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WHAT THE F U C K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why is ther all this S H I T about american,japanese, or what ever!!!!! who cares, fast cars are fast cars why does it really matter if they are on cheater slicks or street tires, why does it matter about how a car will do on the track, why??????? why can't we all just agree that fast cars are cool no matter where they are from? the viper TT has 800hp and does 235mph, so why does it matter where it is from it's still cool. I know i probly sound like a broken record, but i don't care all of this turf war S H I T is getting really old. I like any car that looks cool or goes fast, why can't all of you stupid F U C K E R S that start this S H I T do the same. I have said what I wanted to say and now I'm done.

 

Guibo that post was meant to show that your figures were off. And it did. And Ferrari does specialize in cornering, braking etc. but the 355 is the lower performance car. They obviously put more F1 engineering in the much more coveted F50. Or should they have built 3 identical cars at the time?

Good comparison with the Dodge Ram, now that’s a performance car too? You’re losing credibility again.

And I’m well aware of when the Viper began production but you obviously missed another point. When the 355 achieved those slalom times it was a while ago and something (or many cars) have probably surpassed it by now. Read through it twice if it helps.

Answered what. Did I say I was a car tester. They lose power. Enough said. If you don’t know that then you don’t know as much about cars as you think you do. Because I’m an importer I should have a chart on how every car reacts to its compliance conversion. I find cars and arrange to have them shipped. The mechanics and technicians responsible for the conversion would be able to give you figures. So break their balls.

Once again I am right. Notice they didn’t put the GTS or ACR with cars in a smaller class! Again read through it twice if it helps.

Watching racing is educational. In that case we all have degrees you idiot.
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All I have to say is DAMN, this is the longest thread on here I think!

 

Gsolinas I’m going to have to disagree with you. When you said that the 550/575 was in the same class as the Viper GTS and the 360 was in the same class as the RT/10 I think you were overly accommodating to the Viper fanatics here. The truth is the 550/575 are two completely different cars. One with a 3.4ltr V8, mid-engined and the other with a 5.5/5.75ltr V12 front engine. Whereas the Vipers are very similar. They both have 8ltr V10s up front. I think the better comparison here is the 575 vs. the GTS and the 550 Barchetta vs. the RT/10. It makes much more sense. As far as I’m concerned the 360 is in a lower class based on engine displacement. Yet it still competes very well and even beats the RT/10 in many ways (ie slalom). But guys like guibo won’t like that b/c that doesn’t suit them.

You want good points dweebo. Look at these stats from R&T.
2001 550 Barchetta top speed 186mph. That beats the GTS-R at 185 so imagine what the difference would be in a 2001 RT/10. I’m trying to find stats on one but I keep getting a lot of n/as.
I already know someone will bring up the 2003 RT/10 which to be honest has impressive numbers. 195 top speed and 4.5 0-60 I think I read. But what they won’t mention is how they added another .3ltrs to the engine. So since the barchetta is no longer being produced it will be hard to compare the two but I have heard that a 575 barchetta may be in the near future. I’m sure those two will make for a fine comparison.

Boohoo they cost more. Tough shit you get what you pay for.

-Stop with the Ram talk please. You’re digging a hole for yourself.

-Americans assemble their cars in Mexico and Canada and then preach AMCAR Pride. LOL Then your response is that 360 metals come from the States. Again nice try but very different. Lamborghini helped design the engine of the Viper which is the heart of the car. Much more valuable than some panels.

-real drag slicks? The ones that were used weren’t standard road legal tires. WE ALL KNOW THAT.

-elite wolverine you obviously never sat in a Ferrari.

 

Dude, you're such the hypocrite! Complaining about increase in displacement? Did you know the only major difference between 550 and 575 is .25 liters? 5.5 to 5.75? And compare them to a Viper? Viper would dog the 575 around the track. LOL. The 360 is faster than the 550. It might be close between the 360 and 575. And you rpobably have never sat in a Ferarri either.<!-- Signature -->

 

yes exactly dude, thats wut ive been arguing for a while now, the stats are so #$%#ed up on this site, ok if u order or take in yur viper to get the venom800 package its gonna cost ya 55K and it makes 800hp, but the viper owned by john hennessey himself had a bit more done to it making 833hp exact, and the standard venom800 made 850ft lbs torque compared to the 902 of the john hennessey owned venom800. and exactly wut it says on the site it did 2.4 in the rain, but its posted as 2.7, plus, y isnt the car tested off the rain, u ferarrists wait till this 800TT is on dry hot pavement to be tested for its 0-60 and 1/4 mile and standing mile run and top speed(hasnt even been tested yet)you'll shut up once they can drop a few more 1,000RPM added to the old from the rain runs, and like gasolina said, they always post false stats in magz. from testings, the car that wins is always the writers favorite, same as in racing videos, such as this lingenfelter vette vs. a STOCK viper on its website, how bullshit is that, and did u notice it wasnt even a #$%#in 1/4mile it was runnin, clearly by looks? it looked like the viper guy threw it in reverse insted, they always post the mess-ups, such as that team geko racing site, they claimed sum honda civic beat a viper, well lets see, at first (1)the guy in the viper had really bad tire spin (2)he couldnt even find second gear, and the civic had 1/4 of the tract left to go, once that guy in the STOCK viper found second that viper hauled ass down that tract and lost by made half a car lenght if even that...the only site i have seen true video runs is in the hennessey site....full lenght run videos and they dont race souped up against stock on there

