Is it the driver or the car?

Discussion in '1936 Maybach SW36' started by Omsirut, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Re: IS ANY ONE GETTING SICK OF CARTS?

    In order for a racing series to resemble anything exciting, you have to have interesting tracks. straight left straight left straight simply does not cut it, nascar SUCKS!!!!, irl is BOGUS, and cart really needs to give its head a shake, the cart races could be way better if they wouldnt waste time at those speedways. Formula 1 is the light in the darkness, and will be there laughing when all the north american series have gone the way of the dodo.<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. Re: IS ANY ONE GETTING SICK OF CARTS?

    yeah I think it was silly to split indycars up into 2 series.
     
  3. Re: IS ANY ONE GETTING SICK OF CARTS?

    I don't understand why everybody keeps bashing other types or motorsport. Why not do like me and watch it all. It's all good!!
     
  4. Re: IS ANY ONE GETTING SICK OF CARTS?

    I've never seen a NASCAR race in my life, we don't get shown them here, the only free to air motorsport on TV here is F1, WRC and Australian V8s.
     
  5. Re: go WEBBER mate!!

    Well, you know Webber got his 5th place just because there aren't that many cars left out on the track that race due to the heavy accident that happened in the beginning of the race but I still think Webber is a good driver though. Mika Salo, who has been racing in F1 for quite sometimes was having a hard time battling with Webber which at the end Salo spun out.
     
  6. Re: go WEBBER mate!!

    WELL DONE MARK! ralf launching a few feet into the air in the first few seconds and taking out half the grid had nothing to do with your BRILLIANT performance. good stuff mate.
     
  7. Re: go WEBBER mate!!

    What a great drive. He drove the car to the finish and even outraced Salo at the end. A great day for Webber, Minardi and Australia.

    COME ON AUSSIE, COME ON, COME ON!!!!!!!
     
  8. Re: go WEBBER mate!!

    It was definately a good race by Webber and for Minardi. However, many things did play into their hands, such as the incedent at the begining. Also, Salo's Toyota was all over the Minardi at the end. Salo just simply messed up. Most people were %100 that Toyota would be getting the two points. But hey, that's racing. Congratulations Minardi and Webber!
     
  9. Re: go WEBBER mate!!

    Luck got him into 5th place, but it isnt easy to stay focused when you have a much quicker toyota on your back. Salo did his best to pressure Webber into making a mistake, but he ended up spinning himself instead :p.

    Apparently the australians are using the same strategies as in the short track speed skating at the olympics... just hang back and let the leaders take themselves out, then jump in and finish in the points <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">.

    -retsmah
     
  10. Re: go WEBBER mate!!

    Yay Webber, Yay Minardi, Yay Australia (this goes against my natural born duty as a New Zealander to insult all thing Australian).

    Drivers make their own luck, Scumacher was certainly "lucky" to have not been taken out at the first corner.

    anyone care to guess how fast a minardi would go if had a decent motor? instead of a crappy rebuilt 3 years old Peugeot.
     
  11. Re: go WEBBER mate!!

    Congradulations to Minardi for their first points since 1999, and to Mark Webber for earning points in his first race.
    Gotta give credit to Minardi (and Jaguar) strategists for having both cars so far back in the grid to avoid the first corner mess. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  12. Semi-Automatic

    -What exactly does that mean.......probably just a fancy name for sequential.
    Is it just me....or are the drivers in this sport getting more and more detacthed from actually driving the car?
     
  13. Re: Semi-Automatic

    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Benno</i>
    <b>-What exactly does that mean.......probably just a fancy name for sequential.
    Is it just me....or are the drivers in this sport getting more and more detacthed from actually driving the car?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    This means that the clutch is automatic (except from stationary) and all the driver has top do is flip the paddles behind the wheel to change up and down sequetially.<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. Re: who doesnt like minardi?

    Here here!!
     
