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Discussion in 'European Cars' started by 993turbo, Jun 27, 2007.
How do you know it's fake aluminum?
Have you seen that R8 thread? Guibo, if you tell me I'm in the wrong, I'm literally gonna have to re-evaluate how I've interpreted the sets of facts.
You're wrong. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
knock on it and you'll know.
It's called "brushed aluminum" and not some crap like "Aluminum Look" for a reason. Don't you think?
<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/sad.gif"></A> Even when all I've really been meaning to say is that the R8 looks too TTish for a car of such astronomical price and that at the price comes dreadfully under-equiped? The whole "doesn't even perform as good" was an after thought and as it stands, isn't unproveable.
I'm gonna reread the thread as if I weren't in it in a week and see how it looks to me.
edit: I mean, consider at first I had to defend the underequippedness. I got all that out there, sourcing Aj and JC, and Audi. The the TTishness sourcing JC and indeed just personal experience and perhaps even you now, But then they insisted I defend the straight line performance of a similarly price car, which again was done through the autocar report and a set of videos, but then even that wasn't good enough cause in order for the TT to be under-equipped and TTish, the M6 somehow needed to be faster around a track, which I showed was a possible as it was not possible, and it still wasn't enough.
<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/sad.gif"></A> What part of this is wrong?
I reread that thread and asked myself: What part of it was right? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/tongue.gif"></A>
Seriously though, there are just way too many points I could address here but would rather not; I could do it in the other thread though.
The one part I think worth mentioning is that you did the same thing to the R8 that other asshats here have done to the 1 Series: You attempted to cast the R8 in an unfavorable light based on being underequipped (it's not) or somehow less worthy than the competition. Just like the ignoramuses that have dismissed the 1 Series on the basis of things like interior space or value-for-money, while ignoring the plethora of technical qualities (which few if any rivals offer) that the 1 Series brings to the market.
Yes, I suggest you reread that thread too.
I did too. but 1-series interiors looks even cheaper.
should just call it the M1/2
Car Magazine (+ other media pics):
So, is this the 1 that I want?
You betcha. When it arrives at the end of November, the 1-series Coupe - re-engineered from the ground up, powered a twin turbo engines and packing plenty of energy-saving technology will install itself at the top of the 1-series tree. Initially here will be three models, the 120d, 124d and the range-topping 135i, available in BMWs two familiar spec levels, SE and M Sport. Prices kick off at around £22,500 for the 12d Coupe in SE trim about a grand more than the five-door model, rising up to around £26,000 for the 123d and onto a £32,000 for the M Sport-only 135i.
BMWs gawky 1-series has racked up 390,000 sales since its launch three years ago, and now that the Coupe will also be sold in America, BMW is hoping to boost that figure to over half a million, helped by the upcoming convertible version which arrives in the autumn. The 135i Coupe will be an answered prayer for many buyers blanching at the thought of handing over £50,000 for the new M3. At £33,000 is not cheap for a small coupe, but theres arguably little else out there that delivers that kind of performance, dynamism and feel-good factor.
Its an odd-looking creature, isnt it
The 135i Coupe may not be the best looking car Bangles oddly incongruous mix of curve and line still takes some squinting to grow accustomed to but there's something fabulously desireable about its compact, squat stance. It's a striking bit of metal, hunkered down on big chunky 18inch Motorsport alloys with its standard body kit. BMW rather coyly call this a 2+2 rather than a full four seater. In truth, rear passenger accommodation is not that tight its ideal for parents with young children, but swallowing four six-footers calls for some serious acts of contortionism.
But forget the still-not-sure looks and check out the engine bay. Squeezed into the 135is nose is BMWs 3.0-litre twin-turbo straight engine, the companys most powerful six-cylinder engine on offer. Its the same engine thats installed in the 3-series and earlier this year picked up a gong for best engine of the year. In the 1-series line-up, it will be exclusive to the coupe.
So itll be a mover, then...
