Murcielago or Carrera GT????????

Discussion in '2002 Lamborghini Murciélago' started by Christianmc, Aug 10, 2002.

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    Ok first wieght is the most important thing in a cars handling, but there are other factors, and one is center of gravity. I never said that center of gravity is worthless, but just because lambo lowered thier engine a couple inches does not mean it is the best handling car ever.

    Suspension set up is critical to the handling of a car, you can have the perfect chassis, but if the set-up is wrong, the car would be terrible. Now the McLaren is a great handling car, the only direct comparison I have heard an owner or test driver say is that i handles better than a NSX. The NSX is one of the best handling cars on the planet. The only car the beats it in handling is the 911. The GT2 was made for the track, so its track times are low. The McLaren F1 was not made for the track, it was made as a drivers car. The GT2's suspension is hard and unforgiving, that was porsches point to recreate the evil handling 911s of the past. They may of had evil handling, but they could tear up a track. If you tuned the GT2s handling to complience and friendlyness (also same tires) of a F1, the track times will be very similar. The equations I posted tell how much grip you need, suspension setup and tires show how much grip you have. So the carreras advantages of lower polar moment of inertia and less mas means it needs less grip to take the same corner. If they had the same grip, the carrera would take corners faster. Now since the Carrera GT has better aero (remeber based off a race car) it will have lots of downforce, which means more grip.


    Now the Carrera GT is built off a racing car chassis, so its chassis design and center of gravity will be better. Porsche knows how to make great race cars (917 and 962) so the chassis on the Carrera GT should be no exception. And thier road cars are amzing, I was looking around online and the fastest time for the Murc was 8:11 on the 'ring. That does not beat the GT2 or the GT3. Now this car has a superior design to any of those.
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from VileOne99</i>
    <b>Hey guys... shut up. Who cares? You argue about cars you've never driven OR owned. Life isn't about 0-60 times, and track records. If you get into a car, and you like it, buy it. Oh no, the porsche does 0-60 0.2 seconds faster! WOW! Amazing! Some people might like the sound of the Lambo better, some people might like the convertible better with the Porsche. With cars of this caliber, it really doesn't matter, does it? They're both very nice cars, so just shut up, please?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    nicely put.
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Ultimate Porsche fan</i>
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    LETS COMPARE THE FACTS

    LAMBORGHINI-

    Engine V12 0 - 60 mph 3.8 seconds
    Horsepower 432.5 kw / 580.0 bhp @ 7500 rpm 0 - 100 mph Not Available
    Transmission 6-Speed Manual Topspeed 330 kph / 205.1 mph
    Weight 1650 kg / 3638 lbs


    PORSCHE-


    Engine 68 degree V10 0 - 60 mph 4.0 seconds
    Horsepower 416.1 kw / 558.0 bhp @ Not Available rpm 0 - 100 mph Not Available
    Transmission 6-Speed Manual Topspeed 330 kph / 205.1 mph
    Weight 1250 kg / 2756 lbs

    CARRERA GT IS LIGHTER AND PRODUCES MORE HORSEPOWER




    read the facts the lambo has 22 more horsepower you dumb ass.


    Hey dumbass...do u think a crumby 22 horsepower will matter if the lambo is an extra freaking 882 lbs. overweight. read the other replys (TylerDruden's will make you piss your pants). less weight equals faster acceleration. Plus, it is made to take corners at speeds that would make your lambo skid off the track and go to where it belongs, the scrapyard. the 4.0 second estimated accelaration rate is not accurate. I have seen a 911 gt2 clock in at 3.6 seconds (Road at Track test), and it is heavier and less powerfull than the carrera gt. if you have anything for a brain, you will realize that the carrera gt will clock in at 3.3 if not better. with its cornering, advanced braking, and nasty acceleration it will make your fighting bull look like a cow! I am stopping myself before i write profanity about you conceded lamborgini freaks. you guys ought to learn something about cars! Murcielago is just a pretty face when compared to the Carrera GT. Damn, the Murcielago doesn't even look like a nice face, it looks like one dumb, and pouting *****. Murcielago means, "Bat". nice name, hmmm? you are willing to fork over a couple hundered thousand for something that is named a bat? that is ridiculous. i have so much more respect for the diablo than this "bat", and neither of them would win against a porsche Carrera GT. Carrera means "race" and it is a race that will leave either a diablo or a murcielaogo (bat, hahaha. what a joke) in the dust.





