Name 1 front engine car 160k of under that could beat this

Discussion in '2000 Hennessey Viper Venom 800TT' started by ilovesportscars, Apr 27, 2003.

  1. Re: Name 1 front engine car 160k of under that could beat this

    I think you were talking about the 427TT because the the Lingenfelter Vette runs for $115,000. It only has 650HP and has a 0-60 time of 4.5. So performance-wise, the Vette lost.
     
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    The 427tt IS the Lingenfelter Vette.
     
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    Yes, that guy was saying the vette had 7lts and 7lts = (when x by 61.057) 427CI. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A>
     
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    All I know is that Motor Trend tested the 427 Lingenfelter Vette and the Hennessey 800TT Viper and the Vette is the quickest car that MT has ever tested. Its top speed is 240, but I'm not sure of the top speed of the Viper. I'm not saying I don't like Vipers cuz they're bad@$$, it's just that the Vette is approx. .5 sec quicker to 60 and if I remember right, about .7 sec. faster to 1/4 mile than the Viper. Cuz the 800TT's 0-60 is 2.4 while the Vette's is 1.97 and the TT's 1/4 mile time is 9.9 (all this is according to MT) while the Vette's is 9.4. The Vette costs $145,000 and I don't know how much the 800TT costs. The Vette beat a 118 HOrnet Jet in the quarter mile and 0-60 in a MT article called "Vette versus Jet". Again, I say that Vipers are sweet, but if they stuck a 427 instead of a 500 and took off 2 cylinders then would it still have the same performance? The Vette has better performance than the Viper with those handicaps.
     
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    How is it a handicap? Take into account that the LS6 is a fair bit lighter than the Viper V10. The Vette is faster, true, but the fact that the Viper has a slightly larger engine or more cylinders is irrelevant.
     
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    Because the vette has a v8, and a viper a v10, doesn't mean the vette has that handicap, Considering a stock vette weighs around 300lbs. Less aswell.
     
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    Okay yeah I guess you guys are right. Oh well. None of us are ever gonna drive either of these versions of these cars. They are both awesome machines that deserve lotsa respect. <A BORDER="0" HREF="http://www.supercars.net/emoticons.html"><IMG BORDER="0" SRC="http://speed.supercars.net/cboardhtml/emoticons/smile.gif"></A> Even though I usually always know the stats I may forget considerations such as weight. My bad. Oh yeah and I'm CAdillacMA15 instead of ""23 because I'm on a diff. computer. 23 is when I'm in 3rd hour at school and right now I'm at home.
     
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    The amount of Cl/cylinder means nothing realy. Based on physics, and engineering, the smaller the displacement of the cylinder the more power you can get per litter. So the Viper acctually has the advantage. The low weight of the Vette is because of better engineering. They designed a bunch of things to be lighter, and packaged things better to bring the weight down. So how does Dodge have better engineering?
     
  9. Re: Name 1 front engine car 160k of under that could beat this

    The Viper GTS is an overall heavier and larger car than the Z06 the 427TT is based on to begin with, so a lighter engine could make a differance.
     
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    I never said, the viper had better engineering than the vette, i just posted that dodge doesn't suck at engineerig, in responce to that one guy. Like i said:

    The 800tt gets the same amount of power with 4.575 CI/ Cylinder, less than the vetteTT.

    And i'm not going to say one car has better engineering than the other.

    Now, yes the vette does weigh less, take the stock versions of the cars, the zo6 is around 3150lbs. the viper 300more, at 3450lbs.

    But you have one with a small block (346ci) v8, and one a 488ci v10 (for 92-20' models)

    But it comes down to power to weight ratio. for the stock cars, the vette Z06 is at 7.7 lbs./HP, and the 96-02' GTS are at 7.6 lbs./HP
    (probably why the zo6, gives close performance to the old viper, with both at 4secs. to 60)

    And take the srt10, at 3380lbs. and 500hp, which is 6.76 lbs/HP, hence why it can do a 1/4 in 11.7 secs.

    But back on topic, besides the vette 427tt, is there really another car that can beat this one for $110k?
     
  11. #36 DodgeMS-4, May 8, 2003
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    Re: Name 1 front engine car 160k of under that could beat this

    Your question depends on whether you mean a naturally aspirated car (from the factory untouched by any mods) or a modified car, such as a Toyota Supra which costs less then a viper even when you do all the mods - turbos, wastgate, blowoff valve, rims, tires, clutch, carbon fibre, etc. A Supra will still cost less then a viper even when it is all modded out if you dont beleive me you can look at countless magazines - www.suprestreet.com thats a good magazine and website, you can look anywhere on the net heck you can even look on this site if you like. The point is depending on what you guys are talking about being it a street legal car or a car with so many mods it can even become street legal but to answer the question of this forum yes a Supra called the Top Secret Supra and so many other supras which i dont even want to write in this post because it will be 3 or 4 pages long. Id post info on the top secret supras and others but all that will happen is peopel wont even read my post they will just discredit it because they are in love iwht the viper and not listen to anything reasonable. I am not biased against a viper heck i have driven them and i like how they handle if they are done up right.
     
