Best rally car by far

Discussion in '2001 Peugeot 206 WRC' started by Bomberman, Aug 10, 2002.

  1. I am sorry I love the Impreza, Focus, and Evo too but i just dont think that they can cut it this year. Peugeot has a good thing going!
     
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    true but its only in the rally, all them cars slaughter the 206 on the road, its cos its had a few years development where all others keep changing! <!-- Signature -->
     
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    hey Impreza guy we got ur point. u don't have to go around telling that on the road bla bla bla!I hope Peugeot will make one road 206 super sport just so that u would shut up!
     
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    yes but they wont because it would turn out shite like the renault clio v6! wats your problem anyway?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    the Clio v6 is not bad at all:
    Engine:3l V6
    Horsepower:230 hp @ 6250 rpm
    Top speed:235km/h
    1000m :26.0 sec
    0/100 km/h: 6.1sec.
    And u shouldn't forget that it is small car (same class with mini cooper; vw polo; ...) it is not a mitsu lancer or impreza or octavia!
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from The Impreza is a ledgend</i>
    <b>yes but they wont because it would turn out shite like the renault clio v6! wats your problem anyway?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    New Clio V6 , will be released for the 1st time at the Paris motor show.
    270hp
    new gearbox
    improved suspensions
    electronically timited at 250kmh.

    bye bye impreza......
     
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    impreza does 155/6 mph so just got ya, its also gonna cost about £10,000 more than a wrx and be a shiteload less practical! so u still looe and will be slower to 60 and 100. like the old model its likely it wil still be heavier than the scooby to! anyway isnt only 270bhp from a 3ltr a bit crap!<!-- Signature -->
     
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    anyway thats a renault u silly tart! in case u didnt notice this is for the pug 206! but clio is still worse and its not in same class as polo, sport coupe puts it in same class as vx220 and elise where it, LOOSES!<!-- Signature -->
     
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    WHAT? wheres the proof of that, they have the best drivers but not the best car, they stole the best driver from subaru and thats why they are running away with the championship
     
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    First of all, a car is ONLY as good as it's drivers. What, you think these things drive themselves?

    Secondly (and I'm assuming the original poster means best of the CURRENT day WR cars, and not all time best) you want some proof? How about this then - since the Rally Monte Carlo of 2000 (when Peugeot became a full time team with the 206) til the latest completed rally, Cyprus 2002, Peugeot have:

    - Scored more points in total than any other team (by 81 points no less)

    - Scored more points on gravel than any other team (but only by 13 points)

    - Scored more points on tarmac than any other team (by a decent 74 points)

    - Have the third most amount of points on snow (only 13 points behind top team Mitsubishi)

    - Are manufacturer's champions of 2000 and 2001, a mere 100% success rate to date. And they are on target to win again this year.

    - Are 2000 driver's champions. And as late as Rally Australia, could've won it in 2001 as well, they probably would have too if either Gronholm or Rovanpera had a stronger start to the season. And they're on track to win this year.

    Even if you want to take into consideration the 1999 season, when Peugeot ran a limited number of rallies (much like Citroen at the moment), their record is still impressive:

    - They still have more points in total than anyone else, 10 points ahead of Subaru. Bear in mind too, that Peugeot only scored 11 points in 1999. Since Monte Carlo 2000, Peugeot have scored 285 points, whereas since Monte Carlo 1999 Subaru have scored 286 points!

    - They have the third most amount of points on gravel, only 5 points behind Ford but a pretty hefty 68 points behind Subaru.

    - They still have more points on tarmac than any other team (by 73 points).

    - They have the fourth most amount of points on snow, 4 points adrift of Subaru, 13 of Ford and a pretty decent 33 points adrift of Mitsubishi.

    I think the figures speak for themselves. Since becoming a full time team, Peugeot have annihilated the competition. They've scored more points than anyone else, are kings of tarmac, are just as good as anyone else on gravel (if not better) and are slowly improving on snow (this was the first year they scored at Monte Carlo). They have, to date, a 100% success rate in the manufacturer's championship and have almost had an equally impressive success rate in the driver's championship.