The direct injection 135i promises to be blindingly quick with 306bhp at 5800rpm and 295lb ft of torque that arrives at 1300rpm and doesn't taper off until 5000rpm. It will rocket to 60mph in 5.3seconds, needs electronic minders to limit it 155mph and like the 335i, is expected to deliver fiercesome mid-range acceleration. Economy will hover around 30.7mpg and it has a CO2 rating of 220g/km.
It also promises to be a scalpel sharp drive. Dr Dieter Konik, head of vehicle dynamics on the 135i project completely overhauled the 135i to put the driver first. We achieved a perfect fifty-fifty weight distribution by having a heavier rear end and using lighter metals up front, he told CAR. We also introduced new spring and dampers, redesigned the front anti-roll bar for sharper turn-in and widened the rear track by 20mm. And we worked hard on the electric steering to heighten feel and response, improved the brakes and recalibrated the traction and stability controls, so the driver can have a lot more
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fun. Both 135i and 123d get a version of BMW Motorsports electronically controlled limited slip diff.
Whats this 123d? Sounds like a car youd find on Sesame Street.
Dont snigger. While the twin-turbo straight six will get the knickers of most Beemer fans in a twist, the clever money will go on BMWs new 123d. This new 2.0-litre twin-turbo diesel with variable geometry technology develops 204bhp at a high-revving 4400rpm and a huge 295lb ft at 2000rpm. Thats the same amount of torque as the 335i. Like BMWs six-cylinder biturbo diesel, the biturbo diesel fourpot uses a smaller more responsive blower at low engine revs and a larger more powerful charger for higher revs. The result is a run to 60mph in seven seconds dead and a 148mph max speed, while still returning 54mpg on the combined cycle and posting a meagre CO2 rating of 138g/km.
The engine range is rounded up by the familiar 2.0-litre 177bhp/258lb ft turbo diesel already found in the three and five door 1-series. In the 120d, it returns 58.8mpgand 128g/km, touches 60mph in 7.6seconds and maxes out at 141mph. Both diesel get particulate filters as standard, and theres a choice of six-speed manuals or automatics for all three engines - on the 120d from the start and on the twin turbo engines later on in the year.
Anything else I need to know?
Yes. The 1-series coupe will also be the first model in the BMS family to tick every box in its Efficient Dynamics. So deep breath you get energy-saving powered steering, water pump and climate control that work on demand, auto-stop start on the manual transmission versions and regenerative braking that decouples the alternator under power but recharged the battery when braking or slowing. BMWs thinking on this is clear better to have a smaller incremental savings on a vast number of cars than just one or two ultra-economical but slow-selling cars with limited outright appeal.
The 135i will be a very tasty car, but thats as tasty as it will get. BMW has categorically ruled out a hotter Motorsport version, probably because it would pose a badging problem (the M1 holds a very special place in Munichs heart) and it would also step on the toes of the M3.
"Both 135i and 123d get a version of BMW Motorsports electronically controlled limited slip diff."
That's good news.
DO WANT RED VERY MUCH
Actually, I think I want the little diesel more than the 135i.
The argument became about justifying the price of the R8, but this should really be in the other thread.
This is essentially the M version of the 1 series. The only think it lacks is an LSD IMO. Man what a perfect car. Its good to see BMW go back to its roots after all the high tech festival that is the M5 and M3.
It does get one!
Sadly, as the idea of a M10 shrivels up, the hopes for a iron block NA tuner M shrivels with it.
kinda like porsche treats the cayman/boxster... bmw wont build an m1 because it just might eclipse the more profitable/iconic m3. pretty sad..
Plastics are inherently a cheap product. Saying its cheap is like saying birds fly.
Plastics are inherently a cheap product. Saying its cheap is like saying birds fly.
How can something so good be so ugly?
Agreed, the diesels will be impressive. 0-62 in 7.6, top speed of 141, 58.9 mpg (combined, imperial), and 128 g/km of CO2. All in a RWD package with near 50:50 weight distribution.
I will decide on it when I see in person ...
Oh yes, I do like that.. Oh yessss..... Ohh...... Work it on down me.. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/amazed.gif"></A>
I don't, looks like a chode car..... now the late 90s M3 roadster/hatch was badass
WHAT? 60mpg??? Amazing! And still does o-100 in 7.6, that's extremely impressive.