  12. Re: Name 1 front engine car 160k of under that could beat this

    If you're gonna modify a brand new Supra to perform like a stock Viper then you might be able to do it under the base price of a SRT-10 (if you do it yourself and not letting a tuner company do it for you) but your Supra will not be very reliable.
     
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    Ok, i'll post the times of the $110k 800tt, and if you can find and post a supra from a tuner manufactorer that beats its' numbers for the same or less than 110k, then do so.

    Venom 800TT
    (street tires):

    0-60 mph: 3.21 sec
    0-100 mph: 6.6 sec
    Quarter Mile: 10.71 sec @ 137.6 mph
    Skidpad: 1.06g
    Top Speed: est. 235+ mph
    Braking, 60-0 mph: 110 ft
    Slalom Speed: 75.1 mph

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    I now have an answer for the topic: 1000TT
     
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    The Lingenfelter Corvette and the 427TT...but i still love this 800TT
     
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    I guess you mean the Lingenfelter Corvette WITH the 427 TT.
     
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    The thing is, no such car excists that can beat this car for under $110 000 or $120 000 or however much it really costs.
     
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    Seeing as this viper is modified, I'm assuming you're accepting other modified cars as well.

    There are quite a few Nissan Skyline r34s that run quarter mile times equal and better than the 800tt for less cost. Then take into account that its damn near impossible to put the power down in the 800tt, and the fact that the skyline is awd. Now you've got a car that can consistently run fast quarter mile times vs. one that you have to fight (even with drag slicks) to keep from excessively spinning the tires.

    Hell, there's a mechanic at a local BMW dealership with a street legal camaro that makes 1200 horsepower. And it cost him a hell of a lot less than 120 grand to build, thats for sure.
     
  19. Re: Name 1 front engine car 160k of under that could beat this

    "Seeing as this viper is modified, I'm assuming you're accepting other modified cars as well."

    Not exactly, the 800tt is modified but is also a production car (technically, b/c hennessey produces the venom 800tt package)
    So basically, any production car, from a manufactorer, or tuner.

    As for spinning tires, the 800tt was tested on street slicks, and had no problem getting power to the wheels while running a 9.99 at 139mph. Or while running on street tires and getting 10.71 at 137.6
     
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    But was the BMW mechanic's Camaro turbo converted? what block did he work with? did he do the job himself? You do realize that there's a bunch of things that needs to be taken in consideration here. Of course Hennessey is going to charge extra money for the upgrade for salaries, taxes and money into the firm, you don't think they're into charity do you?

    And what gave the stupid idea that it would be impossible to get 800 horsies into the ground in a RWD 1600kg car?

    Do a little research.
     
  21. #46 Nimbokwezer, May 29, 2003
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    Wow, yeah. I guess that was a really stupid idea. It's pretty easy to put down 800 horsepower in a 1600kg car. Real easy.

    You can spin your tires at 80mph in this car.

    Dude, I don't know what you're smoking, but I want some.
     
  23. Re: Name 1 front engine car 160k of under that could beat this

    I'm smoking a large joint of knowledge and own experience.

    First of all, I only said that you are wrong thinking that it's "IMPOSSIBLE" to get traction with 800hp while you just turned the whole thing around claiming that I said it would be "EASY" to get traction with 800 hp.

    English is not my native language but I'm pretty sure that there's a significant differance between "EASY and "IMPOSSIBLE", please do correct me on that issue if I'm wrong.

    Secondly, the 800 hp is not the real problem here. I'd say in a car like the 800TT I'd be more worried about the massive low end torque causing the tires to spin.

    The naturally breathing 468 in my 66 Impala produces roughly about 500 hp and more torque than any maxed out Supra or Skyline out there.
    I could make the wheels spin as hell if I want to, but can also make it go from 0 - 60 in less than 5 sec with only a little tire spin, on 245 Kellys.
     
  24. Re: Name 1 front engine car 160k of under that could beat this

    You gotta be kidding, 32 PSI!? WTF. 38 grand for a Supra ready to blow up.

    For 38 grand you'll get two mint condition 8 second early 70's Keith Black Hemi Cudas.
     
  25. #50 1426 cid, May 30, 2003
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    Re: Name 1 front engine car 160k of under that could beat this

    What's your point?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2415069438&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting

    Here's another 9sec car, Nova for 39k (reserve not met)

    They're privately tuned cars.

    So you're saying that b/c these cars are 40k, and run 9s they're better than......a mclaren, enzo, F50, or 800TT?

    By definition the 800TT is a production car, considering hennessey produces the 800tt package. And probably why Motortrend, car and driver, and road and track, said (at the time) the 800tt was the fastest production car.
     

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