Modena vs Z06

Discussion in '2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06' started by 1mic, Sep 13, 2002.

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    I don't know why GM dosen't compete in Formula 1. I wish they would so they could shut up all you import fans that think that a company without a forumla team isn't worth anything. GM could bring MUCH MUCH more money to the table, and we all know that is ALL it takes to win in F1 racing. Why dosen't TVR compete in F1? Lamborghini? Pagani?? Why don't those companies compete in the ALMS series?

    That argument has no bearing on this car. The fact is that this car can beat any even remotely comparable car in reliability and overall drivability (by remotely comparable I mean the Viper, the Tuscan Speed Six, Ferrari Modena, BMW M3, Etc.). This is a car that you can drive everyday to work and take to the track on the weekend and kill pretty much every production vehicle there (on a road course or on the strip). The 60 to 80 grand you save by not buying the Ferrari can be used to turn this thing into an F50 killer. I know for 9 grand Lingenfelter can turn a Z06 into a 530 HP Viper and Porsche GT2 killer (and it comes with a 36,000 mile warranty). Even stock this car hangs with or beats the best of them.
     
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    "thank you Ferrari is #1, & your Covette was on fire today at Laguna . after only 10 laps...."

    10 laps? No, it completed 41 laps. That's 19 laps more than the Naspetti-Schiattarella Ferrari 550 that succumbed to suspension failure.

    Congrats to Ferrari (actually UK-based PRODRIVE) for finally snapping the Corvettes' SEVEN-RACE winning streak.
     
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    Well you know nothing. Anyone here ever heard of a 2002 LT1? Must be magic, a 2002 LT1 in a tape from '98. You saying that the LT1 didn't keep up with him as he was supposed to? I hope you know that the LT1 wasn't trying to overtake him, what would that accomplish? I thought it would be quite obvious that the Camaro could keep up when he pulled along side the guy. Then the Camaro wiped out, and you brag that an M3 gets away from a 2 ton family car.

    Since the e30 M3 is only possibly '87 or newer it could only be 15 years old max, 11 minimum. The Camaro might possibly be a '93-'97. So there could be between 2-10 years difference.

    KBB shows the M3 used with average mileage today costing 9-11k, while the Camaro could go for 7-11k. New the M3 would go for much, much more vs. Camaro. So the Camaro does cost less than the M3.
     
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    ferrari doesn't know how to built true reliable cars that is the point
     
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    Why is the modena so much better? can you even tell me why?
     
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    "Because Europeans make so much better cars than Americans"....... that's about the only response you'll get out of all these exotic car freaks no matter how many times they are proven wrong.
     
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    when ya have no proofs ferrari boy ya better have to choke it on.
     
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    It realy isn't.
     
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    Modena, of course.
     
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    The Z06 is better made than the 360 Modena?!?!?!?!?
    You must be on drugs. And the Z06 can handle better than the Ferrari. How much weed are you on.
     
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    The Z06 is better made than the 360 Modena?!?!?!?!?
    You must be on drugs. And the Z06 can handle better than the Ferrari? How much weed are you on.
     
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    here is a solid proof that will show ya all that i am right.
     
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    60k. Gimme a break. Have you watched the video? That's an E30 M3 from the 80's, with a 2.3 litre tiny little engine! Stock performance about 185bhp (some performance... hahaha).
    Quite different from the E46 M3 with 343bhp.
    No idea what the video's beemer has under it's hood though.

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    This actually doesn't belong to this forum, but:

    Have the cops ever thought about the danger that the chase gives? It's just plain insane to tail the juvenile, it just makes him scared and makes the thief to do really desperate moves as you can see.
    And the cop in the vette almost gets himself killed when he loses control and the other cop car passes him! Was it worth it?
    How about instead chasing with choppers, and maybe blocking some highway exits?

    It's just a CAR stolen, is that piece of metal worth risking human lives and endangering even more the bystanders than the thief would've alone done?
     
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    With the 60k mark I was talking new vs. new. Used vs. used is a different story.

    Have you watched that video? Thats a BLOWN 2.3 liter, even with that the Camaro kept up and pulled alongside when he needed to.

    I hope your kidding about the second part of the quote. There was no vette. Just a single Camaro and a lot of Crown Victorias, maybe a caprice but I doubt it. Apparently they didn't have a chopper.

    If you bought that piece of metal with your own money you'd think it was worth it.
     
