Re: Camaro killer for sure

Discussion in '2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra' started by BigJoeT, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. Can't anybody provide links!!??<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. #27 whiteGT, Aug 9, 2002
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    Oh for Christ sake...
    Car and Driver - '03 Cobra 12.9 1/4 Mile >>
    http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/2002/june/200206_roadtest_mustang.xml?&page=2


    Car and Driver - '98 Camaro SS saying it runs 13.5 1/4 mile
    It's the SS with 5 less horsepower than the current model, so I'll give you 13.3 for the new ones but heres their artical...
    http://www.caranddriver.com/xp/Caranddriver/roadtests/1998/October/199810_shorttake_chevrolet_camaroz28ss.xml?Manufacturer=Chevrolet&Name=Camaro&class=22

    Don't forget that the Cobra was also tested to run quicker, but since I dont have the link that you "require", for the sake of argument well just say it runs 12.9 for now. Which IS faster than the SS. Read up, shut up.
     
  3. Theres your proof dumbass. Read it and weep!!!people like u make the world a whole lot dumber
     
  4. You also have to think about the HP diff though....Cobra has 60 more HP than the CamaroSS, and its running like 4/10's of a second faster than Camaro. Right now, all I have on my 98' Z28, is a RamAir kit, DragRadials, an exhaust, and a HPP3, and I am running 12.76's in the 1/4. I am only pushing around 350 HP and I can keep up with the new Cobras. Yes I admit, Camaro's have to put a little bit more mod's to keep up with the new stangs, but its nothing like a supercharger. My friend just recently put a ProCharger on his 99' SS, and he is running 11.96, including a HPP3, Mickey Thompson ET's, and an Exhuast. The mustang is a fast car, but until I see a Cobra go up against a supercharged LS1, and beat it enough to talk shit, I will keep my mouth shut about Mustangs vs Camaro's.
     
  5. they are heavier also.<!-- Signature -->
     
  6. I think these guys are talking STOCK vs. STOCK. An SS cost about the same as the SVT, so the Mustang finally does get bragging rights. Don't sweat it. F-Bodies had the bragging rights for years, don't let it get to you that much. Whatever mods you can do to the Camaro, you can do double that on the Mustang. Face it, Mustangs are more popular. That's why I always liked Firebirds, there are less of them on the road. I mean, this '03 Cobra is the only one that will make me turn my head('00 Cobra R's would too, but only there's only 300 of them, I will probably never see one!), too many tuned ones make them less unique. If Chevy had dropped the LS6 engine in a F-body, which an aftermarket company has, it would beat the Supercharged Cobra, but would perform like the Z06, making it pointless to buy a $50k Vette when you can buy a $35k Camaro. So except it, the STOCK '03 Cobra is faster the STOCK '02 SS.<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from StangKiller(LS1)</i>
    <b> You also have to think about the HP diff though....Cobra has 60 more HP than the CamaroSS, and its running like 4/10's of a second faster than Camaro. Right now, all I have on my 98' Z28, is a RamAir kit, DragRadials, an exhaust, and a HPP3, and I am running 12.76's in the 1/4. I am only pushing around 350 HP and I can keep up with the new Cobras. Yes I admit, Camaro's have to put a little bit more mod's to keep up with the new stangs, but its nothing like a supercharger. My friend just recently put a ProCharger on his 99' SS, and he is running 11.96, including a HPP3, Mickey Thompson ET's, and an Exhuast. The mustang is a fast car, but until I see a Cobra go up against a supercharged LS1, and beat it enough to talk shit, I will keep my mouth shut about Mustangs vs Camaro's. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Ok..first off...your drag radials are assisting your 350hp car to reach 1/4 miles times just barely equal to a 390hp Cobra on street tires. A new Cobra ain't running 12.7 on drags if it runs 12.6 on reg. tires. Also, the horsepower difference theory. The SS is also pulling about 60 more horses than a stock Mustang GT and is also only pulling 4 or 5/10s in the 1/4 mile. Same difference. And if you want this car to race a supercharged LS1, that LS1 is not "stock" like the Cobra...and is not a fair race if your trying to compare a stock car to another. Then lets just compare a stock SS to a Mustang with a 5.8 Litre 351 Windsor with a Vortech attached if its going to be that kinda party.
    And again...fear...your dumb. And what year did mustangs end production?
     
  8. #33 bigvic, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 428cjpower</i>
    <b>Bigvic your full of shit. u r just pissed cuz this can run laps around your precious ss. stop dening it, this car would rape a stock ss. and where ever there is a tuned camaro, there will be a better tuned mustang that will kick the living shit out of the camaro. stop tryin to talk out of your asshole and realize that this car will beat an ss.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Okay listen I already said this pile could beat my SS.Shit,read all my FU*KIN posts.Damn you ford guys need to learn how to read!!! What kind of ride do you have.I think I could "run laps" around it.Like I said, wherever there is a better mustang there will always be a better Camaro,thats what makes the rivalry good.YOU DAMN ROOKIE!!! I know a Camaro that can "rape" this pile.Go to:
    http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/camarozl1videos.html
    This is proof of a really fast Camaro.Remember,when there is a fast mustang,there will always be a faster Camaro!!! Wheres your proof? You damn newbee!!!
    Also,might I add,it's street legal!!!
     
