Re: All American Cars Suck, Jap Cars Will Kick their ass

Discussion in '2002 Dodge Viper GTS Final Edition' started by 69 MUSTANG, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. To the guy whos dad had a corvette that broke down, that was because he bought a chevy. They have a tendency to do that. Just jokin all car companies have their share of crappy built cars. But most american cars are made really good because every car Ive owned was american accept for like two and they never had problems at all.

    But for the people that say american cars really do suck (usually the jap lovers), then how come we have trucks that will smoke some of the best of the jap cars?
     
  2. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SRB The Punisher</i>
    <b>Vipers are meant for dragging mostly.
    Great Accel..but this car sits a lil too high for my tastes in a supercar.
    The Vette is the American handling car. Awesome car.

    As for the dude before this one complained...hell man..all cars have their defective ones. My friend got a new M3..and the damned VANOS crapped out on him and a valve and camshaft broke.
    Car had to be completely replaced.

    Hell atleast the vette had a secondary system failure..
    just a computer..not completely mechanical failure.

    Funny thing is for all those Euro and imports you talking bout..they cost bout 3x as much to repair.

    As for ratting..the Z06 does not rattle. The Viper does a little..but only on very rough terrain.

    I dunno wtf you talking bout buddy.

    Also..M3 is great for guys my size..like 5'6"-5'8"...but for guys 6' and more cuz then the rear seats would be hell and you'd be sitting way behind the centre of the car..bad vis.
    I got one..and I love it. No tech troubles yet. But if there is...I'm going to go poor for fixing it =P

    DA PUN
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    How did your friend drove his M3??? My friend's M3 is still running pretty fine, and he drives it to school everyday. Who cares about the passengers that are sitting behind...<!-- Signature -->
     
  3. why does everyone keep talking shit about the vipers handling? Have any of you driven them? I have several, and they handle better than most of the cas on the road, ferrarris includied. I will prove it to you thanks to our friends at motor trend

    viper Aprox, $80,000 (probably a little more)
    slalom: 72.5
    skid: 1.01
    0-60: 4.1
    1/4: 12.2

    ferrarri 360 modena Aprox, $160,000 (depends on where you buy it)
    slalom: 66.6
    skid: .93
    0-60: 4.5
    1/4: 12.9

    Now look i am nt saying that the viper is a better car than a ferrarri, I am just trying to point out that saying the viper cant handle is ignorant, with numbers like it puts up, it is one of the best handling supercars in the world. It has a race designed and tuned fully independent suspension and when you get beneaththe car and actually look up at it to see how it is composed you will be bown away at how beefy it is. when you drive it you will be even more blown away at how well it grips, and communicates with the driver. The downside is that the instant that you lose control there is almost 0% chance of you getting it back, but it is pretty hard to lose control of this car.Dont say that the viper cant handle it makes you sound ignorant.

    Second the reliability issue. After working closely with a local dodge dealership, (actually in the service dept) I have learned something, that is that Vipers dont break usless the driver breaks them. Neons and intrepids on the other hand? Well thats a different story. But vipers are very reliable and long lasting. The most recent viper in for service at my shop was a 1993 in for schedualled maintanence at 120,000 miles. (the moron drives as a daily driver) but the fact that he has never had a problem with it for 120000 is amazing. And you why, it is becaus ehe kept up with his preventative maintanence like you do in every car. If you dont keep up with it is a porsche or ferrarri they will break also.
     
  4. ya it did rattle, dont tell me i was imagining it. the m3 is also no "made of of plastic" because plastic melts in the sun and i havent seen an m3 melting b4, have u? american sports cars are also non-innovative. a front engined car with an 8.0 liter v10 could have a lot more hp and be much smaller. THe carrera gt (german) has i think a 5.5 liter v10 that outputs around 550 hp. It annoys me when all of you say how good the viper venom 800TT is, but its not that great of a car. Sure, its one of the meanest drag cars ever built but vipers have poor handling. this is why i like the well known lotus elise. It has an NA 1.8 liter four cylinder engine but is a fast track car thats light and nimble. corvettes are good track cars because they are light and quick but they dont make good street cars because they are unreliable and are extremely unsafe. On the other hand, german cars are all much safer and built better. just fyi my dad now own the safest car in the world, the audi a8/s8. Dont tell me volvos are the safest, those national studies dont include audi cause they dont sell that many cars here. sure i know there are lemons in every model of car built but all these problems persisted in many of the corvettes.

    O ya, about the HUD, it said system failure and the entire car shut down, engine and all and would not turn on until it was taken to the dealership. Pushing your brand new vette across four lanes on the freeway is not somethin that was just a little computer error. If the vette was built well with good parts that last, it would be heavier, cost more to manufacture, and be less profitable. All these companies wanna do is make money so they build the crappiest cars allowed by law and sell them. German car companies try to do the same but their DOT requires much higher standards than ours does here. THat is why german cars are better. For example: for the radio slot of the chassis, many american cars just cut a rectangle out of the chassy to fit the radio in. In germany, this would be illegal because nothing is allowed to invade the structure of the chassis. That is just one reason y german cars are better than american ones...