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    Listen you #$%#ing idiot it doesn't mean bat Murcielago is a semi-famous driver who designed this car so he could race it.

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    Hmm.... wow, we have a life.

    Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. You might win, but youre still retarded.
     
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    Listen you #$%#ing idiot it doesn't mean bat Murcielago is a semi-famous driver who designed this car so he could race it.

    Lamborghinis forever</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    ummmmm.....just to let you know, Murcielago is the name of a famous bull spared due to it's courage.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Well, Porsche races in Lemans, they have my respect that they can prove themselves.

    I will give lamborghini more credit when they make a car that is practle to drive, easy to maintain, and can prove itself in Lemans.

    Untill then, it should stay in the show room, instead of some rich pimps garage for the next few decades.

    Porsche made a car you can drive, Lamborghini made somthing that you can look at but not touch.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Now I need to talk about aero.

    The Diablo may have a drag coefficient of .30, but drag is a a function of drag coefficient times the frontal area. The F1 has a lot less frontal area then the Diablo, so it has less drag. Also the F1's fan powered downforce give it good downforce numbers. When they designed the aero on the F1 they settled on a downforce a little more than the car at 150mph. Ground effect downforce is very pitch sensitive (the reason for the F1's braking spoiler) and also the car must remain parrel to the ground. The F1 could of easliy of gotten better downforce, but if the car went over a hill or hit a bump most of the downforce would be lost. The F1 was designed to have safe handling characteristics so the car handled the same no matter what the speed, luggage (how much luggage space in a lambo), and also how much fuel. Second any road car going 217mph will have a pretty loose end (which would help handling because it easier for it to turn). Now the diablos wing does not raise the drag coefficient that much, so that pretty much means it is not working well. Look where the wing is on the Diablo GT, you would get very little downforce out of that.<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. #58 snyper, Aug 10, 2002
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    ok, when we want to talk about numbers come and consult me, because so far the Lambo has beat the GT2 and th GT3 on the nurburgring, and from the performance numbers in a straight line it also has it beat!!!, so what is ur point??? if u want to talk about a direct comparison, that is cool, i would love to see it, but so far i have seen nothing to help the Porsches case, i like the porsche and the Lambo, mind u i am a huge lambo fan, and i love the new murc, so i may be a biased, but i can not doubt that the carrera gt has alot of potential, i want to see competition in cars, it brings new cars out at a higher level of performance!!! peace

    if u lambo fans really want to see the fastest street legal car take a look at this car: http://www.lambocars.com/diablo/diablosejri.htm
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    Porsche is going to put more power into the Carrera Gt and the MPH might go up to 211. At least that is what I heard from someone.
     
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    carreragtracer, look it up, u can already order the murc with an optional 6th gear ratio that takes it to a top speed of 215mph, so i still need more evidence, please show me, i tell my friends the same thing, peace<!-- Signature -->
     
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    BadCrxSi89
    You are an idiot. You are such an idiot I can't describe. Do you think about what you are posting when you post it?
     
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    "CarreraGTracer What type of drugs were you using, porche and lamborghini of furous 580 horsepowered Speed Demon machine"

    SppedDemon24, anyone who knows anything about cars knows how to spell Porsche. So I'll assume you are stupid. And the rest of your post doesn't make sense, either.
     
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    " I don't know what carrera means and i am sure it is not traditional. "

    SpeedDemon... you are so stupid...

    It is the most traditional car name in existence. Porsches have been called Carrera since the beginning (such as in 1952 with the new carrera engine)! Ever heard of the ... Porsche 911 Carrera? One of the most famous cars ever made past and present? By the way the Miura is named after a man who was a bull breeder. Sorry, don't have much info on the other Lambos but the 350GT is definitely not named after a bull or anything associated with a bull. So enough talk about Lambo traditions being better than Porsche's. Everyone knows Porsche has more tradition—names, design, everything—and a lot more tradition, too.
     