    Until someone beats them in the manufacturer's, then as far as I'm concerned, Peugeot and the 206 ARE currently the best. And they have the stats and the silverware to back that claim up. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
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    of the current rallycars it is the best due to its 3 years of development where subaru, ford, mitsi are all on new cars for this season.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    I don't know about you, but I'm looking forward to the Acropolis. That's when Pug brings out the new 206. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
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    You know, I've had a bit of a think about your '3 years of development' theory and have come to the following conclusion:

    It's a load of crap. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">

    Your asserting that because it's older than the rest, that's why it's the best? Excuse me, I'm sorry but in the cutthroat world of motorsports the older a car is, usually, the less competitive it is.

    Look at the Group B days for instance. Cars such as the 037 and Quattro/Sport Quattro where highly competitive, won championships, and were then rendered obsolete virtually overnight by the likes of the 205 and S4.

    Lancia introduced new versions/updates of the Delta just about every year between 1987 and 1992 and still managed to win 6 straight Manufacturer's titles. Subaru bring out new/updated versions of the Impreza nearly every year and continue to remain highly competitive.

    And let's not forget this either, both the Evo 6 and Ford Focus had a full season in 1999 whereas Peugeot only competed in 7 rounds (and only scored in 3 of those rounds and only got one podium finish). The Evo 6 was also used in 2000 as was the same model Focus, so why didn't either of them win either of the two championships in 2000? After all, they had a longer development period than the 206.

    Peugeot are winning because, in my view, they have reliable and talented drivers (McCrash could hardly be considered reliable) and a more professional attitude (biggest budget, runs three drivers in every round). Peugeot seem to want to win more than the other teams do, so they are winning. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from GroupBRules</i>
    <b>You know, I've had a bit of a think about your '3 years of development' theory and have come to the following conclusion:

    It's a load of crap. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">

    Your asserting that because it's older than the rest, that's why it's the best? Excuse me, I'm sorry but in the cutthroat world of motorsports the older a car is, usually, the less competitive it is</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Youhou I see we got a specialist here that is kicking ass. (No offence Impreza)
     
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    yeah u backed up what i said.
    pug had more development than ford mitsi so were better
    as for the older cars well thats a different matter alltogether<!-- Signature -->
     
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    "They still have more points in total than anyone else, 10 points ahead of Subaru. Bear in mind too, that Peugeot only scored 11 points in 1999. Since Monte Carlo 2000, Peugeot have scored 285 points, whereas since Monte Carlo 1999 Subaru have scored 286 points"

    Dont forget pug are using 3 cars compared to subaru!
    Where r u getin all these numbers from?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Umm, I'm not sure what you mean when you say I just backed up what you said. Let me repharse some of my comments.

    You are saying Peugeot are winning because the 206 has had a longer period of development than any of the other cars, right?

    I pointed out that going into the 2000 season both the Evo 6 and the Focus had a longer period of development than the 206. So going by your argument either the Evo 6 or the Focus should've won the championship(s) in 2000. But they didn't. Therefore your assertion is false.

    As for where I'm getting the figures from, it's not to hard to find the championship points tables for the past couple of seasons.
     
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    are u counting development as number of practice rallies,time(days) or miles covered and research done?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Well, all of those things. I mean, as far as I'm aware and I could be wrong, the Focus (and the Evo 6) had more miles and development under it's belt than the 206 (although probably not by much). And Ford have been involved in WRC non-stop since it's inception, whereas Peugeot dropped out after the Group B days and have only recently rejoined. Although Peugeot does have plenty of experience under it's belt through the French National Championship and F2 (the 106). It seems to me that, on paper at least, Peugeot should've been struggling to beat the more established teams (especially Ford) but that hasn't turned out to be the case.

    I don't necessarily believe the 206 is inherently better than any of the other top cars. I firmly believe that the Focus and Impreza are capable of delivering both championships. I just think Peugeot have the more professional attitude to the WRC, and that is why they are successful. Once the other teams approach the competition in the same way as Peugeot, the championships will become much more evenly contested in my opinion. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
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    yup<!-- Signature -->
     

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