Re: American Muscle at its finest,,,,540???? is that right,,,,da

Discussion in '2001 Pontiac Firebird Raptor Concept' started by greghourigan, Aug 10, 2002.

  1. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BigWillman</i>
    <b>first off greg... The Ferrarri runs a 13.2 in the Quarter according to Road & track, and if you think that this beast of a TA runs slower than a 13.2 you are sadly mistaken. That TA runs probably mid 12's Naturally Aspirated, in fact i know that it does because at the track last weekend two z28's broke the twelve sec mark and they had minimal mods, and only 344 bhp at the wheels. so i think that like always you are speaking with out knowing what you are talking about. Second the ferrarri is built as a road car, or a track car, not for quarter times like this TA was built for. And if you do want to compare your Lotec Concept thats fine, just check to see how it does against the Camaro ZL1 concept, just check because the Camaro has hundreds less hp but i think that you will be greatly disapointed to find that your 1330 hp beast, which is bad ass by the way, loses tho low tech pushrod V8 Camaro.

    Now supra guy, i respect supras a great deal because i have driven several including highly moded( 530hp ) Twin Turbo supras. I do not like them because of the way that they look , i hate that ugly ass wing that they come with and people put shitty nast body kits on them and make them look retarded. Stock to Stock the Trans Am Firehgawk will beat the Supra TT in the Quarter and 60 but if you put 200$ into freeing up your breathing in your supra you will walk on the TA. But just so you know Stock to stock american cars dont get slapped around by your supra. And if you want an eaqually priced american car then compare it to the Z06 which walks all over you TT. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> STOP LIEING! OMG everyone who has a road and track in there house, go get it now, look in the back under ferrari 360 modena, now see what it says for 1/4 mile times! 12.8 secodns!( not the 13.2 u listed and said was in the same mag) mean while a stock fire bird is a 14 second car! thats a huuuge difference, now i always find road and track times to be a little on the slow side, so i brought out a motor trend, now they clocked the ferrari 360 modena at 12.2 seconds, thats an entire second off the time u listed, and u know how big of a difference a full second is in the 1/4 mile, thats like comparing a fire bird to a stock honda civic. now u want to talk about handling? well how about the fire birds 60mph in the slalom?! bahaha! thats pathetic, a cadilac seville is faster through the slalom and thats just about the biggest car i can think of! or u want to compare suvs? lol how about a bmw x5 beating a fire bird in the slalom? wouldnt that be a site! well its been done, check the numbers if u want to in road and track or any other car magazine, the only things that the fire bird out preforms in the slalom are cars like the lincoln ls and mercedes ml320 SUV. thats pathetic!<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. if thats american engineering at its finest id hate to see it at its worst omg, thatd fukin suck
     
  3. hahaha<!-- Signature -->
     
  4. although this is a sweet ass car i dont quite think its american muscle at its finest. but still a cool car.




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  6. ivan, i seriously dont care if i lose my account, i dont really care that much...... and any car that gets its hp from nos means a lil less than fecal matter to me
     
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  8. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from WRX</i>
    <b>Umm i am a fan of Ferrari all the way.. But I have to say you are a little wrong.. That Firebird would do more than give a 360 a run for its money. It would absolutely blow the doors off it. In the 1/4 mile anyway. The 360 would take it on a track obviously since the car gets most of its power from N2O.
    </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->what the hell are u saying? correct me if i am wrong, but did u just say that the 360 gets its power from Nitrous? riiiiight, lol i am not even gonna start with out wrong that is....sorry that the ferrari can achive 400hp with only a 3.6 litre v8 and nothing american can touch it...now as for the 360 getting its ass kicked LOL, HAHAHAHA, right! need i remind u, that fire bird is a concept and nothing more, never gonna make it to production. and u can not say that its gonna kick the shit out of it in the 1/4 mile cuz we dont have an 1/4 mile times to prove that with. now i am looking at a motor trend and they have the 360 at doing 60 in under 4 seconds, the fire bird needs almost 5 and a half to do it. now lets see, the fire bird already has more then 300hp, so add 240 and i still cant picture that car doing 60 under 4 seconds, it doesnt fit. oh and ur damn right about it getting its ass kicked in the trach, but thats be serious for a moment, who the hell would take a mullet loving fire bird (i dont care if it had 1000hp) over a ferrari 360 modena?<!-- Signature -->
     