 

Am I a #$%#ing mechanic? Every car is different. I know the cost of having it done to a 360 is $16k US. That’s all that is important to me.

Are you done putting words in my mouth yet? You compared a Dodge Ram to performance cars, not me. You’re an idiot.

Holy shit I have seen plenty of tests where they heavily favoured American makes. Speedvision is notorious for that but to do it every time is just plain stupid. By you splitting hairs you aren’t proving anything.

Why wouldn’t you believe this site? You believeded the 800tt 0-60 was without slicks. LOL

Now I have to prove I know Viper owners? You must be twelve. A) who the #$%# are you to be constantly demanding proof all the time on everything that gets posted, and B) how could I possibly prove that to you without violating their privacy.
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gsolinas, just go to another forum, like the Bugatti Veyron. They probably won't ask for proof. Anyway, your the one in the 800TT Forum stating that this isn't that fast, so without proof, its just a statement or opinion. Asshole. It's like going into Harlem with a "N*****'s are slow" sign on. You are gonna have to prove it. Or just stay in Klu Klux Kanada where everyone believes you.<!-- Signature -->

 

The KKK is American born you #$%#ing hypocrite. And he never said it was slow. I saw him and myself responding to all the "Veno, is better" posts all over this site. How the #$%# can he prove he knows Viper owners? Besides that tells me you don't know any. LOL You guys are probably all still in high school.

Guibo the cars lose power after a compliance conversion. Everyone I know in this field knows that and takes it into consideration. If you don't then that makes you the idiot. Not gsolinas. You want proof? Look at gsolinas' post. Fast-cars.net showed the test of a Euro 360 while the mags you post are the US modified version. See the difference? Yet you need more proof. You are exhausting because no matter how much evidence is thrown at you, you demand more. This isn't court asshole. Gsolinas doesn’t have to prove shit, he’s right and you are nobody. You don’t want to believe it fine, stay stupid, at least you won’t stick out where you are. And don’t try to convince us that you don’t think that Vipers are better then Ferraris because every single one of your posts are trying to prove exactly that so if that isn’t what you are trying to do then what are you saying? Don’t answer that I’m really not interested. Even if Vipers were faster then every Ferrari out there (LOL) there would still be a whole bunch of other cars that could wreck Vipers including this one. If you need proof for that then you are all children that have no business speaking with adults.

Oh yeah I almost forgot. The Viper was co-designed by who? That’s right Lamborghini. So take your American pride and choke on it. Half you cars are assembled in Canada and Mexico anyway so your beloved manufacturers don’t share your patriotism. Hey maybe that is why they go for so cheap. Let me guess, proof right. I believe Caravans and other piece of shit Dodges, Chevs and other GMs are assembled in a city called Windsor Ontario Canada. For you idiots out there, it borders Detroit. I’ve seen the building.

 

You didn't comprehend my post, did you? Leave this Forum, Okay? Yes, even you, the gsolinas clone, must leave.

I mean if he didn't care, he wouldn't be here, Right? But night after night he post in American car forums. Lamborghini co-designed the Viper? so Lamborghini co-designed 'American Crap'! Hmm... they did! But at that time Lamborghini was owned by Chrysler! So comparing Vipers and Diablos is like comparing 360 to 575.

I'll say it at the end of my post too.......

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i dunno wut the hell u guys r arguing about.....this viper could probably cream any ferrari...800 hp? top speed of 235 mph?! c'mon..that's gotta be one of the fastest cars.....im not taking sides...im just stating my mind.

 

The Viper RT 10 is in the class of the Modena. But the GTS is in the class of the 575, F50 etc.

You admit then that they did use slicks. Thank you.

I haven’t proved shit. I never really set out to prove anything but I did prove that faster cars do exist and I also proved that this car was run on slicks. Might be tough to swallow but you’ll be alright.

Younganddangerous, the F50GT is faster.

