Re: Honduh are not good, my stang is faster

Discussion in '2001 Honda Integra Type R' started by 70SuperBee, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from CivicMan</i>
    <b>Seriously...for all you domestic owners who hate imports..I have question for you. Do you all get off with rice or something? Whoever it was that said your car was your personallity..very true.

    Import - smart person, works hard for results (ie - spending own time and money on it...)

    Domesitic - ignorant person, lazy...wants company's to do work for them...)</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    People that categorize cars so generally are Bigots, go to your clan meeting or black panthers meeting and kill someone of a different race while you are at it you racist bastard.<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. I am sorry but I have to cut in....its getting too heated. I think everyone has missed the point. First of all honda doesn't have a v4 its an inline 4. There are cars with a v4 engine but they are few. The honda integra/Acura rsx is a nice looking(to me)car. For all those people who talk about comparing a 4 cyl to an 8. listen to this. POWER IS POWER. Please don't believe that v8 just means power. First of all, if your at the line, whats going to determine who loss is not hp directly, but torque, along with weight. People compare the v8 to the I4 because they cost about the same price. Making any sense. To be truthful hp/ liter ratio is useless just like how NFL commentators can tell us how good a team is in the first quarter or how many points they average per game in the second quarter. If you notice most Japanese cars with 4 cyl have a high redline thats because the 4 pisons have to work harder and faster to get the horsepower. I am really sicken by somemany people who come up here saying honda this honda that..., my ls1 firebird...a car is a car peps. Some guy comes up here talk bout all the mods he put on civic engine swap blah blah blah, no disrespect guy....but why?? How long are you going to keep that?? Plan to make it into a weekend warrior??(older guys will know what I mean)... COme on get a supra or 300zx, rx7, 3000gt....there so much to choose from. The integra is a sports coupe...until it has rwd at least 300 hp it will not be a sports car....think about it....besides cadillac how many FF cars come with 300hp??? Zero.....yes . Making corners is easier in a smaller vehicle always. But come on, you can love it or hate it...just be realistic please...actually...besides the NSX honda doesn't make super fast cars...just something to raise some pulse which is good. <!-- Signature -->
     
  3. You're right, torque for the most part determines who wins the race. Why compare a V8 to an I4? Because you can get more torque from a higher displacement engine. <!-- Signature -->
     
  4. thats right. thats why i drag race in my semi truck. lots of torque<!-- Signature -->
     
  5. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from buzzbomber</i>
    <b>thats right. thats why i drag race in my semi truck. lots of torque</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    How many times to I have to spell it out for you? In most (non-diesel) engines high toque will always = high horse power. Weight is also a major factor and I'm sure your Semi Truck weighs a lot more than a car

    When you dyno a car, it does NOT measure horse power. Only torque and PRMs. Torque is the amount of force turning your wheels, not horse power. All horse power is, is the amount of work your engine is doing. More torque means your engine is doing more work. Higher RPMs also means your engine is doing more work. The unit of measure for (the work your engine is doing) in the United States is horse power which is (Torque x RPM) divided by 5252.

    So when it gets right down to it, torque is REALLY what's making your car accelerate. That's why your Semi Truck has so much torque. You need gobs of toque to move something so big and heavy.

    It would be interesting to see what your Semi could do if it weighed only 3000 lbs. <!-- Signature -->
     
  6. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SeansVette</i>
    <b>Absolutely! Weight is a VERY big factor. Gearing is another factor. Even horse power is a factor. But consider this....

    When using a larger displacement engine the gain in torque and horse power more than makes up for the gain in weight.

    Horse power is actually a factor because horse power helps "carry" the speed, although it's not as big of a factor as torque. And don't forget, having a lot of torque will almost always give you a lot of horse power. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> gotcha. so, if you have lots of torque, horsepower is easy right? but what if you have lots of horsepower? that doesnt necessarily mean lots of torque does it? oh, also, (this is not cynical, just a question), if torque is so important, then why does everyone talk about horsepower? i mean, viper 800TT, Z06 404HP, etc. if you do lots and lots of mods to upgrade your horsepower, will that upgrade your torque, or does that just depend on the modification made?