  9. greg, you must be 5 years old...he's saying the FIREBIRD gets the nitrous...you keep embarrassing yourself! and there you go with that 0-60 crap. the only reason why the birds 60 time is that high is prolly cause they are trying not to peel the rubber off the rims with all that torque. this car would MURDER a 360...and i don't care if it is concept! and if i'm going to pay that much for a car, it damn well better have some bad ass hp/litre. like i've said before, those cars are built to the peak of their performance level, american cars and other such domestics are not. any car person knows that. man, you suck at this! <!-- Signature -->
     
  10. i suck at what? 10$ says if i re-joined this forum under the name "i love everything american" you would be my new best friend. the way that post was worded made it seem the 360 was on NOS, stock. besides which that the hell does NOS even have to do with this post? dont tell me that fire bird is running off NOS...anyways 540hp still wouldnt be enough to kick the shit out the 360, not even in the 1/4 mile. u and i both know it. now, as for regarding something of an issue of comparing a car that u can actually buy to that of a concept car, well then why dont i compare a Lotec Sirus with over 1330hp? this debate is pointless. and as someone else worded it earlier (for lack of a better line) its like comparing apples to oranges<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. #11 SupraTT, Aug 10, 2002
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    It's a American "muscle" car, when:

    It looks like s**t.
    It WON'T handle.
    It has no turbo(s).
    It gets slapped around by a Supra TT.

    Check this out: http://www.mkiv.com/videoarchive/avi-mpg/junsupra_full.mpg

    But this is just me <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
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  12. first off greg... The Ferrarri runs a 13.2 in the Quarter according to Road & track, and if you think that this beast of a TA runs slower than a 13.2 you are sadly mistaken. That TA runs probably mid 12's Naturally Aspirated, in fact i know that it does because at the track last weekend two z28's broke the twelve sec mark and they had minimal mods, and only 344 bhp at the wheels. so i think that like always you are speaking with out knowing what you are talking about. Second the ferrarri is built as a road car, or a track car, not for quarter times like this TA was built for. And if you do want to compare your Lotec Concept thats fine, just check to see how it does against the Camaro ZL1 concept, just check because the Camaro has hundreds less hp but i think that you will be greatly disapointed to find that your 1330 hp beast, which is bad ass by the way, loses tho low tech pushrod V8 Camaro.

    Now supra guy, i respect supras a great deal because i have driven several including highly moded( 530hp ) Twin Turbo supras. I do not like them because of the way that they look , i hate that ugly ass wing that they come with and people put shitty nast body kits on them and make them look retarded. Stock to Stock the Trans Am Firehgawk will beat the Supra TT in the Quarter and 60 but if you put 200$ into freeing up your breathing in your supra you will walk on the TA. But just so you know Stock to stock american cars dont get slapped around by your supra. And if you want an eaqually priced american car then compare it to the Z06 which walks all over you TT. <!-- Signature -->
     
  13. Someone with a sense of intelligence here (BigWillman). I say experience is better than any words; has any of you ever driven either car (I know I haven't)?. You guys are comparing apples to oranges here and some of you don't see that. The 360 Modena was strickly meant as a road car, light, nimble and respectively fast. However the Firebird your talking about here is meant for the quarter mile not as a road car. I think you guys should try comparing this firebird to a mustang of the same caliber. Then you can talk about big heavy cars that can't handle all you want <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  14. There is no mustang of the same caliber. And for the size of these cars theey handle very well, not Modena like handling or s2000 handling but very respectable, predictable, and sure footed. Nimble for being large.
    And yes i have driven most of the cars we talk about, no 360 modenas, but several trans Ams, several Supra TTs, mustangs, one s2000 (which i was to big to fit in comfortably), a few vipers (remember i work at a Dodge Dealership in service) a prowler, several corvettes of many different years and a 2001 Z06. I have driven good handling cars, and some of these TAs and Camaros are among them, especially for their size.<!-- Signature -->
     
