Ford idea. But it has a pure Jaguar engine and powertrain, and the typical luxuries in a Jaguar.
    so you can say Ford designed the chassis on the XK, and the S-type, and the X-Type
    design the rest? well it's a Jaguar, but Ford did put some cents into it...is it solely designed by Jaguar, unfortunately no for those models. Base on your defintion, that makes the Jaguar X-Type, and the Jaguar XK an American car
    the S-Type also to some degree (joing Lincoln LS chassis and platform)

    the new XJ is the sure exception to this, for it has a newly designed and unique chassis done by Jaguar. The design is purely Jaguar, has Jaguar ditched the Ford plans. However again Ford puts its two cents in, whether big or small, good or bad...


    i have no argument saying BMW redesigned the car.
    base on the forum, people strongly believed its a UK car.
    go and read.
    i have yet to see an article saying the Mini is German.


    yes it's a joint venture, betwen Williams and BMW (sorry if i accidently said wilson)
    it says its UK flat out, WIlson is a UK company.
    http://svc157.bne079u.server-web.com/2002/teams/williams.htm
    my point is, it's not a stock BMW car
     
  2. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    dude you arent even understanding my definition, BMW desinged the whole car, therfore your comparison of the jag with a ford chassis and jag engine wont work.

    I never said the williams BMW car was a BMW.
     
  3. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    Man, I'm not going to read all this shit. You never have any real facts anyways, anytime I read them, and check them out, their wrong. So I've stopped reading them. Nobody here cares about Jaguar.

    Angus
     
  4. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    bmw didn't design the whole car...
    so it says in miniusam a subdivision of BMW helped mini designed it.
    i dont see anywhere on miniusa saying it's a German car, but i've seen numerous references to the UK
    car was designed in the UK
    built in the UK
    engine came from Brazil in a joing plant with Daimler - Chysler
    that's what said the Frequent Vehicle questions area of the Mini.
     
  5. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    i dont care what you think, you're the idiot who said Ford Stinks...
    i'm just proving you wrong, over and over again...
    so i'll give you the reader digest version.
    0-60 Mustang beats BMW
    luxury Jaguar XJ beats BMW
    Jaguar, Lincoln and Mercury is more reliable than BMW since 1997.

    and again, i'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong...
    last time i check Jaguar has a higher top speed than BMW,
    faster 0-60 in its performence version cars.

     
  6. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    Where were the mini cooper and mini cooper s developed?
    They were developed in the UK by the BMW group's development devision.

    Where were the mini cooper and mini cooper s built?
    Mini is built at the BMW group plant near Oxford in the United Kingdom.

    Taken word for word from miniusa.com, and those statements don't contradict what I said and they don't mention the new mini as being british.

    the fact the engine was a joint venture between BMW and Daimler Crysler and being built in Brazil shows that the mini is even less british. And I went through pretty much the entire site and not even in sentence do they say the new mini is british, stop making shit up.
     
  7. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    "0-60" Mustang beats BMW. Wow, thats a deep statement. So precise. So the 0-60 beats BMW. Beats them in sale? What? Thats possibly the most stupid comment ever. PUT IT IN CONTEXT.

    Who cares about 0-60 time?

    Angus
     
  8. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    you're the one, who made about 20 posts saying how important 0-60 is.... now its not?
    sales? hmmmm the mustang beats any model BMW in terms of sales
    it is a top selling car in the US...
    Ford is the second largest car manufacuter in the world, next to GM... and might be the first by next year...
    so sales go to Ford as well
     
  9. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    as i said, i noticed references to UK,
    but i can't find its German anywhere.
    Jaguar has a Ford devleopment division, basiclaly the "Luxury Group"
    Many jaguars are also built on Ford group plants...
    that's because Ford owns it, and therefore Jaguar falls in their group.
    Car is designed in UK, and built in UK.
    Mini has a long time heritage as UK.
    maybe you're right its not UK, but where's the proof that it's not?
     
  10. #35 JaguarX, Sep 26, 2002
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    Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    read this:

    Hello Russus. Thanks for writing into MINI.

    Let's see if we can clear things up for you a little bit.

    We get many questions regarding the differences between the MINI and BMW brands
    and makes. The answer is surprisingly simple. MINI and BMW are two completely
    different and separate brands and makes.

    The MINI Division, which is a division of BMW of North America, LLC, began
    distributing MINI motor vehicles in the United States in March of 2002. Prior
    to this time, MINIs had last been distributed in the United States in 1967.
    MINIs are supplied to the MINI Division by a MINI factory in Oxford, England.

    In addition, MINI has its own dealership network and staff. This arrangement is
    similar to other corporations, like Ford and GM. For example, Lincoln, Jaguar,
    Aston Martin, Volvo, and Land Rover are brands and makes that are all owned by
    Ford Motor Company, but they are not Fords.

