Re: HP limit for WRC?

Discussion in '2001 Citroën Xsara T4 WRC' started by Fast Man, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. #26 Mishima, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Speedfreak</i>
    <b>Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak Version
    You mean this car
    tech Specs
    Curb Weight: 1764 lbs
    Layout: Mid-Engine/AWD
    Transmission: 6-Speed Sequential
    Type: Twin-Turbo V6
    Displacement: 1998 cc
    Horsepower: 985 bhp @ 8100 rpm
    Length 5050 mm / 198.8 in
    Width 1900 mm / 74.8 in
    Height 1510 mm / 59.4 in
    Valvetrain DOHC 3 Valves / Cyl
    Tires 285/680-17 - 285/680-17
    Bhp / Liter 492.99 bhp
    Transmission Sequential 6 Speed

    The Monster Machine is what this moster is often refered as. The Suzuki Escudo Pikes Peak Version started running in the annual Pikes Peak Hill Climb in Colorado in 1997. It won for two years straight, and was driven by a Japanese madman. Powered by (count 'em) two turbocharged V6's, one in the front and one in the middle, this monster machine was the fastest competitor in its time. To keep it on the ground, a giant sized spoiler was mounted on the back, along with side front skirts to keep the nose down. With a top speed of well over 200, this was the meanest, most non street legal Suzuki ever created, besides the Cultus. But it's retired now, sadly. At least Suzuki has the chance to take it out on the track every now and then...

    This is one of my favorite cars. I never knew it existed until Gran Turismo 2. I looked it up for real, and I know this think would some just about anything. Vetts, lambo's, vipers, saleen, cr-5's, and so on. Just smack some slicks on there and letter rip![email protected][email protected]$Escudo%20Pikes%20Peak.html </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    This car can fly in GT3. It is just..insane on straight roads or rally races.<!-- Signature -->
  2. FIA introduced an HP limit after the end of the Group B championship in 1986. In case you were wondering, the Group B championship palyed host to some of the most famous rally cars od all time, like the original Audi Quattro and the Peugeot 205 T16. But the ultimate Group B car, and, of course, the one that ended it all was the Lancia Delta S4. This car was tweaked to the limit, and, for the first time ever (and since, I believe) Lancia found a way to shoehorn a Turbo- AND supercharger into the car. At low revs, the supercharger provided the car with ample boost and once the RPMs swept past something like 4500, the Turbo took over. The end result was a 600+ HP engine and gobs of torque. Of course, this car was ultimately impossible to drive, even for Lancia's star driver, Henri Toivonen. On one of the twistier stages in the Tour de Corse rally in 1986, he crashed off of a cliff and ended up in a scorching mass of metal, rubber and oil. He nor his co-driver survived.
    Perhaps the most ironoc thin today is the fact that today's cars are faster, due to better AWD setups and more torque. But, with all the technology that goes into racing harnesses and seats today, the cars are umpteen more times easier to dive. So, in the end, the limitations were introduced more for safety than to even out the playing field.
  3. 300 hp is the official limit
    do you remember the scandal with Toyota in 1999 ?
    They used a wider turbo intake to get more power , it was so evident that the cheat was discovered.
    but there are no control of the engine power , so don't be astonished if one day we know that the power is much higher as the manufacturers say.
  4. Actually Toyota were using an illegal water cooling system that was hidden in the turbo. And it wasn't in '99 (that was Toyota's last year in the WRC, with the Corolla).

    BTW, I was reading through the FIA's tech and rally specs (which can be found on their website). Now, I admit I didn't bother reading them to in depth, but I couldn't find a single rule anywhere which specifically mention HP limits.

    However, every part of the cars (especially the engines) are very strictly regulated. WRC cars may well be running in excess of 300 HP but, as far as I can tell, that in and of itself isn't illegal under the rules. But given the strict technological/parts limitations, they can only go so high. <IMG SRC="">
  5. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from MR2Supra</i>
    <b>What about the Suzuki Escudo???? 900 somthing horsepower????</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    The escudo is not a WRC.

    It has been only developed to compete at Pikes Peak , there are no limits at all for the category in which the Escudo competes.
  6. In the game mabye but i've seen it on Pikes Peak before and it was only going about 120, mabye the cliffs and dropoffs had something to do with that.

    Pikes Peak is the suicidal race of america
  7. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from 2002wrx</i>
    posted by speedfreak:

    "Bhp / Liter 492.99 bhp"

    whoooaaaaa hold it right there. . . your telling me that each of those V-6 engines in the escudo is only one litre?!?! bull. . . i dont think that is correct. . . there is no possible way that is correct. . . </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    It's a 2.5L , the hp/L ratio is closer to 394 , if you take the unverified figures from GT2.<!-- Signature -->
  8. No there is no HP limit in WRC... some were right in that the displacement and turbo size are resticted. 2000cc and a 34mm turbo, but the HP is not limited.
  9. suzuki have quite a reputation for making really powerful, high performance engines.
  10. you are correct
    most cars in the WRC run about 350hp
  11. How much HP would the 2 liter engines develop runing 2Bar turbos like they do without the restrictor? I think about 400hp <A BORDER="0" HREF=""><IMG BORDER="0" SRC=""></A>

    WRC restrictions regarding the cars' power are the turbo's compressor wheel housing diameter, the 2 liter displacement and the intake 34mm restrictor, there's actually no HP limit.
  12. If it has two V6's would that be a V12? Plus it has a displacementof 2500cc and to have two V6's, they would have to be small V6's
  13. yeah, the WRC regulations sat that there must be a 34mm restrictor cap on the turbo to limit the air that id drawn into the engine..its either 34mm or 43mm
  14. Yeah, but most cars make more like 350bhp, desspite, the restrictors. I'd say that with out a restrictor, the 2.0L 4-bangers would be making about 450 bhp. And how could that Suzuki have two midmounted V-6s, that seems hard to fit and hard to believe. Anyway, I'm not familiar with the Pikes Peak Unlimited regs, but I don't think it is really unlimited. If you can have two V-6s, why does the Saab (second place on 3 tires) have only a four. esides, the Saab is only 2.3 liters.
  15. I'd say Nascar is the Most Suicidal Race of America. Have you seen the pile ups on those programs which show motorsport accidents... (drifting off topic I know, but here is something that isn't:

    They should be allowed to use V or even flat 6 engines in the WRC. That'd be better. WRC is too much like F1. Motorsport before I was born used to be all about getting the best car you could and filling it with all the latest technology. Now it's all about extracting the most from the most engine that the rules will allow, and plugging a computer into the right hole. Boo.)

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