Re: About peugeot and citroen rally teams....

Discussion in '2001 Citroën Xsara T4 WRC' started by porschemania, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. About peugeot and citroen rally teams....

    As most of you know, Peugeot has a long motorsport history from circuit races like F1, leman24 to offroad races such as pikespeak, paris-dakar and WRC. They're concentrating most on WRC these days and they're one of the best teams out there. Citroen's motorsport history is not as shiny as Peugeot's, but they challenged rallying for some time. The xsara has a short history on WRC, but it won alot of rallies at the backstage and now, it's grown enough to challenge it's mothercompany's team!!!
    But peugoet and citroen r merged companies right? Wouldn't there be some connection between their rally teams? Although citroen won alot of tiny rallies with this xsara, how could they pop out and win their first race? Skoda and hyundai kept racing for several years, but they're still somewhere down there on the chart. I hope somebody could answer this cuz, i'm really curious.
    Baba guyz.
     
  2. They didn't win their first race, but they led for a while until mechanical problem struck. But they did win a race at San Remo i think.

    About the car, I think they might have some small connection with Peugeot, but not much I think. Besides, French car have been dominating tarmac round anyway, and for the last year's few races it ran, 3 of them are tarmac rallies with the "tarmac experts" driving....<!-- Signature -->
     
  3. citroen's and peugeot's are related. their websites talk about it a bit, so i assume that citroen got some help w/ setting up. thats prolly why they have done so well. plus they have very good tarmac drivers.
     
  4. Citroen and Peugeot are sister companies.

    As for the T4. It won it's 1st race last year in Corsica with Jesus Puras. The Xsara itself though, won it's 1st race in 1999 when it was still an F2 car!! It won the Cataylunian rally then. C yas!! Mafs!!<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. PSA, who own both Peugeot and Citroen, have been struggling for a year or two now trying to decide what to do with 2 rally teams.
    Although VolkwagenAudiGroup ran both Seat and Skoda for a while, and there is even talk of VW themselves coming into WRC, the costs are too high to justify running 2 or more teams.
    As far as I know, the Citroen team is not competing in the full WRC season this year - just selected events (probably tarmac events).

    I heard last year that PSA said Peugeot was their main WRC brand and Citroen would be left to run in national events, I even read an article somewhere saying the Xsara T4 WRC was being RETIRED at the end of last season because PSA management could not allow the two companies to compete at the top of the sport.
    I don't know whether the article was just talking crap, or if PSA have changed their minds ... but I wonder if there will be two PSA works teams running cars next year, and if Citroen continue the season they way they have started - which team will be axed ???<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. First of all the Citreon cars have been running on tarmac national rallies for years, and have had a long time to set up the car to be competitive on Tarmac, and hiring Tarmac specialist drivers. In 99 they won two tarmac events in a F2 Xsara(front wheel drive), There cars where alowed to be lighter than the WRC's and both events have dry tarmac giving these cars an advantage. In 2001 they launched the T4 and competed on mainly tarmac rallies, winning one. This year they are running mostly rough gravel rallies, because this is there weakness and they want to develop to car to be competitive in all surfaces, that right there tells you that Citreon are here to stay, at least for the next 5 years, they've allready commited to a full 2003 season.
     
  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from porschemania</i>
    <b>As most of you know, Peugeot has a long motorsport history from circuit races like F1, leman24 to offroad races such as pikespeak, paris-dakar and WRC. They're concentrating most on WRC these days and they're one of the best teams out there. Citroen's motorsport history is not as shiny as Peugeot's, but they challenged rallying for some time. The xsara has a short history on WRC, but it won alot of rallies at the backstage and now, it's grown enough to challenge it's mothercompany's team!!!
    But peugoet and citroen r merged companies right? Wouldn't there be some connection between their rally teams? Although citroen won alot of tiny rallies with this xsara, how could they pop out and win their first race? Skoda and hyundai kept racing for several years, but they're still somewhere down there on the chart. I hope somebody could answer this cuz, i'm really curious.
    Baba guyz.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You seem to forget that Citroen won the Paris Dakar several times with their ZX Rally Raid , which was just a 405 T16 (strangly not on this site) with a ZX body !

    Moreover , there can't have connection with Peugeot because Peugeot subcontracts the engine(just like Mercedes F1 with Illmor)! Citroen rally team produces its own engine.
    And Citroen uses a 3 disks clutch whereas Peugeot only uses a 2 disks clutch , a different clutch for a different engine !
     
  8. To put things straight, Citroën went bankrupt (well, not officially)
    during the 1970ies and Peugeot took over. So its P that runs a lot
    of things in C, especially when it comes to racing. The famous P205
    rally car had a gearbox that was a developement from the Citroën SM
    gearbox, so its not only Citroën that have benefitted from the co-operation.<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Alessandro</i>
    <b>To put things straight, Citroën went bankrupt (well, not officially)
    during the 1970ies and Peugeot took over. So its P that runs a lot
    of things in C, especially when it comes to racing. The famous P205
    rally car had a gearbox that was a developement from the Citroën SM
    gearbox, so its not only Citroën that have benefitted from the co-operation.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    What ?????????

    Citroën used to belong to Michelin when Peugeot bought it !!!

    No bankrupt , official or not.<!-- Signature -->
     

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