"New" Goat?

Discussion in '2004 Pontiac GTO' started by rex4ev, Aug 10, 2002.

  1. I have to convey the let down that I feel from GM's poor handling of the GTO.

    First off, this would never be recognized as a descendant of the original. The design pays no homage to it's roots and seemlessly melds into the plethora of vehicles already on the road. There should be a few retro nuances that bring back memories of the old Goat. I'm not saying that it looks bad, just that it does'nt appear to look like a GTO. The Corvette, for example, is easily recognized throughout it's various forms.

    Secondly, this is basically a Holden Monero. Another careless money saving attempt from corporate brass. This is a clear compromise by GM and is insulting to true car lovers.

    Thirdly, from the preliminary reports I have read, this is not going to be near the top of the sports-car-food-chain. Yes it has a 350HP V8, but the performance figures are well behind the new 2003 Mustang Cobra, and the Camaro SS, of which the latter is certainly less expensive.

    Just who is GM planning to market this car to? Those of us who know anything about cars, will see the limited appeal of this incarnation of a historical automobile. A good portion of those who used to have one will not be impressed. I hate to say it, but Ford has done a much better job in their resurrection of the Thunder Bird.

    Shame on you GM. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from rex4ev</i>
    <b>I have to convey the let down that I feel from GM's poor handling of the GTO.

    First off, this would never be recognized as a descendant of the original. The design pays no homage to it's roots and seemlessly melds into the plethora of vehicles already on the road. There should be a few retro nuances that bring back memories of the old Goat. I'm not saying that it looks bad, just that it does'nt appear to look like a GTO. The Corvette, for example, is easily recognized throughout it's various forms.

    Secondly, this is basically a Holden Monero. Another careless money saving attempt from corporate brass. This is a clear compromise by GM and is insulting to true car lovers.

    Thirdly, from the preliminary reports I have read, this is not going to be near the top of the sports-car-food-chain. Yes it has a 350HP V8, but the performance figures are well behind the new 2003 Mustang Cobra, and the Camaro SS, of which the latter is certainly less expensive.

    Just who is GM planning to market this car to? Those of us who know anything about cars, will see the limited appeal of this incarnation of a historical automobile. A good portion of those who used to have one will not be impressed. I hate to say it, but Ford has done a much better job in their resurrection of the Thunder Bird.

    Shame on you GM. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->First I have to say do you think the new camaros and firebirds have anything to do with the old ones, no.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    First I have to say do you think the new camaros and firebirds have anything to do with the old ones, no.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    are you asking me or just telling me your opinion?

    i think that GM has been careless in the handling of the Camaro and Firebird as well. which translates into the poor sales figures over the past few years of said models. but in my opinion, they do have a likeness to past models.

    right now GM's biggest stumbling block is poor exterior design. need i mention some? the frightening aztec, the dull vans, the played-out Camaro and Firebird design, even the Corvette needs a facelift, and the entire pontiac line looks horrible.

    if not for their 0% financing they would not be selling these outdated designs at their present volume. they have allready killed the oldest american car brand(Olsdmobile)with their sloppy tactics.

    How many more will we see go by the way side before GM wises up?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    I essentially agree with you rex4ever. The GTO is a boring car that GM either rushed or was lazy with planning. It is a big step down from the current top-dog pontiac, the ws6. And being limited to 18,000 per year is only going to keep the price high and out of the hands of the common joe which is exactly the opposite what a pony car is supposed to be. Poor job GM.

    The only thing encouraging is that at least GM has SOME RWD V8 car that's somewhat affordable.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    the design looks like a sleek monte carlo. a poor effort at best. no wonder american cars are sliping behind. at least chrysler and ford are willing to take risks and move ahead. GM is being ultra-conservative with their new products and it's really starting to become annoying.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    the styling is nothing new and the stats are even less impressive. this is a weak effort at best.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    bump<!-- Signature -->
     
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    This is still better than what Pontiac's been doing with their latest designs. Do you really think the ultra-radical styling they stuffed into the new Bonneville, Vibe, and Aztek are a big step forward? I'd say this is the best job they've done since the days of the original Goat. It may not be the wildest-looking car around, but at least it ain't ugly like the others.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    your right, it's not as ugly as the other pontiacs. i never said it is. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    This wasnt a rushed job by GM. It was fully designed by holden and pontiac had nothing to do with the design of the monaro. Pontiac just changed the front to make it look like a pontiac
     
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    you help to prove my entire point. GM has handled an American icon rather flippantly. this act is what is so insulting. <!-- Signature -->
     
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    whats a goat
     
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    <b>whats a goat</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    man, this is what i'm talking about! you idiots dont even know that's the GTO's nickname! grow up and learn about american muscle car culture before you go and sing praises to bob lutz.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    man, this is what i'm talking about! you idiots dont even know that's the GTO's nickname! grow up and learn about american muscle car culture before you go and sing praises to bob lutz.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    LOL! I'm surprised you didn't call him "bob klutz" or something <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
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    lol. i think he may be bob lutz<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
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    come on gm, you are capable of so much more origanality, are'nt you?<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from rex4ev</i>
    <b>come on gm, you are capable of so much more origanality, are'nt you?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Dude this is originality, because it's a pontiac design. It's not like anything else. It looks kind of like a grand prix, but not much.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from rex4ev</i>
    <b>come on gm, you are capable of so much more origanality, are'nt you?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Dude this is originality, because it's a pontiac design. It's not like anything else. It looks kind of like a grand prix, but not much.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I think it's a HOLDEN design actually.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    A LITTLE? Hmm...when was the last time you got your eyes examined? Secondly, how original is it for GM to take a car chassis, and spread it around, only just putting a new skin on it?
    Gee, that original, but I forgot that the GM Corporation is the king of platform sharing, so it doesn't matter....or something.
     
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    although I do agree with some of rex4ev's statements about this car not being up to it's potential, I am still pleased that they are producing it. I admit it does bear a great deal of similarity to other pontiacs and that it would be nice to see a little better performance, but I have no control over the people creating this car so what can I do. In my opinion the most important thing is that when they decided to bring back the GTO they did it right. The modern Impala, Monte Carlo and Malibu don't deserve the names of their rear drive V-8 ancestors. The only way I would have been truly dissapointed would be if they had stuck a GTO badge on some 250hp Grand-am.
     
  21. New "Goat"?

    That may be all well and good, but can you even afford one?
     

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