i beat one

Discussion in '1994 Ford Mustang GT' started by 2000v6, Aug 9, 2002.

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    Why is it dissapointing?

    Nissan makes a car for 45k dollars that puts out 450hp, runs the quarter in high 11's, and won 93% of all races it has EVER entered requiring stock production vehicles. Has the Z06 done that? No. Not to mention, unless you live in a Southern state, you have to put the car away for four months. Doesn't that suck....

    The Z06 does not "hang" with the NSX. The Z06 is a cheap go-fast car. That's all it is. It has neither the aire, nor the luxury of the NSX.

    I have NEVER seen a time less than 12.7 for the Z06 by any non-biased major magazine in the quarter-mile. If you have seen a 12.4....POST IT.

    Not only did R&T and C&D NOT get 12.4 times...they said it would be IMPOSSIBLE to do on street tires.

    By the way...why is it the Corvette participates in the GT300 in JGTC instead of GT500 with the big boys?


    As for ability....the 320HP GTR runs the 'ring in 8:22, wheareas the 350HP C5 does the same in 8:40. That's a 20 second difference. Do you really think the Z06 with less power than an N1, both with further tuned suspensions is going to keep up on the 'ring? I don't think so. What's the difference in skidpad between the C5 and Z06?... .08g It sticks to the road a little better than the C5 and it has 50 more HP.
     
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    For the last time moron, we don't care about what Japan has, I can't buy that car here now can I?

    "Not to mention, unless you live in a Southern state, you have to put the car away for four months. Doesn't that suck...."
    Why would you have to put it away...? I see lots or rwd cars in winter here in PA, why should the vette be any different? That's also a very weak argument since there are many other cars (both imports and domestics) that are rwd...weak.

    "The Z06 does not "hang" with the NSX. The Z06 is a cheap go-fast car. That's all it is. It has neither the aire, nor the luxury of the NSX."
    The aire...uh huh. So just because the NSX is $80,000 it has a certain luxury about it. Sorry, but it was meant to be a sports car, and being beaten by a cheaper American car doesn't look good does it.
    I could car less about the "aire" when buying a car to race. The vette isn't meant to be a luxury car (and you're moron if you think the NSX is one, lol).


    "What's the difference in skidpad between the C5 and Z06?... .08g It sticks to the road a little better than the C5 and it has 50 more HP."
    You really don't know anything about the z06 do you...lol...

    I'm really tired of reading your shit, I mean really tired. Go away.



     
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    You're probably tired because I bring experience and facts to the table where you bring.....nothing save opinion.


    You should care that you are basically getting gouged by American car companies who are able to sell you a better, track oriented vehicle for less than they are now. That is the simple point.

    The NSX is called by most magazines a Luxury vehicle (just as the much cheaper M3, Boxter S, etc etc). It was designed in the likes of the Ferrari 328 GTS....are you going to tell me the 328 is not a luxury car? Look at the Ferrari 348TB...hmmm STRIKINGLY similar...Are you going to tell me it's not a luxury car? And something else, a high performance, handbuilt sports car made of primarily aluminum doesn't signify luxury?
    The Vette is not called as such because it doesn't offer the refinement of the other vehicles....it's (as I said) a "cheap" go-fast car. It's practically made of plastic.....
     
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    No...I don't call them luxury at all. I call a luxury car a rolls royce, something with some room, some class, lots of features, etc...

    "You should care that you are basically getting gouged by American car companies who are able to sell you a better, track oriented vehicle for less than they are now. That is the simple point."
    Getting gouged...ouch. How bout getting gouged by the imports kid. $35,000 for a 350z, $34,000 for a 240hp s2000, $80,000 for an NSX, $69,000 for a 3000gt (new price of course), $40,000 for a supra, etc. I'd say $50,000 for a car that all around is one of the best bangs for your buck isn't really that bad.

    "The NSX is called by most magazines a Luxury vehicle"
    What magazines...ones where the editors are on crack. Most people I heard call it a SPORTS car. It might have some luxury equipment in it, but that doesn't make it a luxury car...lol...

    I'm getting tired of you because you're an import tool.
     
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    A $69K 3000GT?

    are you a crack baby?


    The M3's best time I have seen was a 12.9, with a 321 HP V6, that is much better engine than the Z06's hands down, If you can't see that you my friend are a moron.

    But than again saying "I'm getting tired of you because you're an import too" sums up your intelligence level. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>

    BTW: you can import a skyline for about $54K ready to drive on the streets. Just because you cannot buy it at a Nissan dealer does not mean it does not exist.
     
