Kill the civics

Discussion in '2002 Honda Civic Type-R' started by 70SuperBee, Aug 9, 2002.

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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from AndyDouglas</i>
    <b>That civic is from the fast and the furious its not yours #$%# head. Plus hondas blow, except the s2000 and prelude.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->S2000 is OK, but prelude is a RIP. (ripoff)<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Yea i understand about money but with the one that you saved up you could buy something better. And finally some people who have common sense writing back to me. Thanks


    Suprafan forever
     
  3. Aliright guys i don't understand why people are customizing a ECONOMY CAR. I give your credit on your ideas of customizing a car but not a damn civic. They are pieces of shit specially the v-tec they are for economy use only so stop customizing them. If you really want a nice honda get a s2000 or a honda prelude V-tec they have some power. Which my friend showed me. This v-tec really kickes in at 5,000rpm on the civic the v-tec was made for better gas mileage not for speed like the prelude has. I understand some people don't have enough money for a nice car but the money you waste on those little civics you could buy a supra, rx-7 etc... Come on people who like some civic reving his little pos next to you at a red light later finding out that he will lose at the race. So i hope one day civic owners will know that they are a piece of shit and will never beat any nice car ever.


    Suprafan forever
     
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    <b>Aliright guys i don't understand why people are customizing a ECONOMY CAR. I give your credit on your ideas of customizing a car but not a damn civic. They are pieces of shit specially the v-tec they are for economy use only so stop customizing them. If you really want a nice honda get a s2000 or a honda prelude V-tec they have some power. Which my friend showed me. This v-tec really kickes in at 5,000rpm on the civic the v-tec was made for better gas mileage not for speed like the prelude has. I understand some people don't have enough money for a nice car but the money you waste on those little civics you could buy a supra, rx-7 etc... Come on people who like some civic reving his little pos next to you at a red light later finding out that he will lose at the race. So i hope one day civic owners will know that they are a piece of shit and will never beat any nice car ever.


    Suprafan forever</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->I agree w/ you 110%<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> <!-- Signature -->
     
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    whilst I agree that customising (not just the civic but any car) is dumb. Especially when it involves adding weight and reducing the aerodynamics of the car.

    However the CTR is a great car. So what if it still gets into the 20s for fuel consumption. That does not mean it can't be a very good fun car to drive. In fact it is a good fun car to drive, take it out on a race track or airfield day and find out.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    whilst I agree that customising (not just the civic but any car) is dumb. Especially when it involves adding weight and reducing the aerodynamics of the car.

    However the CTR is a great car. So what if it still gets into the 20s for fuel consumption. That does not mean it can't be a very good fun car to drive. In fact it is a good fun car to drive, take it out on a race track or airfield day and find out.


    suprafan:

    Woah man, do you have any idea about your talking about. Customizing a car is a stupid idea. It would add weight and reduce aerodynamics?
    You have a point BUT(theres always a but from me) There are such thing as weight reductions and you can get better ground effects(body kits) that can make your aerodynamic better then what you bought it stock. You should know this since you say you took the ctr out on the track. NO STOCK CAR IS A FAST CAR NOT EVEN VIPERS OR ANYTHING.YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT EVERY CAR CAN BE CUSTOMIZED TO THE LIMIT. FOR EXAMPLE A TWIN TURBO DIABLO OR VIPER, ETC.... GIVING THEM MORE THEN 1000HP.AND THAT IS CALLED THE FINAL CUSTOMIZING LIMIT. Don't get me wrong i like SOME( VERY FEW) hondas like the s2000 and the prelude v-tec. But a civic is just not worth it.Enough with the customizing the ECONOMY CAR. THink about it which would you rather see a civic type R or a fully customized viper with body kit and power reving its engine making you feel like shit in your pos civic. Viper haveing a stage 3 weight reductions. Exhaust system and all the other goodies. I think the viper. How about you guys.


    Suprafan forever
     
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    Chill Supra fan.

    I like the VTEC technology. That is why I own what I own. A regular Civic just does not do it for me, but a b16a powered Civic is actually a good fun car.

    No I would not want the Viper you describe. I'd sooner have a TVR or an Aston Martin. But as I can't afford anything like that anyway there is no point in even thinking about it.

    What I want is a cheap fun and disposable car. That is why I went and bough a 10 year old grpN rally spec 4th gen B16a powered Civic. It is immense fun. The mods on it are all to increase the cars ability to drive quickly and corner quickly.

    When I see the word customisation in relation to a car I automatically think of show cars. These I see no point too. Cars are to be driven not looked at, so why would I want these. I have been asked by people how should they make there 1.4 Civic faster, I always say, sell it and buy a DOHC VTEC powered one.

