Re: only Americans like American cars!

Discussion in '2001 Honda Integra Type R' started by SeansVette, Aug 9, 2002.

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    true...you pretty much summed it up...fords suck but the only props i give to fords is the cobra r, gt40, and shelby's<!-- Signature -->
     
  2. What??? You didn't save anybody's ass, America's hesitance to join in and wait until everybody's resources were exhausted resulted in many global deaths that could have been avoided, then America has the nerve to jump in at the last minute and say "yeah we're the best army in the world...we're heros you owe us"?? Talk about Arrogant, and the US spends money on other countries to do stuff like promote Dictators so that America can benefit from sweat shops, and other countries remaining underdeveloped. Who has the US helped other than themselves, I mean hell, the US is attempting to force Canada into selling their drinking water to them!! do you know what would happen?? wealthy countries would be supplied, poor ones wouldn't, and due to the NAFTA agreement (to which the US has gone against the rules, and they can because the US pretty much controls the WTO) in the future Canadians would have to buy their own damn water for the same price, otherwise it might look like "unfair compensation" (dammit, can't remember the word right now).

    The US did nothing more than wait until the last minute then jump in when everybody else was weakened and "save the day"

    And people were rally racing long before Americans were "hot-rodding".

    And the vast majority of the world shares the same opinion of America because it's a nation full of self serving, exploitationist, @$$#OLES!

    I'd beg to differ, as many places other than America produce cars for $22,00 (USD equiv.) that actually last for 10 years and longer with minimal maintenance, not to mention a far better car (what stock Corvette does the 0-60 in less than 4.5 sec.?) And despite the Skidpad rating, the Z06 still can't handle quite as well as some cheaper cars, racing suspension that sticks like glue huh? man u really are delusional.Yes, let's send a car out to a company that takes 1/10th of the cars they receive from clients and salvages them for parts, really sounds like it's worth the 160g's, not to mention when you get it it's useful for annhilating just about anything on the track, but try to go around a track without spinning out at least once?? rrriiiiiggggghhhhhttttttt.

    P.S. I apologize if I've offended anyone other than SeansVette, I really personally don't have any problems with the US, but Arrogant SOB's like this guy just really piss me off, learn a little about the world @$$#OLE!
     
  3. What??? You didn't save anybody's ass, America's hesitance to join in and wait until everybody's resources were exhausted resulted in many global deaths that could have been avoided, then America has the nerve to jump in at the last minute and say "yeah we're the best army in the world...we're heros you owe us"?? Talk about Arrogant, and the US spends money on other countries to do stuff like promote Dictators so that America can benefit from sweat shops, and other countries remaining underdeveloped. Who has the US helped other than themselves, I mean hell, the US is attempting to force Canada into selling their drinking water to them!! do you know what would happen?? wealthy countries would be supplied, poor ones wouldn't, and due to the NAFTA agreement (to which the US has gone against the rules, and they can because the US pretty much controls the WTO) in the future Canadians would have to buy their own damn water for the same price, otherwise it might look like "unfair subsidies" like America claimed when the cdn gov't paid the stumpage fees to the Logging companies, it's not subsidizing, not everyone runs their economy the same way.

    The US did nothing more than wait until the last minute then jump in when everybody else was weakened and "save the day"

    And people were rally racing long before Americans were "hot-rodding", but so what, big F@CKING deal, nobody really cares.

    And the vast majority of the world shares the same opinion of America because it's a nation full of self serving, exploitationist, @$$#OLES!

    I'd beg to differ, as many places other than America produce cars for $22,00 (USD equiv.) that actually last for 10 years and longer with minimal maintenance, not to mention a far better car (what stock Corvette does the 0-60 in less than 4.5 sec.?) And despite the Skidpad rating, the Z06 still can't handle quite as well as some cheaper cars, racing suspension that sticks like glue huh? man u really are delusional.Yes, let's send a car out to a company that takes 1/10th of the cars they receive from clients and salvages them for parts, really sounds like it's worth the 160g's, sounds more like russian roulette to me i.e. pay $160,000 to get a pretty good car in return but there's the possibility that you might not even get your car back, do you know how many lawsuits are against that Hennessey guy for "missing" Vipers? Not to mention when you get it it's useful for annhilating just about anything on the track, but try to go around a track without spinning out at least once?? rrriiiiiggggghhhhhttttttt.

