With the amazing amount of comparisons made with Lingenfelter Vette/Viper 800tt, and the times used being those achieved on slicks, I began to wonder why people don't take the time to look for times without slicks. Who here has actually seen the slicks in person, and are they honestly comparable to street tires? I think most people who have seen them (myself included) will say definately not. They are about twice the size of standard tires (of course that varies by car, but you get the idea). Also, I must say DOT regulations surely aren't strict to let tires like those pass tread limits. There is next to nothing keeping these from be full drag slicks. There are maybe 4 or 5 lines of extremely narrow tread running down the center of tire and nothing more. Also, as to the size | | |______| assuming this was a standard tire on a Vette | | This would resemble the "Cheater" slick. |__________| I don't whether times are available for the Lingenfelter Vette without slicks, but I know there are for the Viper, and it's not that hard to make rather accurate estimates. Maybe next time you bring up a tuner car, do so without slicks, okay?