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    American HP - read this quote:

    "..An interesting debate about the NSX and one that has raged since its launch in 1990, when I worked for Honda in the UK in the Press and PR department. It is a car that broke new ground for a supercar and to really understand what a masterpiece of engineering it is you have to look past the facts and figures(which are ballpark average Supercar) and look at the intelligence which went into creating it. Aluminum construction, titanium conrods, 8,000rpm and climate control that works. Look at the brand new Ferrari 360 Modena and it is a copy of all these things - Ferrari had a big wake-up call in 1990 and it has taken 9 years to respond, which is good because it is a great marque that was falling behind. I work for another car company now but I am lucky enough that I do still have my dream car in the garage - an original 1991 NSX. Now with 38,000 miles on the clock it drives as good as the day it was made - only worn leather seats give the age away. Living near London, it never fails to provide an unforgettable drive on the english country lanes and is so much more exclusive than the Ferraris and Porsches that are common in London. On a trip to the Monaco Grand Prix, down through the autobahns of Germany, cruising at 150 mph was a doddle and believe me, you do get respect from the Porsche, BMW drivers who do know what an NSX is. If you accept it for the automotive technical tour de force that it is then the NSX is still a masterpiece and one final point, I know Gordon Murray who designed the McLaren F1 and he drove an NSX from the day it was launched as his everyday car and used it as the benchmark for the F1 roadcar - I don't think you can get any higher praise than that."
    -- Graeme Holt, May 24, 1999


    After all this time, of being reasonably good and not saying anything all that ignorant, you're going to rag on the NSX now?

    It's NOT a disappointing car for the pricetag, being hand made, and being of the highest quality production, rather than mass produced, the pricetag is quite reasonable. It's one of the best handling cars of all time, for its class, the drivetrain is so good that power delivery is beyond what would be expected, even the "mere" 290 hp is enough to make the car very quick, reasonable for the highest calibur supercars.

    And although the Corvette can hang with it in performance, the Z06 is far behind in craftsmanship, and although it may be a bit slower on the straights, the handling is more than adequate, for it to corner fast enough to keep up to the Corvette C5-R, and even beat it often in the Speed GT championship.

    The performance on paper may not be all that impressive, but the NSX has proven time and again how misleading a piece of paper can be, and it excels in real-world conditions.

    If I had $50,000, I'd go out, buy a Corvette, paint it some rare colour, go to some schmuck who is obsessed with American cars, tell him it's a limited production edition for which only 3,000 models were made and worth a lot of money, sell it for $100,000, go out, buy an NSX, and still have enough for insurance, gas, essential fluids, etc. for the next several years.

    BTW - did you know that the 2005(?) NSX is going to have a performance hybrid drivetrain (pretty much the same as the one in the Dualnote/DN-X, whatever you want to call it), with AWD, 400hp, 450lbft torque, it will get 40mpg, and it should accelerate faster than the Dualnote (est. 3.9 seconds), perhaps then you'll have a little respect for such a true masterpiece in automotive design?

    Also, did you know that the NSX-R (with 10 more hp, and a number of handling improvements) has achieved a Nurburgring time of 7:56.45? Very impressive for a 300- hp car, much better than any stock Corvette has ever achieved. Apparently there's a videotape of it in the Vancouver Library (it's on its way).

    It doesn't matter what you say about "...it's irrelevant if I can't buy it here, or if it's sold cheaper somewhere other than here..." What matters is what exists, and the cheapest price tag it bears it doesn't matter where it is, just the price it's available for. By your reasoning then, if you lived in Korea, would you think Hyundai is the best manufacturer? Just because you'd only be able to get ahold of a Mustang GL, Civic SI, Impreza WRX, base model Skyline, etc. as your other alternatives which would all be as much as 5 times the sticker price of your Hyundai's? I'd like to see what you'd have to say then.
     
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    Except the charateristics YOU consider a luxury car do not apply to society. Magazines have referred to it as a luxury vehicle since it's inception.

    Car and Driver,
    Road and Track
    Motorweek (which isn't a magazine....but close)
    MotorTrend
    Autocar
    Options
    Japan New Car
    Even Popular Mechanics!
    Consumer Guide
    JD Power Associates!!!


    That's a lot of people on crack.
    I'm an import tool who paid the better half of six figures for a '67 Corvette Roadster.....that makes sense....

    ...and it's 32,000 for a 350Z that outruns the 30k Mach 1 on the track....and 33k for a S2000 that ALSO outruns the 30k Mach 1 on the track. And these are vehicles with all sorts of import taxes slapped on them (it's the only way American vehicles can compete in the price world!)
    The full out track version of the Fairlady is less than 28k in Japan....Hmmmm...
     
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    I think he crawled back under that rock in which he came from.
     