    P.S. I apologize if I've offended anyone other than SeansVette, I really personally don't have any problems with the US, but Arrogant SOB's like this guy just really piss me off, learn a little about the world @$$#OLE!
     
  4. Don't mind Sean, he like too many other American's have never had the opportunity to look at the U.S. through foreign eyes. Not all of us are like that. The U.S. for the most part as I see it is greedy and self serving. Look at the majority of individuals in this country. They wouldn't lift a finger to help you. Look at the rampant litigation. Something for nothing...it's the American way.


    As for this....
    "That wasn't my point - I totally agree that Winning would have been a difficult if not impossible task without Americas help. The point was that some people were saying that America won the war. About the bombs - If you start a war then tuff shit for the consequences. The only people to blame for that were the Japenese government for bombing perl harbour"

    The only reason I agree with the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (non military targets) is it ended the war on the Pacific front, saving millions of lives. The argument that Japan attacked us when we were at peace is the biggest line of BS the US government ever fed it's people. We had been sinking their shipping for almost a year prior to the attack. We had been sinking their 5-man submarines every time we ran across each other. The U.S. government KNEW it was coming. They claimed suprise to bolster the U.S. pro-war movement and mobilize the American people. Most Americans still feign to believe Pearl Harbor WAS a military target...not civilian....
     
  5. This was post by seansvette:

    Name one 2 liter 4 cylinder engine that can get the same horse power and torque as a 5 liter without forced air induction. Go ahead. Name one. You can't can you? Oooohh damn you feel stupid now.

    How about Honda S2000 vs. 1989 Mustang 5.0??or any old shitty pontiac trans am?? it wipes its ass with those shits anytime in every aspect. With a lot less torque... torque is for lazzy people or for old people... I defenetly prefer RPM's... F1 cas are only 3.0L they dont need more liters, everything depends on the head of the engine man... having 50hp per liter like the dodge viper is a very big waste of material (metal or what ever tha #$%# that engine is made of...i am not sure if it is even made of aluminum...)

    And hey, it would be a shame if a normally aspirated 2 liter would beat a 5L normally aspirated wouldn't it??

    Now tell me what would happen if americans would build a 2.0L engine?? HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! What would happen if honda would build a 5.0L?? HAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!

    OOOOOOOHH DAMN YOU FEEL STUPID NOW.

    Why dont you americans lower the liters and get the hp a lot up?? CAN YOU???? The best american car which I like very much is the corvette Z06, even thogh it is a pushrod (OHV) it has very high output and lots of torque... or try getting that to at least 90hp per liter, and get them to be raliable..... I think these persons are just jealous about all these great cars, they are just another category, they always say "I eat any honda with my corvette or camaro" They compare those cars to their convenience, how about Ferraris?? OK the F50 is a 4.7L, still smaller than 5.0. You have compared a 5.0 against a 2.0 right, 3 Liters larger, all right how about The McLaren F1 (6.0L) Only 1 liter larger than your shitty 5.0... since you compared a 5.0 vs a 2.0 why not compare a 5.0 vs a 6.0 huh????that's more reasonable right?? 1 liter diference, not 3, both normally aspirated. your V8 power is not for racing cars, it is for heavy suburbans, excursions, pick up trucks, Vans, ETC. Look for a site of that type of cars please man...
     
  6. The US speds money on other countries because they want to, Seansvette, and something you should always know, even if you give a chewing gum to someone, NEVER EXPECT PEOPLE TO SAY THANKS TO YOU, just do it because you want to, if you dont want to, dont.. And he is not insulting the president or the army or civilians, he was "insulting" Your car brands they really need to improve... By the way it was also England, France, Canada, the soviet Union the ones who hepled Holland. did you go to elementary school?????
     