  9. It's amazing how everyone compares cars that have been modded.

    Ok, here's my opinion on the new Cobra vs. an SS:
    If you take an SS right off the factory, and a Cobra right from the factory, do NO work to either car, forget about slapping on drag radials, Cold Air inductions, etc., the New Cobra will outrun an SS straight out of SLP. It is going to be one hell of a sports car, and Kudos to Ford for coming out with it.
    Believe me, its not an opinion based on if i like Fords or GM's, because so far i've owned 3 Third Gen Trans Am's, a 1996 Pontiac WS6 Formula, and a 1998 Mustang GT. I stuck with my F-Bodies until last year when i sold the 96, and sold the GT earlier this year. Having driven both at the exact same time, I liked both cars for different reasons. Unfortunately, I personally feel that GM's FBody design is VERY tired. I still love em, dont get me wrong, but the basic interrior design has not changed since 1982!! The Current interrior has been around since 1993 with no change!! Anyone who says there is nothing wrong with the FBody design is nuts!.
    I liked the GT because I actually had a REAL trunk (although not huge), not a tiny slot. But performance was not too impressive with out modding the car.

    So its not another "oh, its a Ford" closed-minded opinion, just stating the obvious facts. Ive been on both sides of the wheel for both makers, I found reasons why I like each car, but in all reality, the Camaro will bow down to the new Cobra.

    GM doesnt 'care' about the FBody. That's why they are cancelling the Trans Am, and putting the Camaro on the back burner. GM Execs had soooo much time to re-design the car from the ground up, but didnt. Instead of asking FBody owners of what they wanted in a car, they just sat around and watched the parade go right by until it was too late. The FBody is dead because they didnt try.
    If GM would have noticed there is a lull in their performance car sales, and Mustangs were STILL selling like hot cakes, wouldnt they think that it is not the fault of SUV's? Maybe people are just tired of the same basic car design. From the 1997 to the 1998, they changed the nose and tail of the cars.... congratulations. It still uses the basic interrior design that was in the 1982 Fbody- the passenger Catalitic converter hump, lackluster seating, non existant trunk. Sure you can say a sports car only needs two seats, and who needs a trunk, but come on. A slightly more usable cargo area would have been nice.

    Well that's my rant and opinion.<!-- Signature -->
     
  10. I agree. Ive had two Mustang 5.0s (89 and a 93), and think they are great, and reliable. Of course they have their flaws, but I like em. I've thought about getting a Camaro a time or two, Firebirds for some reason just dont sit well with me. The F-cars are fast as hell, but like you said, I really don't think GM cares nearly as much for them as Ford does for the Stang. Im a car guy, I wouldnt mind seeing the Camaro return at all, but I just think GM will come out with a completly new performance car instead. But who knows. But yea, agian,
    a 100% stock SS, or WS6 vs. a 100% stock Cobra...cobra takes it. In pretty much every catigory.
     
  11. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from ThelVlaverick</i>
    <b>This thing would deffinitely crush a Camaro. Chevy knew the end was near, thus, they cancelled the Camaro production.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    hmmm... I wonder why this thing would crush a Camaro,oh wait,I know why IT'S SUPERCHARGED!!!
     
  12. Yep the Zo6 Still Reigns supreem over the mustangs. And to the ford guys im talking production stangs ok. Cause i know i will get a stang fanatic that will say "yea well mustang has a concept 426 liter v-42 with a trillion hp that will beat the zo6" lol
     
  13. and i wonder why gm was faster than a mustang duh bigger engine. you guys are just being babys, its super charged, the 2001 wasn't and how much slower was it than the SS not by much so stop your crying.
    and how is it when we say the GT40 beats the vette you retards say look at the price. well same aplys here look at the price.
    my point is be a man and accept the fact this car is good.
     
  14. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BigJoeT</i>
    <b>Well DUH! If you slapped a supercharger on an SS camaro it would go faster than the cobra. Thats like saying "yea the 5.0 the escort killer"</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Stop your whining. It's really getting annoying.
     
