Re: nothing but a piece of crap Like I have told you 5000 times now, you cannot make conclusions from testing 2 cars. You could find a HSV GTS and a GT and find a GTS with 3kw more, it just depends on which 'pick of the bunch' you happen to get. Don't talk about Holdens with crappy drivetrains when Ford have transmissions that cannot tollerate over 180km/h, a gearbox in the 'tunable' XR6T that, from the factory, is at its design limit for maximum torque - so much for a tunable car. What the hell would you know about the quality of materials used? Please explain. Who cares if the GT-P is more powerful than a Clubsport R8, it is of no use when it cant translate it into better performance times. A bus is more powerful than the 2, but you don't take the bus do you? Who says the GT has a better gearbox? Most reviews have said that they are about as good as each other. Not that there is any weaknesses in the R8's brakes. If you need more, spend a few grand and option the GTS brakes. Which are the best. After doing that, the GT-P would have nothing on the R8.