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Discussion in 'Motorsports' started by ajzahn, Sep 2, 2008.
Kimi was ahead, so the racing line was his.
They where sideby side when they entered the chikane Kiki should have given him more room.
Have a look again, Hamiliton was fractionally ahead before Kimi locked a wheel therefore making Hamilton cut across the corner. He then let Kimi past fair and square.
Besides, it's a f*ckin' race! Gilles Villeneuve is probably turning in his grave regarding this decision.
That was when F1=racing and winning races on the track.
I so agree with everything Clarkson say in this video.
Edit : When things like this incident happens in other race classes, it's called race incident.
But nowadays money and not racing is the most important thing in F1.
That was when F1=racing and winning races on the track.
I so agree with everything Clarkson say in this video.
lol you must be high off your ass. Kimi clearly has the inside racing line.
Glock receives time penalty, loses point
Stewards in Belgium have handed Toyota�s Timo Glock a 25-second time penalty for overtaking under yellow flags during Sunday�s race. The ruling means Glock, who had finished in eighth, has been reclassified in ninth.
Glock is understood to have passed Red Bull�s Mark Webber during the final moments of the Belgian Grand Prix, even though yellow flags were being waved following Kimi Raikkonen�s accident in the Ferrari.
As a result of the penalty Webber is promoted to eighth in the Spa results and takes the point. (Formula1.com)
How can he have the jump on him when Kimi was accelerating out of the corner and Lewis had to back off ? Lewis didn't get back on full throttle until Kimi went past him metres out of the corner.
Basically, Kimi should have been at full throttle for longer down the pit straight and had the run on Lewis but he was out-manoeuvred going into the hairpin.
LOL, They where side bye side when that's the case both drivers must give each other room, It has nothing to do with the racing line.
Kimi braked latter hence was ahead in the corner, hence the line was his. And this was the only statement I said. I didn't said that anyone did anything wrong. In fact I disagree with the penalty.
Iive been saying on this forum from quite sometime that F1 has become too politically correct, when we want to see some good old fashioned rivalry.
Raikkonen defended his position properly. Hamilton did worse things in Hockenheim this year and nobody complained.
Hamilton created himself a nice passing opportunity by cutting the chicane. That's why he got penalized.
McLaren's Lewis Hamilton was stripped of a dramatic victory in the Belgian Grand Prix after stewards handed him a 25-second post-race penalty.
The Englishman was demoted to third place behind Ferrari's Felipe Massa and BMW Sauber's Nick Heidfeld.
He was accused of gaining an advantage by cutting the Spa circuit's Bus Stop chicane in a late-race battle with Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen.
Hamilton's lead over Massa in the title chase has been cut to two points.
Massa's team-mate Raikkonen, who crashed out of second place shortly after losing the lead, is 19 points behind Hamilton.
Raikkonen is a point behind BMW Sauber's Robert Kubica.
Before the penalty, Hamilton had extended his lead over the Brazilian to eight points, with Raikkonen effectively out of the running on 23.
On the track, Hamilton had survived a frantic last two laps in a late shower of rain to apparently score a superb win.
Hamilton lost the lead to Raikkonen with an early spin but fought back in the closing laps to re-take the lead with two laps to go.
In a dramatic climax on a soaking track, Hamilton passed Raikkonen, lost the lead again with a spin, re-took it and then saw Raikkonen crash.
In a chaotic final couple of laps, Heidfeld jumped from eighth to third place on the track with what he called a "hero or zero decision" to come in for wet-weather tyres with two laps to go.
Renault's Fernando Alonso chose the same tactic a lap later and it secured the double world champion the fourth place he had held for much of the race.
"It was an experience and a half," Hamilton said before his penalty was announced. "I was praying for rain. I wanted it to come because I knew how to deal with it.
The heavens opened and I saw Kimi begin to back off and to brake a bit earlier.
I was going reasonably wide at Turn 12 but Rosberg spun and went off where I was coming back on. I went over the grass. It was incredibly tough.
Kimi pushed me wide. I was a little bit ahead. I was outside on Turn One, I had no room and he basically pushed me so I went on the escape route.
So I let him past, then got in his tow and he was ducking and diving left and right but I managed to get past him and I was pretty much gone from there."
Lewis Hamilton lost his lead in the Belgian Grand Prix with this spin on lap two
Hamilton fought back from this early spin to win in dramatic fashion
It was another superb performance in the wet from Hamilton, who has inherited Michael Schumacher's mantle as Formula One's rain master.
But for a long time it had looked as if the Englishman had tossed away his chance of victory on the daunting Spa-Francorchamps circuit.
The race started with the track wet in the immediate vicinity of the pits but dry on the majority of the lap.
Hamilton, along with every other driver in the race other than Renault's Nelson Piquet Jr, chose dry tyres.
But the conditions caught him out at the start of lap two, and he spun turning into the La Source hairpin.
The mistake put Raikkonen right behind him and the Ferrari driver simply drove past on the straight after the Eau Rouge esses.