    I must ask you this though Suprafan, why bother visiting boards of cars you don't like to slag them off? Whats the point? There lots of cars I don't like but it would serve no purpose to visit those forums and slag off the cars. It is a much better use of my time to share with and assist those who have a similar interest to me, that way I make friends not enemies.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    DON'T DISS THE CIVIC IT CAN BURN ALOT OF CARS!!!! YALL DON"T KNOW.... THERE FAST TRUST ME.
     
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    HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! VTEC SUCKS !!!!!!!! What the hell do you think the VVTi is? Same damn thing!!!!! I just don't understand why some people insist on making fun of a passion that we all share in customizing cars. I don't see any other Japanese cars on the road with 120HP per litreand a 9000 redline ie S2000.
     
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    OFF WITH THERE FENDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    HAHAHAHAHA!!!!! VTEC SUCKS !!!!!!!! What the hell do you think the VVTi is? Same damn thing!!!!! I just don't understand why some people insist on making fun of a passion that we all share in customizing cars. I don't see any other Japanese cars on the road with 120HP per litreand a 9000 redline ie S2000.



    Easy man

    I was never dissing the s2000. All i am trying to say is why customize a ECONOMY CAR. TO the people who bought civics and customized them did you ever think about this, You probably bought the car for its good gas milage well did you ever think that if you customize the car it is no longer a ECONOMY CAR. So whats the point of wasting your money on a civic when you can get something so much better. And i am also sick and tired of seeing them there are too many out there. If you think i am right write back


    Suprafan forever
     
  12. Re: Do all these have shift kits in them?

    That civic is from the fast and the furious its not yours #$%# head. Plus hondas blow, except the s2000 and prelude.
     
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    <b>DON'T DISS THE CIVIC IT CAN BURN ALOT OF CARS!!!! YALL DON"T KNOW.... THERE FAST TRUST ME.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Trust what? Trust you? I seriously don't know why people spend money modifying any #$%#ing Civic. I like Supras and with Honda I like Preludes. My girlfriend actually has a 95 Prelude and believe me it's really fun to drive. It has what I call all Japanese cars, it has Zip. It's a zippy car. Quick off the line but nothing to pull it anywhere. When I drive it, I know better to not race anyone, cuz I dont' want to look like that idiot in his 4.6 GT trying to race a SS on the streets. I'm smarter than that. However, no matter what you do to a Civic you'll end up spending more money trying to get that car a 300hp where you'll spend less on a SS that comes with more than that. Plus the Civic has a boring look, if you want to modify a Jap car Modify a prelude or something, it's sportier and it is faster than a Civic or SI at that matter. But if you were smart you'd save your money and buy an f-body with over 300hp, add your mods and watch it kill everything on the streets. Well since I'm preaching over here, can I get a witness <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
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    Trust what? Trust you? I seriously don't know why people spend money modifying any #$%#ing Civic. I like Supras and with Honda I like Preludes. My girlfriend actually has a 95 Prelude and believe me it's really fun to drive. It has what I call all Japanese cars, it has Zip. It's a zippy car. Quick off the line but nothing to pull it anywhere. When I drive it, I know better to not race anyone, cuz I dont' want to look like that idiot in his 4.6 GT trying to race a SS on the streets. I'm smarter than that. However, no matter what you do to a Civic you'll end up spending more money trying to get that car a 300hp where you'll spend less on a SS that comes with more than that. Plus the Civic has a boring look, if you want to modify a Jap car Modify a prelude or something, it's sportier and it is faster than a Civic or SI at that matter. But if you were smart you'd save your money and buy an f-body with over 300hp, add your mods and watch it kill everything on the streets. Well since I'm preaching over here, can I get a witness <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"></b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->I have 654 at the rear wheels from my 383 LT-1. IT cost me about $18,000 to buy everything necessary to handle the power, but it's alot less than it would be to get a jap car that far<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
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    I agree that if you have the money you should definitely not waste it customizing a Civic or some other economy car. However, lots of people don't have the money to even buy an S2000, let alone modify it. For $30,000 dollars I could make a Civic that would beat a Corvette, but if I had that kind of money I would just buy an S2000 and leave it alone. The point is, lots of people, such as myself, are content to buy a used Civic for around $5,000 and then put only a few thousand dollars of mods into it. They don't want a 500hp monster, they want a reliable car that has a little more than the stock version. That is why people modify Civics (unless they are stupid and think they can actaully make a 600 hp Civic for less money than a more powerful car).<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>I agree that if you have the money you should definitely not waste it customizing a Civic or some other economy car. However, lots of people don't have the money to even buy an S2000, let alone modify it. For $30,000 dollars I could make a Civic that would beat a Corvette, but if I had that kind of money I would just buy an S2000 and leave it alone. The point is, lots of people, such as myself, are content to buy a used Civic for around $5,000 and then put only a few thousand dollars of mods into it. They don't want a 500hp monster, they want a reliable car that has a little more than the stock version. That is why people modify Civics (unless they are stupid and think they can actaully make a 600 hp Civic for less money than a more powerful car).</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> to all that dont like civics, this is exactly why honda fans like myself mod them. for 20k i can create a corvette killer that can still be driven daily and is reliable. granted, its still FWD, and a economy car body, but that just makes it lightweight (2100 lbs) and so it doesnt need so much torque as domestic cars. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    I think all of you have some valid points here.
    True, You can easily buy a 93 Civic Ex (used) for about $4-$5000 US funds. Spend another $4000 on modifying the internals and adding forced induction. For under $10,000 you will have an Econobox Civic with around 220-250hp at the wheels. Some people would rather buy another car that may come stock with that much power, and thats fine. Its all about personal choice really.
    In the past 5 years, I have spent nearly $7000 on my Civic. why? beacuse I like it. Its a quick little car that does exceptionally well on the corners (especially if you have worked on your suspension correctly). I dont expect to beat every car on the road, it doesn't have 1000hp.. I dont want that from a Civic... and I dont go looking for racing. I enjoy working on it. I dont have a bodykit, big exhaust or even chrome rims, I dont even have a system in it. All the money and work went directly into the internals, forced induction and suspension. It doesn't even look fast.