  15. #15 BigWillman, Aug 10, 2002
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    allright greg the times that i listed for the ferrarri are wrong you are correct, they were for the 360 spyder, my bad. Now the Stock trans am, not the WS6 with an even tighter suspension, runs 13.4 in the quarter (98 TA according to motortrend) and it's slalom is 65 mph not 60, so you yourself should stop with the bullshit. according to Road and Track, the 360 mopdena runs a 12.6 not the 12.2 in the quarter and a 67.5 mph in the slalom. now as for the the X5 beating the TA in the slalom according to Road and track and Car and Driver the 2001 4.4i X5 runs 63.6 mph in the slalom, (for all of you math majors out there that is slower than the trans am, am i wrong the greggy poo?) Once again you did not not do your homework like you said you did. Now the cadillac seville STS that you said beat the TA in the slalom didnt either, it pulled 62.8mph according to Road and Track. So the next time that you pull out a bullshit card on me, make sure that your facts are straight as well. Because neither of the car/truck that you mentioned came close to beating the TA in the slalom. Now in case you want to try to prove me wrong the site for you to go to is www.autosite.com. (al of their sorces for information are the major automotive publications) But come on you need to try and come up with some accurate figures for once, or are you just another tragic victim of public schools who did learn the difference between the numbers. its a damn shame.<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. Why do people always bag on domestics? When will people understand that all cars have their strengths and weaknesses and to say that one car is better than the other in terms of looks is entirely subjective and is based soley on opinion. Also, when people compare cars, at least compare cars in the same category...Ferrari 360 Modena=$140k-$160k. Pontiac Firebird Trans Am=$32k.<!-- Signature -->
     
  17. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from WS6 46n2</i>
    <b>Why do people always bag on domestics? When will people understand that all cars have their strengths and weaknesses and to say that one car is better than the other in terms of looks is entirely subjective and is based soley on opinion. Also, when people compare cars, at least compare cars in the same category...Ferrari 360 Modena=$140k-$160k. Pontiac Firebird Trans Am=$32k.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    indeed that's so true...
    but perhaps they were comparing the Ferrari to the Pontiac because this concept packs more punch than a regular Firebird ...
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  18. speed is nothing without control, therefor a firebird will never be as good as an s2000 sorry
     
  19. shiatsu, you sir, are retarded. <!-- Signature -->
     
  20. Ok wow, an S2000 can go 70 in the slalom....HORRAAAAAYYY!!!! It's gonna lose as soon as it hits a straight away. OOOOHHHH....the highest specific output of any engine, no one cares, because the engine is so damn small anyways(just like your penis). WOOOO HOOOO, 8,000 RPM rev limit, well it doesn't make power til 4, geez, you are dumb. Now, 3 reasons to pick a TA over an S2000, REASON NUMBER 1.....your penis doen't crawl up inside of your rectal cavity when you are handing over the check for a Trans-Am. REASON NUMBER TWO......540hp, compared to 200(again, your penis reaches maximum size of only .32 inches). REASON NUMBER 3.....Sure you can take the corner going fast, but you don't have the torque to launch out of it, why? Because you have an S2000. I'll even throw in a additional BONUS REASON for you. BONUS REASON.....Pontiac vs. Honda, might as well throw rice in the fuel tank followed by a healthy dose of soy sauce, because Honda's(very much like your penis)are small and very homosexual. Need I say More, No. Shiatsu, you really really are retarded.<!-- Signature -->
     