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    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from buzzbomber</i>
    <b>thats right. thats why i drag race in my semi truck. lots of torque</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    My god that was a retarded statement.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->it was a joke ha ha. joke-a statement made in jest.

    that doesnt make it retarded. dont just say it was retarded. say WHY it was. <!-- Signature -->
     
  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from shypo</i>
    <b>i am sick and #$%#en tired of people comparing there souped up v8's to a stock inline 4, you people doing this are you freaken stupid or something, everybody bitches about my american badass car can shit on a jap car, get it through your thick heads no one gives a flying #$%# about your badass american car, come on its a v8 vs an inline 4</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->wait and its kool for you idiots to be like i got a turbo inline 4 with nos i bet i can beat you stock 8 in your car that weighs more then mine idiot<!-- Signature -->
     
  8. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from buzzbomber</i>
    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from SeansVette</i>
    <b>Absolutely! Weight is a VERY big factor. Gearing is another factor. Even horse power is a factor. But consider this....

    When using a larger displacement engine the gain in torque and horse power more than makes up for the gain in weight.

    Horse power is actually a factor because horse power helps "carry" the speed, although it's not as big of a factor as torque. And don't forget, having a lot of torque will almost always give you a lot of horse power. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> gotcha. so, if you have lots of torque, horsepower is easy right? but what if you have lots of horsepower? that doesnt necessarily mean lots of torque does it? oh, also, (this is not cynical, just a question), if torque is so important, then why does everyone talk about horsepower? i mean, viper 800TT, Z06 404HP, etc. if you do lots and lots of mods to upgrade your horsepower, will that upgrade your torque, or does that just depend on the modification made?

    sorry to be so inquisitive. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">


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    <b><!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from buzzbomber</i>
    <b>thats right. thats why i drag race in my semi truck. lots of torque</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    My god that was a retarded statement.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->it was a joke ha ha. joke-a statement made in jest.

    that doesnt make it retarded. dont just say it was retarded. say WHY it was. </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    "so, if you have lots of torque, horsepower is easy right?"
    Well, in a way yes. Horse power literally comes from torque and RPMs. If you have a lot of torque, you don't need very many RPMs to make horse power. Most non-diesel engines rev high enough that if you have say, 350 lbs of torque, the horse power will also be in the 300+ plus range. Now if you have a lot of torque AND it's at high RPM, then you have a shxtload of horse power.

    "if torque is so important, then why does everyone talk about horsepower?"
    Very good question. There's a saying, "horse power sells cars, but torque wins races" It stands to be true. Every car commercial advertises horse power with little or no mention of torque. For Honda, that's understandable. But take the 01 Ford Lighting. Everyone marvels that you have 380 horse power from a bone stock pick up truck. I'm more amazed that it also have 450lbs of torque! Why is that torque so impressive? Because it can move a 4800 lbs truck 1/4 mile in about 13.8 seconds.

    "if you do lots and lots of mods to upgrade your horsepower, will that upgrade your torque, or does that just depend on the modification made?"
    It does depend on the modification. Keep in mind that to raise horse power, you have to either increase torque, or increase where peak torque ends up on the RPM band. It is possible to increase horse power while decreasing low end torque. <!-- Signature -->
     
  9. Gearing is definately a way to increase acceleration, sacrificing just a bit of top speed. To 99% of drivers, it's well worth it. You also sacrifice some gas mileage.

    By the way, most common (engine) modifications increase horse power by increasing torque. That helps with both acceleration and top speed. <!-- Signature -->
     
  10. yeah thank you guys very much. gas really isnt important, because i get around 26 mpg already, so thats decent. and top speed isnt important either. so i shall change the gearing...only...how do you do that?<!-- Signature -->
     
  11. Somebody else on the board could probably tell you how better than I can. My advise is this. With that type of modification if you have to ask how, have somebody else do it.
    Also, find out what size is best for your car. I find the best resources of information are forums specifically made for your car. I go to c5forum.com, and corvetteforum.com. <!-- Signature -->
     
  12. yeah i know of one, but there are too many fast and furious freaks there. i think ill head over to the technical section of sc.net. thanks a lot <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"><!-- Signature -->
     
  13. Well, lets start with fuel consumption? Honda got better than "stangs" .. Not mention about the exhaust levels.. Heard that the americans have some problems with that...

    What car is safer? Honda there to...

    And you can really compare a Muscle car with a Economic car... duh..

    Any way, turboŽs, supercharged cars, i think thats cheating... more proffesinal and challengine to build without it.

    Anywat do you anyone think it possible to put a Honda NSX engine in a Honda Civic Sedan "89?