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Hey even better if it was a US Modified version. That means the Euro version would have had even better times. Oh and some metal components of the Modena are American, well then slap the stars and stripes on her too. LOL. Companies buy products from all over the place to build a car but Lambo helped design the engine, that is totally different. And honestly for someone crying about proof all the time what have you proved besides the fact that you obviously need a girlfriend or a hobby Mr. 5000+ posts. You want dyno charts to prove common knowledge among intelligent car folk try this site www.yourea#%$.com And like gsolinas said before, even if the difference was 5% which it may very well be, even less for some cars and more for others, wouldn’t that make a significant difference considering how close those times are? And stop grouping cars in classes according to price. I guess the Bentley Azure and Murcielago are in the same class too then according to your stupid theories. But then you are an idiot so I’m not shocked. Anyone stupid enough to bring the Dodge Ram into a performance car conversation has to be inbred. LOL
gsolinas mandallo a cagare.

 

even so he already proved that the f50 isnt that much faster if faster at all than a GTS...hell it brakes worse...and vipers arnt the best braking cars in the world u know, but it out braked the lighter super-exotic by a long shot.

u showed times for the f50 at the 1/4mile to be 12.1 then showed a 11.9's...so he showed a 11.97 for the viper...u still ignored the fact that the gts is up to par with the f50.

damn and if u think the f50 is luxurious then the viper is well i dont know super-luxurious...or some bs word like that...arm rests are pure carbon fiber...if laying ur are on carbon fiber is luxurious then laying ur arm on the leather rest for the viper must be pure heaven.

ok lets put the rt/10 against the modena...he stilled proved to u that the rt/10 will beat it.

jzz accept the fact that vipers are amazing cars...and compete not only with its "class" but many other "classes" as well.

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Why would the RT/10 and GTS be in different classes? Are the 360 and 360 Spider in different classes? Man, why do you guys always sound like your talking out of your asses?

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All of u make me sick!!!

It is a nice car and the 360 is a nice car so why do u have to compare every god damn 0.001 second; "Ferrari is making sports cars since Jesus was born and Dodge -trucks"; "the 360 is 2 cm shorter"; and so on. I know one thing I love the Dodge Viper and i love the 360! These are two good cars and i bet that if a Viper fan had a 360 he won't throw it away coz he's a viper fan and he hates Ferraris and the same thing for a Ferrari fan! So please calm down and admitt that both cars are a piece of "art"!!!!!!

 

Hey Guibo, I wouldn't waste your time with jcazz and gsolinas, they are also the exact same person.

http://www.supercars.net/Msg?viewThread=true&forumID=0&threadID=92663

LOL, another idiot trying to make himself sound good. Good job gsolinas/jcazz. That is truly pathetic.

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LOL again, hadn't gotten to this thread before the last and it is damn funny. Guess they(HIM) really do know everything(LOL), probably 15 year old Yankee dorks to ashamed of their homeland. sigh.<!-- Signature -->

 

LOL the Ferrari 360 is faster than the 575. Holy shit you’re dumb. And the only difference is .25lts? Try improved intakes, and F1 paddle shifting gearbox.

A GTS wouldn’t beat the 575 around a track either so before making a statement like that back it up with something that isn’t bullshit.

Poor showing? It is at a severe disadvantage and still beats the Viper flagship in many ways.

Congrats you named a magazine article. Look at the new RT that is on stands right now, you won’t like what you read about the GTS or ACR.

Officially tested where, your backyard? You are the one who says that American car mags are not biased and accurate, now your questioning it. I think jcazz hit a nerve.

Good point about the light to light, too bad lights are usually too close together for those tenths of a second to make a difference. Put them on the highway and the RT10 will get spanked.

Go ahead and minimize the importance of engines and Lambos role with the Viper but the fact is they were involved and the engine wasn’t redesigned for gen2 it was modified. In other words there are still traces of Lambo in it.

Slicks are slicks. They helped with the results therefore what you are saying is like an athlete telling drug testers, “but I only did half a cycle of steroids”.

I am jcazz? Why because we are both right. More than one person can know more than you guys you know. But since you think you are so smart…prove it. LOL It’s ok just another thing you guys are way off on, I’m used to hearing your bullshit by now.

I think you guys just ran out of arguments, it was almost working out with the whole “lets compare the most powerful Dodge to the weaker Ferrari but now that jcazz threw in a twist you’re all #$%#ed. LOL Time to throw in the towel. This ones over.

Jcazz, bene fatu! I’m surprised I never looked at it that way. I think you really put their minchias in aria this time. Happy to have you here frate. Brucciali!

Usually the accusers are themselves guilty. For example, whoever “Gunther and TNTkingsnake“. Nice try flamers.

And I’m anything but a yank. I don’t even like visiting the States and I’m on it’s border for a couple of months a year. That’s why I like it more in Toronto, and Europe when I’m there. Less ignorance. Don’t all start crying, I know there are exceptions but guys like Meradur are poster boys for what everyone else can’t stand.

And Meradur, you have Ford at the end of your name, so really none of your arguments should hold any weight.
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Guibo:

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