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    haha you guys might think u know all the shit but think about.
    the only way Americans make better cars is by UPPING the displacement, and adding another set of cylinders. while the M3 has 343 with an inline 6 it takes a v8 to just get to that level in "american" standards
    ahaha last weekend a viper was SMOKED by an all motor civic no nos no turbos or supercharger just engine and pipe, and last week, the same street race crew SVP with there yellow Type R smoked a 2002 Z06, all motor ALSO, just engine and pipe, hmmm and the z06 owner was all "yup 407 dynoed hp", he even took the passenger seat out and thought he would be owning these 4 bangers.. gee soo much for American cars...oh yea and the R8 dominated the AMLS thats AMERICAN LE MANS, what happend caddy??? what happened panoz??? yeah GM joining F1 and dominating??? HAHAHA ur joshing right?
    GM just stick to IRL...
    from what i remember or what i know the last famous Le-Mans car was the GT-40 and that was a FORD, built and designed in EUROPE....
    oh yea put this in your V8 v8 v8 v8 craniums every car that is coming out that is American has European style/influence.
    and TVR and Lamborghini ARE in LeMans RETARD.
    speed 12 & diablo 6.0 GT
     
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    I thought we were comparing a modena to a vette dumbfu(k. Not civics to corvettes. What are you thinking, they are in totally different ranges. Go get a job.
     
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    very good reply tymol, i think that mic 1 is 14 years old kid.
     
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    1mic:
    So a Z06 or Viper gets beat by some souped up imports at the drags, with different drivers at the wheel. BFD. Ever seen those modded Civic take Z06's or Vipers on a roadcourse? LOL.

    Diablos may have been at Le Mans, but have they ever won? Not even close. There are no Speed 12's at Le Mans. Those cars race in the British GT championship, and are losing out to Saleen S7's last time I checked.

    The GT-40 Mk IV's that won in '67 were built by Kar Kraft in Michigan. Michigan is in the United States. While the early GT-40's were based on Eric Broadley's Lola, their engines still were American. The GT-40's that won Le Mans, Daytona, and Sebring in '66 were equipped with 427 cubic inch NASCAR engines, LOL.

    Where is Panoz vs. Audi? Hmmm...Audi dumped $200 million into its campaign. How much money does Panoz have to spend again?

    Only Americans use larger displacements or more cylinders? And then you use the M3 as an example? LOL, 1mic, are you that much of a moron? Consider this: the original M3 had a 2.3-liter 4-cylinder engine. It's now a 3.2-liter 6-cylinder. The original Porsche 911 was 2.0 liters. It's now 3.6 liters and sprouts twin turbochargers. Meanwhile, the Corvette has pretty much stayed at its current cylinder count and displacement for many decades now.

    If Ferrari is so advanced, why did the 360 receive a larger engine than the 355? Why was the 355's engine larger than the 348, larger than the 328, larger than the 328? And the 575M's engine is smaller than the 550's? NAH!!! And then there's the huge displacement leap between the F50 and its successor, the Enzo. See where Ferrari is heading? Larger engines. LOL, guess that means Ferrari is bad at engineering, huh?
     
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    sure America likes the big engines, you don't have to do much to them to make them sweet, then you can sell the car cheap, with the same performance as a smaller engine that requires extra parts, extra rpm, extra $$$

    and another thing about big engines, they make toque early which gives them the gas millage

    an inline 6 that's turbo/reving to 8000 may be able to put out 500hp but its already close to, if not at it's peak performance

    on the other hand a 502 chevy putting out the same 500 hp(at less rpm,with more torq) has the potential to triple it's power
     
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    the gt-40 was designed by some guy in Britain...
    audi may have dumped a lot of money but they obviously got more then they spent, i dont see anyone waving panoz flags at laguna or sears point (infineon) raceway... which means YEA they didnt spend that much and YEA there teams sucks and whatever happened to caddy? i read they were planning to drop out of ALMS..

    ok comparing a corvette to an m3 isnt really a good comparison... WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LT1 chipped camaro that was BEARLY keeping up with the 80's m3??? that almost 15 yr old technology vs 2002.. PATHETIC u may know a lot but all i know is american cars are #3 when it comes to the worlds best JAP=#2, and European=#1

    haha and what about the mustang that needs a superchager just to get almost 400hp WITH a V8 (2003 SVT cobra), and remember your panoz is powered BY a ford V8...
    i also noticed most of these supercars dont even come to American car makers for there engines, unless they ARE owned by america.
    they use more powerful, more reliable, engines from BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, Lamborghini.

    AND DONT EVEN MENTION NASCAR..... worlds most garbage type of racing EVER... keep studying your facts
     
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    resale value on an American car isnt that good.....
     
  22. #47 Guibo, Sep 28, 2002
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    Re: Modena vs Z06

    Quote from 1mic:
    "the gt-40 was designed by some guy in Britain..."

    Duh, yeah. Didn't you see me name him up there? Anyway, the later Mk IV GT-40's (which I specifically mentioned) were designed and built in the US anyway.


    "audi may have dumped a lot of money but they obviously got more then they spent, i dont see anyone waving panoz flags at laguna or sears point (infineon) raceway..."

    How would you know? Were you even there? LOL, your reasoning is that the team with the most flags makes the best cars? LMFAO!!!


    "which means YEA they didnt spend that much and YEA there teams sucks and whatever happened to caddy? i read they were planning to drop out of ALMS.."

    Yeah, their team sucks. With merely a FRACTION of Audi's budget, beating Audi in D.C., and getting a top 5 finish at Laguna Seca.