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    "Listen you #$%#ing idiot it doesn't mean bat Murcielago is a semi-famous driver who designed this car so he could race it."


    uhhh..... you're an idiot......
     
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    <b>" I don't know what carrera means and i am sure it is not traditional. "

    SpeedDemon... you are so stupid...

    It is the most traditional car name in existence. Porsches have been called Carrera since the beginning (such as in 1952 with the new carrera engine)! Ever heard of the ... Porsche 911 Carrera? One of the most famous cars ever made past and present? By the way the Miura is named after a man who was a bull breeder. Sorry, don't have much info on the other Lambos but the 350GT is definitely not named after a bull or anything associated with a bull. So enough talk about Lambo traditions being better than Porsche's. Everyone knows Porsche has more tradition—names, design, everything—and a lot more tradition, too.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    ahhhhhhh.....
    Didn't you forgot when did Lamborghini start?
    Of corse Porsche have more tradition, or maybe they just can't come up with names.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    WHAT IN THE NAME DOES THE WORD CARRERA MEAN? N E GERMANS OUT THERE THAT MAY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS???
     
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    <b>"Listen you #$%#ing idiot it doesn't mean bat Murcielago is a semi-famous driver who designed this car so he could race it."


    uhhh..... you're an idiot...... </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Murcielago doesn't mean bat and it isn't the name of a semi-famous driver either. It's the name of a bull who, despite numerous sword hits, survived. It was decided to spare him later on because of his courage. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    You mean with the topic?
    I really don't know....<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Don't argue about the name of Murcielago any more, because you are all right. The Murcielago was named after a bull that fought and endured close to 30 spears and continued to fight; because of this the Matador granted it's life, and that bull was supposedly bred and produced some of the toughest bulls.

    Bull fighting is from Spain, not Italy, and so the name of the Bull is naturally in Spanish. The name Murcielago means "bat" in Spainsh. That's also the case with the Diablo, also supposedly named after a fighting bull and means means the Devel in Spanish. If you ask me, wether these stories are true, it's still a cool tradition for Lamborghini. (Miura, Diablo and Murcielago are named after bulls, Countach is not).

    But this has nothing to do with the topic. I'm out...
     
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    Me too.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    Let's stick to the topic of which car is better the Carrera Gt or the Murcielago
     
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    Better yet lets stick to the topic that the Murcielago is a better car and always will be....
     
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    To put some knowledge into your brains... For one thing a Porsche GT2 can and will beat a Lamborghini Murcielago! The reasons I say this is because the '98 Turbo Porsche ran a 3.6sec 0-60 time... and the newer Turbo Porsche can exceed that or atleast stay with that mark... The GT2 has a better Turbo and a fully worked engine producing almost 500h.p. rear wheel drive... You guys think the rear wheel drive will matter it wont matter Porsche has traction... And on the other Fact like previously mentioned by others the CarreraGT has a better power to weight ratio then the 996 Turbo... Which means it will eat this car for LUNCH!!! This car will be produced So I believe because I know someone that has ordered one.... That is my 2 cents to this whole thread... Its kind of stupid though Porsche is in a league of there own!
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    porsche is good, they r, but not as good as lambo or ferrari, they r the ones in a league of their own, and talking about the Porsche having a better 0-60 time it doesnt, because lambo always has and always will understate its numbers, for example, the Diablo 6.0 ran a 3.4 0-60, which is better than ur porsche, and that has a worse launch system and less power to weight ratio, and Motor trend has also said that this car could probably do a 3.2 0-60, so please shut up until u learn some new facts!!!!!, peace<!-- Signature -->
     
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    I'm back now that we got back on topic! Can you name a porsche that can do a 11.4 second 1/4 mile like the Murcielago? Even the Porsche GT1 does the 1/4 mile in 11.6 seconds.
     

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