    In short, MINI is a unique brand and make that has started with two models for
    the U.S. market—the Cooper and Cooper S. These are MINIs and not BMWs.

    Have you signed up for the mission yet? Why not? For details, please visit
    www.mission-mini.com.

    LET'S MOTOR.

    James Frost
    MINI Division
    Customer Relations
     
  11. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    Good try to make up for your mega stupid comment. I never said 0-60 was important, because its not. Its a small blip on the very large performance scale.

    Angus
     
  12. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    i say torque and hp is more important...
    and that jaguar easily beats BMW, virtually across the full line-up.
    bmw has weight, and therefore 0-60.
    there isn't much different in 0-60 to begin with either.
    and about weight, Jaguar isn't already taking care of that.
     
  13. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    that didn't prove either of us right, and considering that we are the only 2 people here who seem to care and neither of us can difinitivly prove eachother wrong I'm going to stop arguing even if you try to get the last word in.
     
  14. #39 HotBoxer, Sep 27, 2002
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    Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    http://www.supercars.net/Comp?sourceList=213&CompList=213-935

    http://www.supercars.net/Comp?sourceList=958&CompList=958-210

    http://www.supercars.net/Comp?sourceList=928&CompList=928-210
    _______________
    X-type:
    194hp
    180ft-lbs
    weight not found

    330xi:
    225hp
    214ft-lbs
    0-60 6.9
    weight 3483lbs
    _______________

    S-type:
    280hp
    205ft-lbs
    0-60 6.6
    weight not found

    540i:
    290hp
    214ft-lbs
    0-60 6.0
    weight 3748lbs


    these are all 2002 models. The jag's fall short but they are less expensive (slightly)

    there are of course special models but I'm not going to comare those because there is so much variation between the brands, and I'm sure there are jags that are faster than BMW's and obviously vise versa.
     
  15. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    i compared the 2003 models.
    2003 S-Type
    $49,975 MSRP
    4.2L V8
    300hp
    310 ft lbs
    automatic transmission

    2003 S-Type R
    $62,400
    390 HP
    408 ft lbs
    0-60 5.3 seconds
    automatic transmission
    * R only option is Navigation System, as the car comes fully loaded

    2003 540i 6 Speed
    $54,475 MSRP
    4.4L V8
    290hp
    324 ft lbs
    0-60 6.0
    manual transmission
    *price excludes Automatic Transmission $1,200 option

    2003 M5
    $70,545
    5.0L V8
    394 HP
    368 ft lbs torque
    0-60 4.8
    manual transmission
    *need to add Park control $700 and Premium Sound $900, to match equipment of the S-Type R, plus Automatic Transmission if desired

    they fall short because you're comparing auto to manual trannies, and the price difference is bigger, especially the M5 to the S-Type R. About $9,000
     
  16. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    basically it stated, that Mini is to BMW as Jaguar is to Ford.
    therefore it's UK,
    i'll try to get a definete answer from this dude, or whomever in customer relations
     
  17. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    I mean they fall short on power which I assumed you where comparing. I didn't find any manual options or numbers for the jags, thats why I didn't post any numbers.
     
  18. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    how can they fall short in power, when Jaguar have more HP?
    jaguar does have a manual transmission that they make, but do not sell as a normal option.
    the manual transmission has become special designed for special designed vehicles, a la: Arden, Paramount, and Silverstone.
    to note a 5 speed manual is still used for the 3.0 and 2.5 models
    for about $10K more, you can get an Paramount sport tuned S-TYpe.
    It'll have an F-1 push button manual transmission, and a tuned up of the engine with about 10-20% more hp.. Paramount offers the S-Type 450, 450 meaning the amount of HP it has. Also, there is a slightly modified exhaust, and added trim interior and exterior.
    why do i mention this variant?
    For about the same price as the M5, maybe a little bit more.
    You get a more luxurious car, a much powerful car, and 0-60 in the 4.7-5.0 range.
    Reasons why Motorweek, Motortrend and others preferd the S-Type R over the BMW M5. granted Performance was given to the M5, but the overal package including the concept of price belonged to the Jaguar.
     
  19. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    194 hp is the Jaguar x-type 2.5
    the 3.0 has around 240
    clearly the Jaguar has more.
     
  20. Re: auto car tested this the o-60 was 4.4sec

    this better for you:

    Hello again Russus. Thanks for replying back into MINI old chap.

    I am sorry that you didn't feel as though I answered your inquiry. Let's see if
    we can make it a little more clear. The MINI make is a passenger car that is
    extremely fond of fish and chips, the Queen, football (soccer) and a few pints.
    The MINI is undoubtedly English.

    LET'S MOTOR.

    James Frost
    MINI Division
    Customer Relations
     

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