    "AMERICAN LE MANS SERIES POINT STANDINGS
    As of 9/24/02
    LMP 900 -- MANUFACTURER
    1 Audi, 197
    2 Panoz, 151
    3 Lola, 96
    4 Riley & Scott, 83
    5 Cadillac, 71"

    Yeah, 2nd place really sucks, yup.
    Caddy? C'mon now, you should know Caddy is a part of GM. Ever heard of C5-R? (Yes, the same one that outlasted the 550 Maranello at Le Mans.)


    "ok comparing a corvette to an m3 isnt really a good comparison... WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LT1 chipped camaro that was BEARLY keeping up with the 80's m3??? that almost 15 yr old technology vs 2002.. PATHETIC u may know a lot but all i know is american cars are #3 when it comes to the worlds best JAP=#2, and European=#1"

    And you base that on what? Something you've pulled out of your ass? Besides, how do you know that was a regular E30 M3? Do you know if it was stock?
    Care to explain why BMW's M3 is now 40% larger and sprouting 50% more cylinders than the original? Hmmm? What was BMW's answer to Porsche with its M3 GTR?


    "haha and what about the mustang that needs a superchager just to get almost 400hp WITH a V8 (2003 SVT cobra), and remember your panoz is powered BY a ford V8..."

    So is the KoenigseggCC. So is the Qvale Mangusta. So will be the MG X80. Do you seriously think 400 is the maximum hp they can extract from that engine? They already got 400 hp out of the normally aspirated Mustang Cobra R.


    "i also noticed most of these supercars dont even come to American car makers for there engines, unless they ARE owned by america."

    Was AC owned by America when Shelby made the Cobra (which, in Daytona Cobra Coupe form, killed Ferrari in GT racing in the '60s, remember)?
    Was TVR owned by America when it adopted Ford V8's for their Tuscans, Vixens, Griffiths, and Granaturas?
    Was Jensen owned by America when it adopted Chrysler's 7.3-liter V8?
    Want another list of European cars that have used American engines? Here goes:

    Sunbeam Tiger

    Iso Grifo:
    Rivolta
    Lele, and
    Fidia

    Bizarrini 5300 GT Strada

    DeTomaso:
    Pantera
    Deauville
    Longchamp
    Gaura
    Vallelugna
    Mangusta

    Facel Vega HK500

    Allard J2

    Monteverdi 375 (and the entire Monteverdi lineup)

    Bristol Fighter (and entire lineup dating back to the '60s)

    Ultima CanAm GTR

    Stealth B6


    "they use more powerful, more reliable, engines from BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, Lamborghini."

    Ferrari more reliable? Bwahahahaha!!! Surely, you're kidding. Just go to evo.co.uk and check out the F355 in their Fast Fleet section. It's far from reliable. Also check out Doug Hayashi's nightmares with his F355 at www.nsxfiles.com.
    edmunds.com is trying to do a long-term test on a 550 Maranello. It's a #$%#in' joke!:
    http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/longterm/articles/49771/article.html

    BMW's are far more reliable than Ferraris and Lamborghinis, that's for sure. (Let me know if you want to read some horror stories by ex-Ferrari owners who have defected to the BMW camp.) But surely you've heard of these problems?:
    http://www.koalamotorsport.com/tech/misc/v8shortblock.htm
    http://members.roadfly.com/jason/m3engines.htm

    The only problems I've heard regarding Z06's is that during the first year of the 385-hp model, a handful consumed oil at more than usual rates. This is covered under warranty, which is longer than Ferrari's warranty (there's a reason for that!). The '02 Z06 has no such problem.


    "AND DONT EVEN MENTION NASCAR..... worlds most garbage type of racing EVER... keep studying your facts"

    Says who? You? And you are...? Don't confuse facts with opinions.


    Now, you wanna see something really interesting? Take a look at the pics below. The first one is of a BMW 2002. It has a Chevy V8 in it. The 2nd one is of an E30 M3, with a Chevy LS1 engine. Here's another M3 using American iron:
    http://www.m3supercar.com/v8.html
    Want some more?:
    http://britishv8.org/swaps/examples.htm#mg

    If you can point to a Chevy or Ford that uses a BMW (or Ferrari) engine SUCCESSFULLY, let me know. Until then, go troll somewhere else.
     
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    It's not any worse than resale on a Ferrari...that has been driven like an American car (that is, on a daily basis). Put 12K+ miles on a Ferrari every year, and watch your resale plummet. Consider the 348, which when new stickered at $95,000. Dealer markup puts it well into six figures. Now, assuming you've kept that car in a locked, sealed time capsule, it might fetch a pretty penny (as long as its brakes and shocks aren't shot due to lack of use). But real-world prices indicate you can find examples for as little as $30K. Yes, they've been driven (isn't that what you're supposed to do with a car?). But then think about other costs: insurance, maintenance, etc. In the long run, only the ultra-exotic Ferraris (288 GTO, F40, F50, etc.) really retain their values. But of course, you've got to put up quite a bit up front.
     
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    congratulations guibo, very good job<A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>. as i have always said american muscle rules. period.
     
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    I cant say thank you enough.
     

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