    Who has one the Le Mans 24 hour race recently? Audi. who before them? Porsche. both german. I like the classic american cars like the gt40, old vettes, camaros, etc, but the ones now are just built for profit margin.

    What is the highest net gross profiting car company in the world?
    PORSCHE. where is porsche form again? GERMANY. Just look at the facts.

    I cant really argue with american trucks, that is pretty much all the options we have besides toyotas. I'm not much of a hater either, I like my share of american cars too, saleens, DODGE SRT-10s, lol, and that new gt40 i dont know about yet but it looks promising if it can at least stay below 100,000$ (which i was told it wouldn't) wouldnt u rather have something like a porsche over the ford gt40? i know i would for my life but i would take the gt40 for the track, depending on which porsche, (not if it was between the gt40 and a turbo)

    feel free to respond how u like, i will not flame you for posting your opinions, whether they be based on facts or distorted views, just think about some of the things i said
     
  5. the profit margin part is too true. most companies are just looking for ways to line their pockets with gold and have all kinds of money to tell their friends about. the viper is way too plasticy for a car that costs that much... The big engine part is also part of the profit margin since its cheaper than researching a new technology that pollutes less and produces more power. my truck has the powerstroke in it for a whopping 235hp from a 7.3l. at least the new 6.0l powerstroke is a vast improvement over the previous one. too bad i cant afford another 40,000$ truck this soon.<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from frosty_bollocks</i>
    <b>Whatever least the m3 can turn at more than 10mph before the cars snaking down the road.
    German cars are in general built to last and are of a very high standard.
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    Give me a break. Even a Bronco II can turn at 10 mph.<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. Hehe. I like that. Very nice. I gotta hand it to ya. Good to see some people appreciate all cars that are great performing and great lookin. <!-- Signature -->
     
  8. Hmmm, just a question:
    1969 Pontiac GTO Judge, 8 zylinders, 5.5 litres or less, 300+ hp, RWD, poor, really poor handling, about 25 litres gas/60 miles.. Now go 33 years into the future:
    2003 Viper GTS, 10 zylinders (adapted from a truck engine), 400+ hp, RWD, poor handling (it just gets better if u put one of the biggest rear-wings on it), about 25 litres gas/60 miles...
    Did U ever thaught of improving your cars???
     
  9. Good joke. Only MOST american cars suck. The viper especially. So its only 80k and performs like a ferrari. Does it handle as well? NO. Does it last as long? NO. Breaks down after 35000 miles. New ferraris dont even have their first scheduled tune-ups until 30000 miles. And they look better and handle better.

    Only truly worthwhile american car is the Mosler. I'll take any of them...<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. Carbon Fibre I am sorry to hear about your mis-hap with the vette there man, but like you said all cars have there lemons, my father has had 1 98 vette coupe a 99 hardtop and 99 conv, and has never had a single problem, except with the 99 hard top the auto headlight feature never worked the way it was supposed to, but you know little piddly shit s a pain but lal cars have them sometimes too. As for the vette being cheaply built, you are in denial, all of the major car mags have had nothing but astounding praise for this gen of new vettes, nothing but good words. And you are the first person that i have ever heard say that a sports car was too light, oh my, you need to rethink that.

    You are entitled to your opinions of every car and i respect that. But manytimes opinions are biased due to pre existing prejudices (or likes and dislikes) jsut keep that in mind.
     
  11. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Qubeley</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SRB The Punisher</i>
    <b>Vipers are meant for dragging mostly.
    Great Accel..but this car sits a lil too high for my tastes in a supercar.
    The Vette is the American handling car. Awesome car.

    As for the dude before this one complained...hell man..all cars have their defective ones. My friend got a new M3..and the damned VANOS crapped out on him and a valve and camshaft broke.
    Car had to be completely replaced.

    Hell atleast the vette had a secondary system failure..
    just a computer..not completely mechanical failure.

    Funny thing is for all those Euro and imports you talking bout..they cost bout 3x as much to repair.

    As for ratting..the Z06 does not rattle. The Viper does a little..but only on very rough terrain.

    I dunno wtf you talking bout buddy.

    Also..M3 is great for guys my size..like 5'6"-5'8"...but for guys 6' and more cuz then the rear seats would be hell and you'd be sitting way behind the centre of the car..bad vis.
    I got one..and I love it. No tech troubles yet. But if there is...I'm going to go poor for fixing it =P

    DA PUN
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    How did your friend drove his M3??? My friend's M3 is still running pretty fine, and he drives it to school everyday. Who cares about the passengers that are sitting behind...</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Ya, and at least the M3 has 4 seats unlike the Vette and the Viper.<!-- Signature -->
     
  12. All American Cars Suck, Jap Cars Will Kick their ass

    Hahahahaha, just kidding, wanted to see how many hits that would get. I actually love American cars. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
  13. LOLOLOL<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. It is a good thing u like american cars because if u were serious i would have to say i hate u!<!-- Signature -->
     
  15. I like a lot of american cars like the vette but dodge vipers suck- they are overpriced, oddly weighted, rattle, and are very cheaply and poorly built.
     