  15. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from mariowrc</i>
    <b>and i wonder why gm was faster than a mustang duh bigger engine. you guys are just being babys, its super charged, the 2001 wasn't and how much slower was it than the SS not by much so stop your crying.
    and how is it when we say the GT40 beats the vette you retards say look at the price. well same aplys here look at the price.
    my point is be a man and accept the fact this car is good.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Uh, this Cobra might be a few ticks slower than a Z06, but costs $15,000 less. This Cobra will beat a 350 hp C5, and still costs $5,000 less. The 2001 Cobra was tested against a 2001 Camaro SS, and Ford found the lost Hp, so it pumped out a true 320 hp. Both cars ran about the same times. Who cares if it's supercharged? It's stock. That is one factor when comparing these cars. I think people that cry foul just making an accuse for when they get romped buy this Mustang. "You only beat me 'cause you have a Supercharger, Whaaaa!!" <!-- Signature -->
     
  16. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from BigJoeT</i>
    <b>Well DUH! If you slapped a supercharger on an SS camaro it would go faster than the cobra. Thats like saying "yea the 5.0 the escort killer"</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    No it wouldnt. I have stated this in many posts, because it seems to be the comeback for people to say that if they put a supercharger on a camaro ss it would be faster than a cobra. Ford engines respond better to forced air than Chevys pushrod engines. Checkout Vortechs website: These were their results after installing superchargers to both cars:

    416HP 2002 Camaro SS
    464HP 2001 Cobra
     
  17. Yea...the supercharger argument is really getting old. bigvic, you dont want anyone to bring up some super dooper concept car, yet you are comparing a mustang to a Z06? If the Camaro was the supercharged ones you wouldnt be whining about any blowers. RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG...all I gotta say.
     
  18. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 428cjpower</i>
    <b>Bigvic your full of shit. u r just pissed cuz this can run laps around your precious ss. stop dening it, this car would rape a stock ss. and where ever there is a tuned camaro, there will be a better tuned mustang that will kick the living shit out of the camaro. stop tryin to talk out of your asshole and realize that this car will beat an ss.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Wow. Even a tuned SS? Thats really informitave. Rape? Gee wiz. I don't want my car to get raped! Listen there boy, if you think this car will rape SS's, let alone tuned versions, you are horribly mistaken. This will be the greatist battle of all time.<!-- Signature -->
     
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    <b>All im saying is that they don't appeal to hardcore muscle car fans.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    WRONG. They don't appeal to YOU. Don't forget, without the mustang there would have never been a camaro, firebird, charger, etc.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Your both right and wrong hoseman. Without the mustang their probably would have never been a camaro, firebird, etc...but even with the mustang their's no camaro, firebird, etc...
    I think that the mustang appeals to the hardcore muscle car guy. Its a powerful car that is highly tunalbe, what more does a muscle car guy want? My neighbors have a 68, and a 69 mustang, both under construction, a nova, and a tricked out mavoric (sp), yet they still want a new gt or cobra, why because muscle car guys like to do things to their cars themselves, and with the aftermarket for the stangs, they can do pretty much whatever they want to a newer stang.
     
  20. A mustang is not considered a muscle car. It's considered a "pony" car.Same with the Camaro.I just found that out a few days ago.I myself thought that the Camaro and the mustang were pure muscle but they aren't.Older mustangs and Camaros are cosidered muscle cars.
     
  21. I think people will continue to consider it whatever the hell they want to consider it. 390hp seems like enough muscle to be deemed a "muscle" car if you ask me.
     
  22. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from whiteGT</i>
    <b>I think people will continue to consider it whatever the hell they want to consider it. 390hp seems like enough muscle to be deemed a "muscle" car if you ask me.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Hey I was just saying.I myself will still consider the mustang and the Camaro to be muscle cars regardless the year of the car, weather it's a '69 Camaro or a present day Camaro or a 69 mustang or a present day mustang.They will always be considered muscle cars in my book.
     
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    <b>I think people will continue to consider it whatever the hell they want to consider it. 390hp seems like enough muscle to be deemed a "muscle" car if you ask me.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Hey I was just saying.I myself will still consider the mustang and the Camaro to be muscle cars regardless the year of the car, weather it's a '69 Camaro or a present day Camaro or a 69 mustang or a present day mustang.They will always be considered muscle cars in my book.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Same here, I'll always think of the mustang, camaro, firebird, etc, as muscle cars. The guys who say otherwise are probably older balding men who can't see past the late 60s early 70s muscle car era. I also consider the viper and the z06 muscle cars, both have over 400hp, and are damm fast, so why not.
     
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    <b>I think people will continue to consider it whatever the hell they want to consider it. 390hp seems like enough muscle to be deemed a "muscle" car if you ask me.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Hey I was just saying.I myself will still consider the mustang and the Camaro to be muscle cars regardless the year of the car, weather it's a '69 Camaro or a present day Camaro or a 69 mustang or a present day mustang.They will always be considered muscle cars in my book.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Same here, I'll always think of the mustang, camaro, firebird, etc, as muscle cars. The guys who say otherwise are probably older balding men who can't see past the late 60s early 70s muscle car era. I also consider the viper and the z06 muscle cars, both have over 400hp, and are damm fast, so why not.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->I totally agree with you American HP with the whole Camaro Musatng thing,but I don't know if the Viper should be considered a muscle car, I consider it to be a sports car,but hey thats just my opinion.
     
  25. All of you are all FU*KIN stupid for liking american cars!!! This mustang and all cameros and other domestics FU*KIN suck my cock!!! This car is a slow pile of shit and I would crap on it any fu*kin day as well as any other american car you want to throw at me in my 1000hp supra!You can't touch me in you domestic piles of shit!american cars are poorly made pieces of garbage.
     

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