    But, if I had $30,000 I would definately buy something else. I like Honda's but Im not stupid. Actually, 95 Supra TT's are going for around $25,000, and I would purchase one if it was in good condition.
    I would love the Viper that Suprafan spoke about.
    I think any of us would love a real supercar. But most of us, if not all of us.. will never own a real supercar. Thats why people like me work on Civic's. And other people work on Firebirds, Mustangs or VW's.
    Its all about personal taste and choice.

    I respect anyone that can make their car faster. I dont care what kind of car it is.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    I think all of you have some valid points here.
    True, You can easily buy a 93 Civic Ex (used) for about $4-$5000 US funds. Spend another $4000 on modifying the internals and adding forced induction. For under $10,000 you will have an Econobox Civic with around 220-250hp at the wheels. Some people would rather buy another car that may come stock with that much power, and thats fine. Its all about personal choice really.
    In the past 5 years, I have spent nearly $7000 on my Civic. why? beacuse I like it. Its a quick little car that does exceptionally well on the corners (especially if you have worked on your suspension correctly). I dont expect to beat every car on the road, it doesn't have 1000hp.. I dont want that from a Civic... and I dont go looking for racing. I enjoy working on it. I dont have a bodykit, big exhaust or even chrome rims, I dont even have a system in it. All the money and work went directly into the internals, forced induction and suspension. It doesn't even look fast.

    But, if I had $30,000 I would definately buy something else. I like Honda's but Im not stupid. Actually, 95 Supra TT's are going for around $25,000, and I would purchase one if it was in good condition.
    I would love the Viper that Suprafan spoke about.
    I think any of us would love a real supercar. But most of us, if not all of us.. will never own a real supercar. Thats why people like me work on Civic's. And other people work on Firebirds, Mustangs or VW's.
    Its all about personal taste and choice.

    I respect anyone that can make their car faster. I dont care what kind of car it is.


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    Hey man

    I understand what you mean about taste. And i see you have a civic i still hate them but i want to ask you one thing aren't you getting sick and tired of them. I mean come on everytime i go into a parking lot i see about 5 of them. I really think that its better to have a car that not enough people have like prelude V-TEC's. Theres just too many civics out there and its getting very boring to see them. You know what i mean.




    Suprafan Forever
     
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    Yeah, civics are EVERYWHERE.

    The only reason I bag on them is because I see so many that have ridiculous stuff put on them. (phart muffler, stickers).
    I don't mind body kits too much, but that pharting sound annoys the hell outta me.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    I know what you all mean.
    Actually, from where I lived 5 years ago, there really wasn't all that many honda's... there was a few. I moved to a smaller town, and there is like 5 Civic's. Mostly just show cars, nothing fast. Mostly American Muscle and a lot of modded Cavaliers.

    Believe me, Im not spending much more money on my Civic, and yes I am considering another car.
    I actually almost bought an 88 or 87 Camaro(gunmetal grey, engine had been stroked). But the guy was having some problems with it... so I passed.

    Once I finish paying off my Civic, the cars that I am looking at buying next are:

    1. Subaru Imprezza WRX STi - Only if they release it in the states.
    2. 95-96 Toyota Supra TT. Only if it hasn't been f'd up.
    3. late 90's Nissan 300ZX TT.
    4. 88' Mustang GT 5.0
    5. or a late model ElCamino - I love those!!<!-- Signature -->
     
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    I know what you all mean.
    Actually, from where I lived 5 years ago, there really wasn't all that many honda's... there was a few. I moved to a smaller town, and there is like 5 Civic's. Mostly just show cars, nothing fast. Mostly American Muscle and a lot of modded Cavaliers.