  7. And also, if this car would be 5.0L it would have 550hp... only... haha

    and with the hp per liter of the S2000, A 5.0L would deliver 625hp on your wheels (REAR WHEELS OFCOURSE...HEHE)

    Your 5.0L cars give out about 250hp...

    HA HA HAAAAAAAAA!!!
     
  8. 1980's Honda engine used on McLaren's 1.4 liters 1600hp!!! Naturally aspirated and far far far more power than your pathetic 5.0 so what if it is not a 4 cylinder, I met you halfway, and it has the same number of cylinder's as some of your 5.0's yet it's way smaller and much better.
     
  9. Also what about the S2000 engine? 2 liter 4cyl. gets considerably more power than all post 1976, and pre-1999 production Mustang 5.0's, including some that weren't na, that's pretty sad on Ford's behalf if you ask me.
     
  10. how about a 2003 S2000 vs a 2003 cobra? why are you comparing an old car to a new one? and hate to break it to you but a TA would romp all over an S2000 how do i know this you ask? Because i have destoryed at least 3 different S2000 when i had my TA. Moving along with your stoopidity HP/L means nothing check my quote before you reply with your stoopidness thank you! next! As for honda making a v8 they tried for the new nsx and you know what? It was so ineffiecent that they would not use it. Thats right honda made an engine that got shitty gas mileage. So that pretty much tells you what would happen if they made a 5.0 it would get less mpg then our 5.7's which are getting better MPG then your NSX's. As for your comparison of a 5.0 liter to a 6.0 liter first who makes that engine if you dont mind me asking? cuz i know who does im wondering if you do. Reasons to not compare these to cars
    1. im still trying to figure out why your comparing everything to an 89 mustang
    2. look at the extreme weight difference
    3. look at the extreme price difference (also note that the s2000 cost more then the mustang as well)
    4. i think your stoopid for comparing a 2.0 liter to a 5.0 liter anyway im just here to correct stoopid statements like (or any old shitty pontiac trans am?? it wipes its ass with those shits anytime in every aspect.) which is wrong

    now what i want to know is why can't honda make an engie with just a decent amount of torque? wtf is up with that i mean every other car company has seem to be able to but honda.
     
  11. again, that was in response to this quote by Seansvette he's the one that brought up the 2.0/5.0 comparison.

    Quote:

    Name one 2 liter 4 cylinder engine that can get the same horse power and torque as a 5 liter without forced air induction. Go ahead. Name one. You can't can you? Oooohh damn you feel stupid now


    LOL TA's are far too overrated, and I've seen S2000's dominate TA's, so what's your point. You still don't seem to understand my point, sure hp/l doesn't make much of a difference when it comes to performance, but if you think about it you're getting more performance for your displacement when you have high hp/liter, it's an issue of just a better designed engine. Also Hp/L does make a difference, just look at the Civic Type-R with 100hp/L from it's 2.0 it has more power than the Focus SVT with it's 85hp/L from it's 2.0, now correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that indicat that the fact that the Civic Type-R has more hp/L is the very thing which makes it faster than the Focus, try and tell me that in this case hp/L doesn't matter?

    Aside from their formula 1 engines (which by the way have been very successful) Honda has never considered designing a V8 that I know of, and I think you're FOS.

    Comparing to 1976(or whatever year it was)-1999 Mustangs was just to show how many 5.0 V8 mustang engines have less power than just one example of a 2.0 4 cylinder.

    And Honda could make an engine with more than decent Torque, however in case you haven't noticed they design their cars to drive more like F1 cars, than Drag cars, since they'll accelerate just as fast as cars with more torque when someone who actually knows how to drive is behind the wheel I see no reason to complain. I'd actually be disappointed if they ever made a car that had a high amount of torque, there would be no reason to redline it which is part of what makes Honda's so much fun (since they can actually take constant redlining there's no reason not to), and it wouldn't take as much skill to drive them fast, kinda defeats the purpose of driving if you ask me.

    It's so funny the way so many people seem to underestimate cars like the S2000 so much, then you see the results of a race and people claim it's the driver, or that the results are biased....lol.
     