  15. Re: Is it the driver or the car?

    yeah i agree with reek! the reason ferrari wins so much right now is becuase they got the best car! and yeah it's mainly becuase of the driver too but the car plays an important role! if they put schumacher in a jaguar do you think he will still win as much! i don't think so!

    i will shutup now too! lol<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. Re: Is it the driver or the car?

    Money buys you success at the moment in F1.
    The 3 big teams have 2 engines. 1 for the qualifying, a highly tuned engine that would not last a whole race, and then a race engine, with less power but will last longer. Times that by 2 and each driver has a spare car, thats a total of 6 engines and I bet they have 1 or 2 in the truck.
    Minardi cant afford stuff like that and probably have 1 engine for qualifying and racing, and then only 1 spare car.
    As said before the engine is 3 years old, and anything that is 3 years old in a technology based industry is far inferior. In the early 90s, Williams won it all, cos it was the best car. Then it was Benatton (Or however you spell it) who won for 2-3 years, then the rules where changed not allowing electronic changing of the settings during a race, and they never won a race since. Williams are coming back into it. Why? Becuase the engine can rev 3000rpm higher than all the rest.
    Ferrari's budget is probably 10 times that of the smaller teams, and it shows.

     
  17. Re: Is it the driver or the car?

    Yeah after the current concorde agreement runs out (2006 I think) The smaller teams have to ask for more of the TV money, at the moment as I understand, the more your team wins, the more money you get. So it's a vicious cycle, if all the teams got the same piece of the pie from all the TV revenue it might start to even things out. Bring back 1982!-(eleven different drivers won Grand prix that year), But really it is good that now there are 3 teams that have a shot at the title, it has usually been only 2 throughout the '90s.
     
  18. Re: Is it the driver or the car?

    I think it all started when the refueling rule came in, for some reason. At the start all the cars had an even playing field because all the cars are heavy on fuel. But now some are heavy some are light.
    And I remember the good old days of a 5 second pit stop is a disaster.

     
  19. Re: Is it the driver or the car?

    Yeah in the '80s you had to carry all your fuel for the whole race, so it came down to who had less pit-stops for tyres. I remember one race where Alain Prost drove conservatively and didn't pit the entire race, but won by over 30 seconds from Senna who stopped 3 times I think.
     
  20. Re: Is it the driver or the car?

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    No, don't bring back '82. Two drivers killed is not my cup of tea.

    But in response to the initial question, to be in the mid-field you need either a good car or a good driver and in that situation, money = improvement. When you get to the top, you need stacks of money to get the best drivers, engineers, etc. because one without the other will not deliver success. Minardi already have a great driver in Webber. He may be a little "green" but he is really talented and is getting that Minardi up into places it shouldn't be in. Minardi are sure to improve, though. It's only a year and a bit since Paul Stoddart took over and I think, given time, he can get the money and the team will climb through the field. This year they have already closed the gap and it's only a matter of time before they are beating other cars in qualifying and in the race.
     
  21. Re: Is it the driver or the car?

    I didn't mean to bring back the unsafe cars, I simply meant that it would be good to see more than 4 or 5 drivers win races.
     
  22. IS ANY ONE GETTING SICK OF CARTS?

    IS ANY ONE GETTING SICK OF CARTS?
     
  23. Re: IS ANY ONE GETTING SICK OF CARTS?

    NO!
    so shutup
     
  24. Re: IS ANY ONE GETTING SICK OF CARTS?

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    No but I am sick of gay ass NASCAR on speed channel
     
  25. Re: IS ANY ONE GETTING SICK OF CARTS?

    I like CARTS, but I have to say that compared to F1, CARTS is pretty insignificant in the eyes of the world (maybe except the US). F1 has superior technology, engineering and drivers. No CART diver (except Villeneuve) has ever made it far in F1 (Montoya drove F1 as a test driver B4 CARTS), whilst a top or mid-field F1 driver can go in and dominate CARTS (Mansell, Zanardi, Montoya). F1 will always be the pinnicle of motorsports.<!-- Signature -->
     

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