    Believe me, Im not spending much more money on my Civic, and yes I am considering another car.
    I actually almost bought an 88 or 87 Camaro(gunmetal grey, engine had been stroked). But the guy was having some problems with it... so I passed.

    Once I finish paying off my Civic, the cars that I am looking at buying next are:

    1. Subaru Imprezza WRX STi - Only if they release it in the states.
    2. 95-96 Toyota Supra TT. Only if it hasn't been f'd up.
    3. late 90's Nissan 300ZX TT.
    4. 88' Mustang GT 5.0
    5. or a late model ElCamino - I love those!!


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    Man

    Other then your civic you have some good taste in cars. To bad people can't be like that and lay off the civics because they suck. The wrx is a good choice i am going to tell you from now the supra will be hard to find and if you do they usually have alot of miles or they cost to much trust me i was going to buy one. I had the money in my hand cash 20k for a twin turbo but then my insurance for 6 months is 5000 DOLLARS. Thats #$%#ing a lot of money, so i couldn't buy the car which #$%#ing sucks. The 300 zx is a good choice too only if you put a veilside body kit on it and it wil be #$%#ing bad ass.




    CIVICS SUCKS

    SUPRAFAN FOREVER
     
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    Man who the gives a funk what people do to their cars or what kind of cars they have. People buy cars and modify cars for their own reasons. And who are all of you to say who's got bad taste... just cuz they don't have the same taste as you. Sure I agree Civics suck on the strip. But I've seen some pretty nice things done with them. And in my taste I think the 92-95 civics look damn nice even though they may not be fast. Now I wouldn't give one thought to the engine of my car because I'm a looks kinda guy. So what, You burned be out by 20 car lengths... eventually I'll make it to the same place you were, cept my car would look nice doing it.
     
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    So "off the rack" is the only thing that cars are good to be? Mass produced, comittee designed cars are your epitome? Making a car EXACTLY as you want is somehow stupid? Ok, lets expand on that.

    Cars are loked at AS they are driven. Making performance modifications to a car driven on the street is even more pointless, then, as there are laws that prevent you from neding anything more powerful than a basic Civic DX, IF THAT!

    Some people, like you, are NOT artists. Others, like me, ARE. Kinetic sculpture. Form and color. Where do you think car designs COME from? You think Guigiaro sits back and says, "you know, that basic serdan is perfect. I don't even know why I need to make cars more attractive!" No, designers are artisats and buiuld on the forms that exist, and add to them. So doi customizers. So do coachbuilders.

    Where would car design be without companies like Figoni et Falaschi? Vignale? Pininfarina? Designers are factory customizers.

    I really get offended by narrowminded people who can't deal with the fact that people want to personalize their cars, and either make it virtually new, with their own styling cues, or by taking bits of other cars they like and adding them to the mix.

    Suprafan, Civics are cars. And as such are subject to the same forces of any car. Because, like any car, they are glass, steel, rubber, plastic, aluminum, anything that can be done can equally be done to another. Ecomomy cars tend to also be light, though due to crash requirements and Noise/Vibration/harshness factors, they tend to also be stiff and strong. Perfect platforms to make fun cars with. A car does NOT care what the marketing department decided it's niche should be. Engineers don't either. Hondas have been successful road race cars for DECADES, in case you haven't been paying attention, campaigned by top teams. Civics have been winning at endurance road racing since teh early '70s, as the heir to the throne set up by the world conquering Mini Coopers (themselves performance variants of the decidedly economy car Austin Mini).

    Please, get a clue, and move along.
     
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    Chris V, well said!

    Your comment about not needing more power than a base DX Civic hit the nail right on its head!

    My daily driver is a 130 horse 91 bone stock Accord. Usually, I try to drive fairly placidly and slowly, however if I wanna get somewhere, I'm not afraid to put the pedal to the metal.

    Of course, if I was on the highway, and utterly hammering it, and there was a Camaro equally hammering it, of course he would waste me, but then I don't care but then everytime I go out on the highway I'm scared of losing my license so as far as I'm concerned, any more power would be useless (license-threatening).

    I don't think that being able to go 0-60 1 second faster would make a difference nor do I think that being able to go 140mph instead of the 125 I can do now would either. Esp. considering i live in a city.

    I dunno about the US, but here in Toronto, I've never seen a modified FWD car (VW, Honda...) do anything on the road remotely performance-oriented. No revving of engines. No chirping of tires. The only thing I've seen is weaving and that's just retarded. Usually I am the only one that redlines my engine, b.c. I am pissed that someone just cut in front of me. Plus I like the sound.

    Only once, I saw a modified accord doing about 110mph, but then it's not as if he needs engine mods to do that.
     
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    eat my ass American car asshole
     

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