It was a critical error from Hamilton, who was fuelled to make his first pit stop a lap earlier than Raikkonen.
That meant his main hope of holding off the Ferrari driver was to build a lead big enough before his stop on lap 10 that Raikkonen could not close it on his extra lap.
Instead, although Hamilton shadowed Raikkonen to the first stops, he could not pass him.
Hamilton's hopes were further dented when he came out from his pit stop right behind his slower team-mate Heikki Kovalainen, who was battling for position with Kubica.
By the time he had cleared Kovalainen and Kubica five laps later, Raikkonen was five seconds ahead, a lead he was able to maintain comfortably to the second round of stops.
The two men both made their final stops on lap 25 and on the harder tyre Hamilton was able to close on the Ferrari.
The 23-year-old shaved about half a second a lap out of Raikkonen's lead and was within two seconds of the Ferrari by lap 31.
He was unable to make much more of an impression until the predicted late shower of rain arrived with about five laps to go.
Within minutes, the back of the circuit was soaking, while it remained dry in the vicinity of the pits - not an unusual situation at a track renowned for its capricious weather.
Hamilton closed right up to Raikkonen on lap 42 but he fatefully cut the Bus Stop chicane after pulling out of a passing move at the end of the lap.
He then chased Raikkonen down the pit straight and passed the Ferrari going into the La Source hairpin at the start of lap 43.
But that was not the end of the battle.
When the two men reached the wet part of the track halfway around the lap, Hamilton slid off, handing the lead back to Raikkonen, who almost immediately lost it again by sliding off himself.
The Finn then lost control going through the fast Blanchimont corner, and speared into the wall.
But the drama had not finished, and was merely switched to the stewards' office.
Their decision is likely to be greeted with cynicism as it makes the championship battle dramatically closer at a time when Hamilton was beginning to look like he was inching towards his first title. (BBC)
I guess we see things differently, And I agree Hamilton have done bad things too.
But what I don't like is the way race winners are decided in F1 nowadays.
And if you look at the video Hamilton did let Kimi pass him, Before He started racing again.
How exactly did he create a passing opportunity?
For a start he was all over Kimi then he lets him have the place back just to avoid any possible penalty. As Vantage just said, Kimi had the momentum by overtaking Hamilton, he was well over 1 full cars length in front before Hamilton started to try and overtake again.
It's a joke!
You really don't gte it.
Let's say that Hamilton was 2 seconds behind Raikkonen before the chicane. Hamilton brakes too late and cuts the chicane and ends up being in front of Raikkonen. He let's Raikkonen pass but then he overtakes him in the first corner. Following your logic,that's a perfectly fair.
That's not exactly the case and what happenend was no different. Hamilton was able to overtake Raikkonen BECAUSE he cut the chicane.
Raikkonen would have been well ahead of Hamilton if Hamilton didn't cut the chicane.
It doesn't matter if Hamilton was all over Raikkonen or not. There are many examples of slower cars finishing in front of much faster car.
Whoa I'm sorry but that's just b*llo*cks!
Don't make up your own scenarios, Hamilton was level at worst with Kimi going into the chicane. He cut the corner to avoid a collision.....that's what the run-off areas are for
Kimi had a speed advantage and therefore momentum by overtaking Hamilton, how could Hamilton possibly have an advantage by slowing and letting someone past? Were you expecting him to drop 10 cars lengths behind?
"Hamilton was able to overtake Raikkonen BECAUSE he cut the chicane."
How about "Hamilton was was able to overtake Raikkonen BECAUSE he could handle the conditions far better"
How did you come to that conclusion? If Hamilton hadn't cut the chicane then surely he'd have been up Kimi's gearbox within a matter of milliseconds?
Didn't the proceeding lap tell you anything about how the cars and drivers coped with the conditions? I still think they're picking pieces of Kimi's Ferrari out of the wall as I speak......'nuff said!
Because Raikkonen would have accelerated out of the last corner much sooner and also better if Hamilton remained on the track.
Raikkonen was barely in front of Hamilton before the braking point of the first turn. So he didn't actually slowed down that much.
Alonso did the same thing to Klien 2 years ago in Japan. Alonso was something like 5 seconds in front of Klien when the stewarts forced Alonso to let Klien pass him a second time.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the racing line... at the chicane, they were side by side, and hamilton was on the outside... tell me 1 reason Kimi should have yielded when he has the better racing line?
That is absolutely #$%#ing ridiculous.
Kimi DID accelerate out of the corner sooner - why would he not have ? He was on the track and would have got back on the power just like every other time he'd been through there.
Lewis rejoined the track after the corner AND had to bac off to let Kimi past. Kimi would have went past him accelerating at full throttle THEN Lewis would have got back on the power. There is no way Lewis had the advantage coming on to the start-finish straight.
Yes,Hamilton had an advantage because he was a lot closer to Raikkonen than he would have if he stayed on the track.