  21. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from thefiredept</i>
    <b>Ok wow, an S2000 can go 70 in the slalom....HORRAAAAAYYY!!!! It's gonna lose as soon as it hits a straight away. OOOOHHHH....the highest specific output of any engine, no one cares, because the engine is so damn small anyways(just like your penis). WOOOO HOOOO, 8,000 RPM rev limit, well it doesn't make power til 4, geez, you are dumb. Now, 3 reasons to pick a TA over an S2000, REASON NUMBER 1.....your penis doen't crawl up inside of your rectal cavity when you are handing over the check for a Trans-Am. REASON NUMBER TWO......540hp, compared to 200(again, your penis reaches maximum size of only .32 inches). REASON NUMBER 3.....Sure you can take the corner going fast, but you don't have the torque to launch out of it, why? Because you have an S2000. I'll even throw in a additional BONUS REASON for you. BONUS REASON.....Pontiac vs. Honda, might as well throw rice in the fuel tank followed by a healthy dose of soy sauce, because Honda's(very much like your penis)are small and very homosexual. Need I say More, No. Shiatsu, you really really are retarded.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->uh huh, nice post, it was just missing something, intelligance. wow, no it red lines at 9000, however it rev limiter doesnt kick in until close to 10000 revs. now, the fire bird does not make 540hp, the frig'n concept car thats never gonna make production does. the s2000 also doesnt make 200hp, it makes 240hp. slalom doesnt count? okay u just shot urself down there, yes it does count, what the hells the point of having a car if it doesnt have a chance in hell of handling. the s2000 already can beat a stock fire bird in the 1/4 mile, and it also out handles it, so it really makes it the better car in terms of preformance. its also the most luxurious, best transmission, not like the fire birds where u have to put a good half of ur body weight to friggn push the gear into 1st. the s2000 has been said to have the best shifter on the market. it also has a 6 speed, something the fire bird doesnt have. and is it just me, or does the last two posts i did get deleted defending the times i posted on the ferrari. motor trend got it to do the 1/4 mile in 12.2 seconds, road and track got it to do the 1/4 mile in 12.8 seconds, and the firebird is 14 seconds. also, the seville pulls 62.8mph in the slalom, the bmw x5 pulls 62.6, the T/A pulls 60.0, and finally the s2000 pulls 65.9 (motor trend got it to do 70mph, which is faster then the CORVETTE Z06!) so yeah, i think slalom means something, but of corse cuz the T/A sucks in it, it must mean nothing right?<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. Hey, Sh!tlicker or whatever your name is. First, I said "NO BE GAY" for comical effect. I also had to use the caps and the short sentances because apparently he can't read and kept telling me different things and being dumb. Third, I dont like NASCAR, its gay. I like GT racing, I like Le Mans.



    Note: You wanted to know what "NO BE GAY" really means, It means don't be yourself, because your a homosexual.


    BigWillman,

    Your my hero.

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  23. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from thefiredept</i>
    <b>Ok Puffy, lets break this down. First off, how can it red line at 9000, but the rev limiter doesnt kick in until 10?? Hmmmmm, REDLINES at ->*9**LIMITER*^6^
    </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> if u read my post, you would see that i said it red lines at 9000revs, and doesnt have fuel cut off until closer to 10000revs<!-- Signature -->
     
  24. first off do not just say that this car sucks, if you want to say that back it up with some facts and not some crap you make up.

    Second this is one more example of an american car that could crush it's competition for about 1/3 the price. End of discussion<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from LegendNH</i>
    <b>first off do not just say that this car sucks, if you want to say that back it up with some facts and not some crap you make up.

    Second this is one more example of an american car that could crush it's competition for about 1/3 the price. End of discussion</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->back it up with some facts? i have, in all of my posts in this stupid forum. everyone here has rediculous bias to nationistic pride and to their ugly ass fire birds. listen, i just posted a tonne of FACTS. look them up if u want to, the slalom speeds, 1/4 mile times and skid pad readings are all real. accept it, this isnt the greatest car ever made. not to mention this car doesnt even have one preformance stat listed. and seeing the engine is significantly bigger then the original and that it is also a convertable, i dont believe they are as heart stopping as u would think.<!-- Signature -->
     

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