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    I have yet to hear it called a luxury car. It may be luxurious for what it is, but it is not a luxury car.
    I have heard it called a supercar, exotic, etc...but never luxury.

    Again, we don't have the Fairlady here do we.
    And while the the 350 and s2000 are barely faster on the track (which is sad since they are built for road racing, while the mach 1 is not), the mach 1 dominates them on the drag strip, were most people actually do their racing.
     
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    Look, you pulled your head out of your ass long enough to post something worhtless, good job moron.
     
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    What do you think the 350Z is? Again, an utter demonstration as to your lack of car knowledge.

    The mach 1 wasn't built by Ford for road racing? That's not what Ford says...that's also not why they added so many suspension modifications from the base GT. Another demonstration of your lack of car knowledge.

    The mach 1 still cannot dominate the EVO on track or strip....

    Most people who don't live in Redneck ranch do not (despite what you think) drag race. If drag racing was SO popular, why it is you only see track racing on the major networks? Maybe because noone gives a rats ass about drag racing except a few r1ce boys and their redneck antagonists.

    Funny, the EVO was built for the track, costs less and DOMINATES the Mach 1 on the strip....something YOU say the Mach 1 was built for. So which car sucks now?
     
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    I'm going to put this less critically than Bored UP.

    The 350Z IS the FairladyZ, they're the exact same car. Look at them, you'll find absolutely no difference.

    An all leather interior(black) including steering wheel, dash and shift knob, with gilded trim, fully adjustable seats and steering wheel positions is generally considered luxury.
     
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    DING! it's not americanhp's fault that he is a moron, I think his parents have something to do with it. Many japanese cars sold in the US have different names.
     
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    Ok here it goes for the last time jackass, #$%#ing listen this time ok.

    "The mach 1 wasn't built by Ford for road racing? That's not what Ford says...that's also not why they added so many suspension modifications from the base GT. Another demonstration of your lack of car knowledge."
    The mach 1, was in no way built for road racing moron, despite what you may think (or not think). If it was built by ford for road racing it would have IRS, like the cobra. Come on, don't be such an idiot. The added suspension upgrades are nice, and do make the car handle better, true, but then is any car that is given a mild suspension upgrade from factory to be considered a road racing machine...no. It just means ford wanted a better handling car. It is more of a car for the drag strip, that happens to handle better then average on the track. It's really that simple, do you understand?

    "Most people who don't live in Redneck ranch do not (despite what you think) drag race. If drag racing was SO popular, why it is you only see track racing on the major networks? Maybe because no one gives a rats ass about drag racing except a few r1ce boys and their redneck antagonists."
    Most people aren't blind to simple facts like you are either. I'm not talking about major networks moron, how many times do we have to go over this (seems a lot since you don't have the intelligence to grasp anything the first time). Most people, your average Joe, will go to the drag strip to race their cars, end of story. There are not many (if any) race tracks that are around for people to race on, like there are drag strips. I have 2 drag strips with in 20 miles of me, I have NO road courses in 100 miles of me that I could race on. This goes for 98% or people in America. I don't care what they show in TV, I see Nascar on TV every Sunday, but I don't see people like you or me racing on road ovals...Get your head out of your ass kid, most people who race every now and then (not pro racers), race at drag strips. It's not a hard thing to understand, if you have an I.Q of over 60. And calling me a redneck...hey it's better then being a little ***** like you.

    "Funny, the EVO was built for the track, costs less and DOMINATES the Mach 1 on the strip....something YOU say the Mach 1 was built for. So which car sucks now?"
    Funny...that means the EVO must be running in the 12's almost, since the Mach 1 is running very low 13's (13.1). And it must cost less then $29,000, because that's the starting price of the mach 1. I'm not saying the mach 1 is a better car or a worse car, I'm just tired of morons bashing it because they don't know jackshit about it.
     
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    So you're saying that Ford added suspension upgrades so it can handle better going down the drag strip? <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    Well, actually yes. You do need a good suspension set-up to launch properly. With a bad set up the car can do some pretty nasty things. With a good set up the rear end will sink down, the front end will not end up 3 feet in the air, the car will not twist under the pressure of the torque, etc...it is a very nessasary part of drag racing that many people over look.
    Any kind of racing needs special attention to the suspension, from road racing, to drag racing.
     
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    Well the 350Z is tuned for the track(real track) and it comes withen a couple hundredth's of a second of beating the mach 1 on the strip. I guess their track tuned suspension does just as well on the strip as the mach 1 considering it has a NA V6. Not to metnion is humilitates the mach 1 on the track. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>


    14.7 seconds for a GT, HA <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    WTF are you talking about moron...do you even read what you write, or do you have a 5 year old retarded kid write your post for you?
    First off, the 350z gets it's ass spanked on the drag strip by the mach 1.
    350Z=low 14 second quarter mile.
    Mach1=Low 13 second car.
    You decide which one is faster.