    //Ashrak
     
  14. A v4 sounds like something an American manufacturer would come up with because it would achieve nothing but inefficiency and unreliability.....very fitting huh? Well before you speak think about what you're talking about...these american car makers are coming up with JDM looking accesories as well as euro looks? the import scene is becoming larger and for some reason ford and gm think they can just come along and make their stupid-ass cars look cool to you big block lovers. well recently i saw something about a Pontiac Vibe GTR....GTR? yea the same thing as the skyline in japan...if you dont know what that is then dont even open your mouth about how horrible japanese cars are, because they arent. also...this engine achieves well over 100hp/liter...no other American company can build an engine that efficiently.
    v4.....hahahaha how stupid could you be?<!-- Signature -->
     
  15. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from accordtypeS?</i>
    <b>A v4 sounds like something an American manufacturer would come up with because it would achieve nothing but inefficiency and unreliability.....very fitting huh? Well before you speak think about what you're talking about...these american car makers are coming up with JDM looking accesories as well as euro looks? the import scene is becoming larger and for some reason ford and gm think they can just come along and make their stupid-ass cars look cool to you big block lovers. well recently i saw something about a Pontiac Vibe GTR....GTR? yea the same thing as the skyline in japan...if you dont know what that is then dont even open your mouth about how horrible japanese cars are, because they arent. also...this engine achieves well over 100hp/liter...no other American company can build an engine that efficiently.
    v4.....hahahaha how stupid could you be?</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Just more lip service from another Sushi Burner who makes geralizations with no facts to back it up, and says nothing technical at all.


    Last weekend I went on a 49 Corvette, 4 hour cruz. There was a C4 Corvette with us that had 126,000 miles, and it had no rebuilds or work done on it besides standard maintenence and a few engine mods.

    Let me expain a couple things about "horse power per liter."

    Fact: Horse power per liter does NOTHING for performance

    Fact: It's much easier to get horse power per liter from a smaller engine, because it's easier to rev the RPMs into a higher range. Take the Honda S2000. It makes 240 horse power at 8300 RPM. Wow! 120 horse power per liter! Oh by the way, when any car is at 8300 RPM it's making about 37% less torque than horse power. Peak torque on the S2000 is a very sad 153 lbs at 7500 RPM. The Cadilac Cien concept gets 100 horse power per liter, AND it has 450 lbs of torque.

    Fact: If you really think Nissan invented the term "GTR" you're as stupid as you sound. Was Mitsubishi copying the Ford Mustang GT when they made the 3000 GT?

    You can cry and moan all you want about horse power per liter, gas mileage, or anything else for that matter. It won't change the fact that American cars blow the doors off of Japanese cars. Name one stock Japanese car that can beat a 2002 Corvette Z06 for $50,000.

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  16. Show me how 100 HP/L says anything about efficiency, as a matter of fact just about every 100 HP/L N/A car i have ever seen gets terrible gas milage.<!-- Signature -->
     
  17. I appreciate any guy who puts time into his car and takes care of it. But I will say it get s very F***ing annoying when you have a 95 Riced up FORD Escort pull up to you and wanna race! He can't even kkep up! The only ricers worth having are RX-7's, Supras, and 300ZX TT, so this car could be nice if done right! I HATE MUSTANGS HOWEVER!!!

    I own a 1987 Pontiac Formula!
     
  18. LORD!! How many time does the guy have to say it?! He wasn't being serious! He was just trying to tick some people off!<!-- Signature -->
     
  19. argh you amateurs...fukk honda's and fukk fords...

    -.-

    rx7 all the way [;
     
  20. All i have to say is go to HELL!!! I respect american cars but what you said just pissed me off!!! So go fukk yourself and please don't write Honduuuh again!!!! ITS HONDA!!!!
     
  21. What about the j-spec Civic Type-R?
     
  22. How about the Skyline GTR, can easily keep up with and beat a Z06, yet costs the equivalent of $45,000 in Japan.
     
  23. yet an rx7 can beat a skyline and is only 33000 brand new
     
  24. I think you overestimate the RX-7, the Skyline has consistently achieved better lap times, and responds a little better to tuning.

    I bet you'd say an RX-7 is better than an NSX too huh? Well, guess what? the NSX is far better on the track.
     
  25. "yet an rx7 can beat a skyline and is only 33000 brand new "

    -Do you just copy and paste your replies from the other forum. I dare you to make a reply that does not contain the alphanumeric phrase 'rx7'.

    "I think you overestimate the RX-7, the Skyline has consistently achieved better lap times, and responds a little better to tuning.

    I bet you'd say an RX-7 is better than an NSX too huh? Well, guess what? the NSX is far better on the track. "

    -Exactly. I knew right from the subject that I would find you hear battling against stupidity. And yet, the battle is difficult to win.
     

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