  12. Maybe on a road course but that is the only place you will ever see an s2000 dominate a TA my point was he said that a s2000 will beat a ta at every thing and it wont it wont out excellorate a ta it wont beat it in a straight line either and before you say anything about that im just stating the facts! you make a good point with the HP/L and im not gonna argue with you over that as for the NSX v8 do a little research before you call me full of shit my friend (im currently looking for a link to that article and i will provide you with it once i get it) As for excelorating as fast as cars with alot of torque what are you talking about? I can smoke any honda off the line in my eclipse and that has nowhere near the torque that my TA had and hondas couldnt even touch me in that. they do not excellorate fast they have high top end though. As for underestimating cars with the s2000 i just think its that they are overprice and overrated not underestimated i like the car dont get me wrong but for the money why not get something else
    l8r

     
  13. Hey FENIX, It wasn't me the one who compared 2.0 vs 5.0, it was SEANSVETTE as I remember.... why tha ffuuck dont you read all the stats and then complain...

    admit it, hondas are great
     
  14. hey ass speaking of reading before complaining never once did i say in that post that hondas suck so maybe you better read before you say shit and way to back yourself up you know i was rite so get the hell over yourself
    AMF
     
  15. "and with the hp per liter of the S2000, A 5.0L would deliver 625hp on your wheels (REAR WHEELS OFCOURSE...HEHE)

    Your 5.0L cars give out about 250hp...

    HA HA HAAAAAAAAA!!! "

    -Of course you are right. High revving NASCAR engines rev up to about 9000 rpm and so deliver alot of horsepower. However, the force of the engine rotating is multiplied by the engines mass. In order for a large displacment engine to rev that high requires lots of modification and strengthening. As you might have guessed NASCAR engines are for racing and not necessarily practical for the street (and expensive too.) The reason all of the higher displacemnet cars that you seem to dislike so much are 'shit' (meaning lower efficiency in hp/l) is because they don't rev high. If you destroked an 8 litre viper engine, you could in fact gain a higher hp/l ratio. The only problem is that you lose torque and your power is pushed up to the higher rps, putting more strain on the engine. Many muscle cars in fact ran destroked engines that were good for running top end but not so good for drag racing unless launchedat a high rpm. WHile I do not work at Dodge (meaning the following is conjecture so bare with me) I am assuming that the viper is primarily for drag racing. While obviously it will hold its own on the track and it has superb handling, its element is straight line speed. For this torque is very crucial, as is a flat power curve. NA engines best display this by sacrificing high end power and hp/l efficiency in order to distribute power and torque throughout the RPMs. This is also less straing on the engine because it is not forced to rev as high to produce power. It also doesn't hurt that 500 ci gives alot of room if you want to get some serious power out of the engine. If you look at the 427 LS1/Ls6 used in the C5-R you will notice that it tends to have a larger bore and a shorter stroke than other 427 'street' Ls1/Ls6s. This is because on track it has more freedom to run towards top end and so the power is welocome at te top. For the street vetts, it uses the added torque to achieve better acceleration, and to overcome the added weight it has over a C5-R.
     
  16. domestics rule ass, they even make better 4cyl than japan
    japan: supposedly bad ass honda 4cyl=200hp
    most powerful v-8(production) nissan=290hp

    America: most powerful factory chevy ecotec 4cyl=262hp
    most powerful V-8(production) chevy 5.7=405

    im sure u import lovers will correct me on my japanese stats, but the fact remains, domestic companies are more well rounded






    i hate imports
    in my garage: 1969 oldsmobile cutlass 350, thats almost 3 times the displacement of your 'banger sweetie
     
  17. Yes but the germans have smaller v8's that have more HP then the american ones
     
  18. uhhhhhh.,.. no. they don't at all. dude a Z06 makes 405hp, the most horsepower from a natually aspirated german V8 is like 345hp(same as stock corvette) soo... no. the ones that do are supercharged, if u supercharged a zo6 it would make upwards of 600 hp.
     
