Do Dodge's suck offroad?

Discussion in 'Trucks and Motorcycles' started by Endlesstower, Oct 1, 2006.

  1. I was just thinkin, I have seen countless lifted Ford's and Chevy's, coated in mud, or getting ready to be. But I have only ever seen one lifted dodge, and it was a show truck.
     
  2. Dodge Power Wagon. Therefore, no.
     
  3. #3 DrifterB2W, Oct 1, 2006
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    Were do you live? Look at any offroad mags in the past few decades? Lets see.. father has ram with rancho lift dual exhaust, neighbor has one, the neighbor further down the hill had a HUGE lifted ram.. thats all with in a sqaure 1/4 mile. around my college i see lifted diesel rams mud chucked all the time.

    Thing is Dodge offered solid front and rear axles in the ram (from 1500 and up..) giving it a pretty good advandage for offroad and upgrades.. actually they have been offering it until the new generation, were you have to upgrade to a 2500 to get an AAM solid axle. But still with the chevys.. you cant get one.
    fathers coworker had a beutiful lifted 80's D-150 but traded it even up for a '96 ford (the guy he original got the truck from, the guys kid wanted the ram because he didnt want to learn to drive on a stick.. which sounded dumb to me)

    infact take a look at pavementsucks.com and tell me who has majority rule.. http://pavementsucks.com/gallery/rides.php

    (also hard to ignore that the other 2 outsell underdog-Dodge)
     
  4. #4 lucky strike, Oct 2, 2006
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    http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2006/02/27/211958.html

    While the Power Wagon feels sophisticated, even tame on the highway, once the front tires touch dirt or rock its manners change abruptly. All the softness is overlaid by a very stiff and capable suspension. It instantly feels like a truck, a fiercely competent vehicle capable of climbing or traversing any obstacle it’s width and height can manage. Once the 4x4 system was engaged, our testing on deep sand and sandy hillsides was only limited by traction from the standard BFG LT285/20R 17 all-terrain tires. Knowing steel plates protected the transfer case and fuel tanks made our enthusiasm worry free, as did rugged front and rear jounce bumpers. Controlling the 35 mm front and 25 mm rear springs are Bilstein monotube dampers. And the custom Warn winch, rated at 12,000 lb (5443 kg,) and built-in tow hooks ensured we wouldn’t get stuck anywhere in our private off road park. You can approach most obstacles with no worries, there’s over 8” (200 mm) of ground clearance front and rear and a forward approach angle of 35°, 26.5° rear makes rock crawling safe and easy. Even easier once you uncouple the front anti-roll bar to improve traction.
     
  5. #5 subaruguy, Oct 2, 2006
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    Sounds like he lives in western Canada. I only seen one dodge in the bush and it was 3500
     
  6. Nope I live in upstate New York. Dodges everywhere, none lifted.
     
  7. Dodges arent used often because their build quality and durabilkity isnt as good as Fords or Chevs. Especially in the older trucks. They do better off road than fords but they get damaged easier. Body panels get sheared off easier etc. They have very good off-road suspension, but the body doesnt keep up. Chevs are the best off road cause they are durable powerful and are nearly impossible to get stuck, Fords suck off-road but they are stupidly cheap to lift and maintain, dodges are good off-road but they break really easily.
     
  8. #8 DrifterB2W, Oct 7, 2006
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    i cannot tell wether you are serious or not.. for one new chevies actually suck offroad. They use AAM independent suspension which is notoriously week (if you have ever seen fourwheelers quadrasteer project they had to replace axles because they were affraid of the tiny tie rods snapping.. plus they wanted to replace entire front end anyway because it was independend.. cant get much articulation with that)

    Realy the 3 are pretty close other wise (all 3 used Dana axles early on but later switched to AAM). They now all use independent suspension in 1500/150 series of trucks (however as i said chevy uses it in all their trucks). And build quality is damn good in rams. Only problem i recal was with early 1500. It could get stress cracks in frame after hard use.. and from personal experiance 56RE auto tranny aint that great either..

    As for body panel sheer thing... you lost me.. trust me, when it comes to metal versus a boulder, the hunk of rock is going to win no matter what. But if your not affraid to scratch, it doesnt matter.
    http://pavementsucks.com/gallery/viewride.php?ride_id=66
    http://pavementsucks.com/gallery/viewride.php?ride_id=71

    lookin through PS .. finding it hard to find a new dirty chevy.. a couple smart asses labeled their dodges as chevys.
     