    On the track the 350z does beat the mach 1, but only by a little bit, which is quit said, since its tuned for the track, while the mach 1 is not.
    The mustang gt, is also faster on the drag strip, pulling off high 13's, and costing $10,000 less then the 340z...lol...
     
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    The Mach 1 is NOT a low 13 second car by ANY car tester other than MMFF (big surprise).

    It's funny, I don't have any drag strips within a hundred miles of me. That would sort of put your theory back in the dirt from which it came.

    Most people drive on the road, which inherently involves curves. Quarter-mile is worthless....how often are you going to get to 100+mph between stoplights?
     
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    I higly doubt you don't have a drag strip within 100 miles of you. I have two with in 20-30 miles of me.
    Drag strips are FAR MORE COMMON THEN RACE TRACKS. And for the general public it's one of the only ways to actually test the performance of their vehicles. I really don't see why you can't understand this. And even if somehow you don't have one near you, how does that put my theory back in the dirt? You see, it's not a theory, its a fact.

    "Most people drive on the road, which inherently involves curves. Quarter-mile is worthless....how often are you going to get to 100+mph between stoplights?"
    Trying to change the subject huh...nice try moron. Yes most people do drive on roads, very good you get an apple now. But what we were originally talking about was were do people race, on a road course or a drag strip...hmmm...seems to me a drag strip. You see, racing on highways is illegal and dangerous, got that.

    And yes the mach 1 is a low 13 second car, no matter how badly you don't want to believe it.
     
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    Your nubers are a little askew. Big suprise.
    350Z=low 14 second car
    mach 1=high 13 second car

    The 350Z is only faster by a few seconds on the track, which for people who do "real" races know that even a second is a HUGE margin.

    Also you got the wrong numbers gor the mustang GT, AGAIN, it's a high 14 second car. For $10,00 less you only sacrifice a lot of quality and speed.

    Drag racing is for amatures. Most people could care less about how fast their CAR is, They are more concerned with how fast THEY are. I have been beaten on a REAL track by people with cars that would have been much slower than mine in a stright line because they are better drivers. I have also beaten quite a few high HP cars that would have stomped me in the quarter, but I was a better driver. That's what REAL drivers do. DRIVE, not stomp on the gas for 12 seconds at a time.
     
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    I'd respond to the things you said (the qaurter mile times) but since I and other people have already done that and you still haven't been able to grasp it, I won't waste my time. You have the I.Q. of a brain dead chipmunk, why do you continue to post bullshit all the time? Do you get off by doing it? Does your live in boyfriend actually post this crap for you?


    "Drag racing is for amatures"
    Tell that to John Force moron.

    "I have been beaten on a REAL track "
    Really. Were, because their are only a handfull of tracks that the general public can race on. And I highly doubt that you are anything more then that (meaning you are not an amatuer or pro driver).

    "That's what REAL drivers do. DRIVE, not stomp on the gas for 12 seconds at a time."
    Real drivers don't pretend to own cars and talk about their fake cars to other people on the internet.

    I would love to race my stang on a road course, but until they become wide spread like drag strips it won't happen anytime soon.
     
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    more lame wanna be insults? go figure.

    There is a huge differece between piloting a 6 second car down the strip and driving a 12 second car down the strip.

    Where you ask? Second Creek Raceway. Do a search, the most likely have a site. All it takes is an approved helmet, and a car that passes inspection, ie: good tires, brakes, no huge cracks on the winshield and some tape on the head and fog lights.

    Race your stang on a road course? HA don't make me laugh, you must like to lose. It's runs a 14.7 second quarter, the track times would be as pathetic as your lame insults <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>

    BTW: it's where, not were.
     
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    Well, having LOOKED for a drag strip, I can tell you for a fact there isn't one within 100 miles of me. I only had one near me in AZ because it was part of Firebird Raceway...a track that often held open track days. As for your FACT as to more people drag....where are your statistics...prove it. You can't, you are pulling sh*t out of your ass. I can TELL you track racing is more popular even in this country as it is what the networks televise. If drag was more popular, IT would be televised. You don't understand economics either.

    You BELIEVE the mach1 is a low 13 second car. My five year old cousin believes in Santa Clause. Because one factory provided (and prodded) car ran a low 13 second run once for an obviously biased magazine means absolutely nothing. Especially when two other global magazines dispute the claim. Maybe when you grow up you can post with the adults.
     

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