  19. OK, I was with you until you bashed Canada. Yes that guy from holland is an asshole that shouldn't have access to a computer, and f1 rules you started to say you don't care and then start adding fuel to the fire, maybe you should go to another board too.
    Listen up Mr. USA, I admire your patriotism, but what happened in Japan was the result of the embaressment America felt from getting pummelled at pearl harbor. I agree, they had to do something, but killing so many civillians was no better than what hitler did to the jews. It was a cowardly act, bombing cities, but I guess america needed to flex its muscles and show the world who was boss.
    Yes our military sucks, so what? When was the last time someone threatened Canada? The only threat we ever get is when america pisses someone off. Remember, Canada was in ww2 long before usa showed up, Thanks for cleaning up what we left for you guys. Please don't let your arrogant pride cloud your arguement, you were making so much sense, but now you seem to be as opinionated as the jerk from holland.
    Now your probably going to fire off an angry response against canada for what ive written, and i sincerely hope no one answers you, I know I won't, because I've said my piece and I want get back to talking about cars here, just get over it, the war ended nearly 60 years ago.

    My apologies to the rest of you for straying off topic.
     
  20. you know whats funny though in all those big movies about how america played such a big part and did this and that there are alwasys so many complains and things pointed out witch are wrong.

    only saying this cos after seeing about 5 pages talking about crap with about 2% refered to cars. jeez man some 1 says the word aemerica in a sentance and every single american person on the forum starts waving the american flag and going beserc with rage. I think people need to calm down a bit and stop refering to topics on who built the most production cars whos teh largest richest country. were not debating witch country is better and why "rice" sucks or big block sucks arnt we just here to talk about cars, voice our opinions and gather new information that we never new before. I must say its amazing how many anti american people there are on this forum. I must say sometimes i think that american people act more like an arogant clan than a country BUUUT thats just my opinion it most certainly isnt right even i know that but i feel that it is in certain instances. and you know im probably going to get flamed for this people saying "oh shut up u £$&*$ im gona kick your ass saying were arogant and anything bad yada yada yada" its just childish how old are you people im sure most of you are over 15?(i gues its the teenage hormones going out of controll that send you off screaming at each other) :\

    And(yes another and :p) its not like Im from holland or the UK or japan asia i was born in Jamaica and live in england ther are no jamaican car companys so im not saying "MY company and country is better than yours" im just saying "wtf?! why are you lot over reacting and acting like babies for soooooo many pages" If some one stupid says "american cars are crap and so are americans ignore it and let it fall to the botomless pit witch is the second page of the forum.

    (sry for errors and sentance structure im tired its 3:48(and if it seems a bit whatever and bad then sry again prob cos its late)also i dont think I have read the latest page sry guys and gals if ther are any gals too tired :\)

    No real point flaming me after this cos *shrug* duno if il check back in this thread again.

    p.s NO im not a rasta and im not a "gangsta" or "thug" or whatever the hell you want to call black people in all these racist terms. (am I the only black guy that speaks english?)
     
  21. your a #$%#ing redneck it was canadians that saved holland u dumb asshole
     
  22. good answer...

    and a short PS.: Why are all you americans talking like it was you on the front lines during the war? Do we really have a bunch of 80 and 90 year old veterans here?
     
  23. One of the most powerfull 2.0 engines is the Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII engine. 305 bhp and it beat every non tuned car Made in USA!
     
  24. Well, SeansVette, I'm from Holland too and I'd like to ask you something. Why did the USA elect Bush? He's a war-minded idiot. Clinton was a good president, but Bush. Further, Holland is getting more connected with the rest of Europe. I see that Bush will tear down your economy with his I-want-to-do-what-daddy-couldn't-warfare. And a big part of Holland was saved by Canadians, not by Americans.
    Back to cars. Americans only look in a straight line. No Corvette could ever beat a Porsche 911 GT3, a Ferrari 360 Modena or a BMW M3 CSL, which (except for the Ferrari) are just as expensive as a vette Z06 in Holland. So, what's your point?
     
  25. Spyker C8, Donkervoort D8 210? Ever thought of those?
     

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