  9. #9 DIGGS, Oct 7, 2006
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    I am dead serious. Chevs are awesome. They do have a few weak parts in their front suspension, but very easily replaced and most people, smart people anyways replace all weak suspension parts if they are building off-roaders. The reason most dont see new chevs off-road is because they are too damn expensive for most people to buy for that purpose. As most "Off-roaders" are fairly young. My family runs a forestry company. We swear by Chevy for their durability. They are by far the best built american truck out there. Dodge have a very good off-road suspension but as an example we have a 2003 Ram 2500, and six months after working it both front quarter panels sheared off the truck just fromt he constant bumping and vibrations of driving in the bush. the little tabs that bolt to the frame itself stress cracked and sheered and they are major gas guzzlers. Fords are notoriously un-reliable in the bush(new trucks) they constantly break down. BUT they are dirt cheap to buy and repair so that why there are so many used as off-road machines.

    Older trucks are a different story, well sort of. Old Chevs are still the best off-roaders. Like an old K15 or something would rule any new truck off-road.


    Edit: Basically my answer to the topic title is no Dodges do not suck off-road but there are definately some reasons why most choose other brands.
     
  10. i know FAR more people that offroad dodges than chevies (most chevies i see are Mall Cruisers), and have never heard of a panel sheer off like that in my life.. my dads truck was even used to push a stuck truck infront of him.. and no sheering. It did break a plastic tab on the side but its riveted now.

    And old JEEPS offroad better than anything.. their parts availablility is GIGANTIC and CHEAP and they are DURABLE. I remember way back in auto shop in high school a guy brought in a cj scrambler.. which are pretty rare.. we took offf the heads and noticed it was actual running with mud in the cylinders<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>. Even if you dont like anything on a jeep there are a thousand of kits to replace it.. engine swap, axle swap.. and there is also the ramcharger, early pickups of all 3, early (66-77) broncos (and later), amongst others.

    And I also know more older dodges that wheel than chevies.. i see more muddy toyotas than i do chevys actually (actually there is a small toyota offroad group around my college, has a few jeeps that tag along to).

    And trust me there is a lot of expense in replaceing parts like IFS..

    fact is chevy has been abondoning offroad.. while dodge and chrysler have been embrasing by releaseing vehicles locked and ready to rock.. and not abondoning the old faithful solid axle.

    edit- it wasnt a Cj-8 Scrambler i believe it was a commando, it had a raked back.
     
  11. holy crap. mud in the cylinders?
     
  12. I would love a lifted Ford with a Powerstroke for offroad. Actually, for an IDEAL truck, Chevy truck body, lifted, micky thompsons on it, with a powerstroke. Hell yeah...lol. I'm not big into off roading i was just curious.
     
  13. if you were serious about wheeling you would have said cummins <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?displayFAQ=y"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="pitlane/emoticons/wink.gif"></A>
    (actually even ford offers CTD in f-650+..) (i have seen them droped in everything from jeeps to hummers.).. i think it was trail ready that had a big offroad suburban that had a CTD transplant.. was pretty cool.. they had a spanky new dualy ram diesel to, had all their road armor crap on it.
     
  14. I like Cummins, the older ones. They're all mechanical, the new ones have too much computer shit. I like the powerstroke because its a HUEI engine, reliable, and easy to upgrade and work on.
     
  15. the new diesels are all computerized.. you can plug a power programer in most of them and get 100+ horsepower.. and the computer is pretty simple, thats why people love to swap them around.. and its hard to get any easier to upgrade than a cummins. Ever been to a tractor pull?..their mods usually consist of open exhaust and giant turbo setups. But yes some do prefer the older 12v over the new 24v.. but 24v customs are the strongest ive seen. Reliability? A LOT of CTDs over 400k..

    and HUEI is one of the things that has been plagueing PS thanks to silcon leaks when some people assemble the engines.. makes it go kapoot since it cant build its pressure.
     
  16. Some people reassemble them, who have no idea what they're doing. I've rebuilt many a powerstroke with no problems.
     
  17. #17 DrifterB2W, Oct 9, 2006
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  18. Dodge's suck period; onroad, offroad, in the abyss, and in outer space, no way around it
     
  19. #19 victorbrad, May 27, 2010
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  20. Jesus this thread hurts my head.
     
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  23. in the 3/4-1 ton market, dodges dominate the offroad scene. They have the most capable suspension by a long shot. In moab, UT my truck did remarkably well. Went up obstacles that rubicon jeeps with 33" tires couldnt do. for a truck with a 2" lift and 35" all-terrains and open diffs, thats quite remarkable.
     

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