  16. U scared me there for a second, I thought I would have to give u a lecture about how people who say shit like that disrupt meaningful conversation by enthusiasts about the latest supercars.

    Good joke
     
  17. Some American cars do suck like the Saturn, but the new one that supcars.net showed was decent. The viper to me is the best American car. Vipers are the only American cars that I like. Corvettes and all the other American cars SUCK.(to me that is)
     
  18. phew, scared me for a sec...
     
  19. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from goodcars</i>
    <b>I like a lot of american cars like the vette but dodge vipers suck- they are overpriced, oddly weighted, rattle, and are very cheaply and poorly built.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    YOU THINK THE VIPER IS OVERPRICED???? HAHAHA YOU MADE ME LAUGH...MORON... PLEASE TELL ME HOW 460 HP O-60 IN 4 FLAT IS OVERPRICED? WITH A SIMPLE UPGRADE OF $55,000, YOU HAVE THE FASTEST STREET CAR...VIPER 800 TT.. 0-60 IN 2.4. HOW IS THAT OVERPRICED?
     
  20. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from ILikeCars</i>
    <b>Some American cars do suck like the Saturn, but the new one that supcars.net showed was decent. The viper to me is the best American car. Vipers are the only American cars that I like. Corvettes and all the other American cars SUCK.(to me that is)</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Please explain why you think corvettes suck, they are sweet cars. Don't get me wrong, this is wicked too. But corvettes rock.
     
  21. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from mher</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from goodcars</i>
    <b>I like a lot of american cars like the vette but dodge vipers suck- they are overpriced, oddly weighted, rattle, and are very cheaply and poorly built.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    YOU THINK THE VIPER IS OVERPRICED???? HAHAHA YOU MADE ME LAUGH...MORON... PLEASE TELL ME HOW 460 HP O-60 IN 4 FLAT IS OVERPRICED? WITH A SIMPLE UPGRADE OF $55,000, YOU HAVE THE FASTEST STREET CAR...VIPER 800 TT.. 0-60 IN 2.4. HOW IS THAT OVERPRICED?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    DAAAMMMMN STRAIGHT!
     
  22. ah, how can you forget the GT40, i cant wait till i see one rollin down the street ill shit my pants and catch the guy and make him give me a ride.....

    but he wont cuz we wont want shit in his car.
     
  23. actually, most american cars do suck. they dont last very long, are less reliable, and they are built shitty. dont give me stories about how your friend's friend's mom's friend has a taurus that has lasted (insert number here) years. the fact is, european cars are the best, especially german cars because thegovernment has much higher standards in germany which requires them to build better cars. Classic american muscle was cool but current american cars are just plain crappy. I am sure all u viper and corvette fanboys are gonna try and flame me now but i know from experience. My dad bought a 2000 corvette targa and while on the freeway, the "high tech" HUD said system failure and the whole car shut down. THis was only one of many problems and we had the car replaced 3 times under the lemon law at different dealerships and they all had problems. Plus things rattle around all over the place and u cant fix it. The fiberglass cars can almost sustain no damage and u are risking death just sitting in that can of tin. For the kind of money a viper is, i would rather get a BMW M3 or something and use the remaining money to hook it up further.
     
  24. actually, most american cars do suck. they dont last very long, are less reliable, and they are built shitty. dont give me stories about how your friend's friend's mom's friend has a taurus that has lasted (insert number here) years. the fact is, european cars are the best, especially german cars because thegovernment has much higher standards in germany which requires them to build better cars. Classic american muscle was cool but current american cars are just plain crappy. I am sure all u viper and corvette fanboys are gonna try and flame me now but i know from experience. My dad bought a 2000 corvette targa and while on the freeway, the "high tech" HUD said system failure and the whole car shut down. THis was only one of many problems and we had the car replaced 3 times under the lemon law at different dealerships and they all had problems. Plus things rattle around all over the place and u cant fix it. The fiberglass cars can almost sustain no damage and u are risking death just sitting in that can of tin. For the kind of money a viper is, i would rather get a BMW M3 or something and use the remaining money to hook it up further.
     
  25. Vipers are meant for dragging mostly.
    Great Accel..but this car sits a lil too high for my tastes in a supercar.
    The Vette is the American handling car. Awesome car.

    As for the dude before this one complained...hell man..all cars have their defective ones. My friend got a new M3..and the damned VANOS crapped out on him and a valve and camshaft broke.
    Car had to be completely replaced.

    Hell atleast the vette had a secondary system failure..
    just a computer..not completely mechanical failure.

    Funny thing is for all those Euro and imports you talking bout..they cost bout 3x as much to repair.

    As for ratting..the Z06 does not rattle. The Viper does a little..but only on very rough terrain.

    I dunno wtf you talking bout buddy.

    Also..M3 is great for guys my size..like 5'6"-5'8"...but for guys 6' and more cuz then the rear seats would be hell and you'd be sitting way behind the centre of the car..bad vis.
    I got one..and I love it. No tech troubles yet. But if there is...I'm going to go poor for fixing it =P

    DA PUN
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