Re: SS Camaro Vs. Trans Am Ram Air Vs. SVT Cobra

Discussion in '2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra' started by Lee Iacocca, Aug 9, 2002.

  1. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from sparetire</i>
    <b>Just to say it one more time...the f bods will be back! They are being redesighned because they did not sell. They will come back, and I see no reason why they will not be better in every way from their predecesors, they can take all they had learned from the last gen and fine tune. The LS-1 remains a kick a** powerplant. I think Ford is catching up, and Chevy remains awesome in this area. In few years, we might be seeing real competition between factory stock cars here. Thats a happy thought.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->Another car that should be released soon is the new dodge charger<IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif"> I know everyone has different opinions, but I can't stand it, how could anyone call an f-body "ugly"? <!-- Signature -->
     
  2. you know what else is funny chevy has to have a bigger motor to get the same power that ford does out of a smaller motor and plus the
    LS-1 isn't even a true dual exhaust thats really totally sad....so once again ford wins....and if mustangs suck that bad then why are they some much more popular than camaros and trans ams...think about it and just wait till 04' when those cobra R's come out they're gonna blow the z06 and any camaro or corvette or trans am out of the water just like the 00' cobra r did

    peace
     
  3. the day ford brings back the 351 ill be a happy campery, they have the styling down, they look great, as far as being better than camaros and t/a, all 3 look amazing have alot of potentiol for some street legal performance. spent right with minimal funds they could beat a viper, ferrarri, porsche for the money any day, i think the common enemy 30 years ago was camaro vs Mustang, today its mustang/camaro VS honda S2000, toyota supra, and especially those grocery geting civics that need more NOS than gas to even keep up with a mustang or camaro, all those flaming 4 bangin fruits havent learned thier lesson yet. I wish there was an SVT cobra with 5k of mods atleast in the film the fast and the furious. anyway i think we have to realize the trend the camaro and mustang have taken over the years, without ford and chevrolet competing to make these cars better and better they wouldnt be as good as they are, one would not be nearly as much without the other one. I love both and will own both, eventually.

    from experience 2 people at my school claim they had the fastest cars, one had a factory 01 cobra and this other guy had a"Vtech" civic with all these rediculouse mods huge ass spoiler, ground effects rims and NOS and still lost to the cobra by 2 full carlengths. i dont know what mods he had but claimed he beat a 02 vette, was the vette racing i dunno. you might be able to get alot of hp out of the microscopic engines but they always have and always will have poo for torque, absolute crap for torque, put 4 people ina civic it aint goin no where, but 4 people ina cam or stang, barely notice it, i dont know about anyone else but i like cruising with friends
     
  4. personally i love the f body camaros, the ss's are sweet as hell. unfortunalty i have driven ford all my life and has never let me down. i think that the companys made mistakes with both cars. the 02 ss camaro is a sweet ass ride, but it lacks an independant rear suspension. on the mustang side, whats up with the 4.6? at least give me a dohc 5.4, com on ford guys, but anyways, its been a good fight by both companies.....winner goes to ford i would say by the dying off of the fbody. and one more thing, whats up with people saying "ohhhh, the mustang is quick, but it wont beat a zo6" last time i checked fellas, those cars are not even in the same class. start comparing them when the cobra turns into a roadster. thanks
     
  5. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from CHECKERS3333</i>
    <b>put a supercharger into a 5.7 liter ss camaro or ws6 trans am and what do you get??? 400+ H.P.
    trust me, if a t-a or a camaro cost that much ($37,000 for the new cobra according to motor trend) it would out perform mustang up and down the straights all day long... TRUST ME!!!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    Ford has always been cheaper than chevy yet you still get that power I wouldnt worry about the price and with a supercharge or with out you could still get 390 out of a 289 the supecharge is just an easier why of doing it because if they bored the 289 it wouldnt be a 289 anymore so fords just makin it simple with the supercharger
     
  6. but a supercharger on a Camaro or F bird and it will smoke this thing
    take the super charger of this and the camaro will smoke it even tho it has less Hp cause the Camaro ways less this #$%#in thing is a WHALE<!-- Signature -->
     
  7. #32 Heyman, Aug 9, 2002
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    <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from CHECKERS3333</i>
    <b>ok... where is this "mustang boss" that everyone is talking about??? supercars just gave ghost specs on that. who reading this has seen one??? and by that i mean on the road. yea ok a 10 liter engine im sure that will be REEEEEEEAL cost efficient, not to mention street legal. and to be a supercar you must be able to ride on the street in it. oh and by the way if those numbers were accurate, why arent they at the top of the fastest 0-60 times??? yea i thought so. give it up mustang, you had your day, now its time for the bigger boys to come out and play like corvette and viper. and another thing, the firebird looks MUCH better then the mustang. and whats with those old school ford headlights??? squares are out man get with the times ford. dont get me wrong though, my second favorite car of all time is the mustang cobra R... next to the viper of course.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    I can't get a direct link due to some weird html or java thing, but go to http://www.svt.ford.com/flash/index.html and then concept lab and then 10.0L Boss. The numbers aren't projected, it was tested by the SVE team and then they let reporters from magazines get times. 1.9 0-60
    5.5 0-100
    10.55 1/4 @ 135
    It wasn't meant ever to be a production car, it was just to see what they could do.
     
  8. camaros, plain and simple, are NOT better looking than mustangs. that point is not up for argument
     
  9. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from ktrain</i>
    <b>camaros, plain and simple, are NOT better looking than mustangs. that point is not up for argument</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Especially those ugly ram air trans ams.
     
  10. EWWWWWW man, thats dirty. Trans AM ugly? Hell no. They are both good looking. Really, you need to stop. The last MT review stated that the 0-60 time for the 01 cobra was the exact same time for the SS. The car civil war is over.. How bout dem civics..
     
  11. Well, I don't know what to think... the only Mustangs I think look good are the early ones (from the '64-1/2 to about '71-ish). I liked the old Shelby Mustangs, those were cool. I have always liked the looks of the Camaro/Firebird a little better. Now both the F-Body and Mustang are just too heavy. Hopefully the F-Bodies return to their roots in the styling department. If this Mustang really does produce 390 hp when it's released, I just might test drive one... but I still wouldn't buy it. <IMG SRC="http://www.supercars.net/servlets/cMsg/html/emoticons/smile.gif">
     
  12. Are you gay?
    WHy do you even compare a 4.6 to a 5.7? Think of the size difference here. What happened when S351's were made? take a chevy 350 and a mustang 351, and what do you know, the ford was a hell of a lot faster. THats what you should compare it to. 5.8 vs 5.7 Ford could easily make cars that would kill gay gms, like the new cobra. but they arent even competing. they already outsell them all, so what do they care.
     
  13. cobra r lost in striaght line specs, but embarrased the z06 on the track..sorry chevy lost..

    Fords 390hp was bumped up from 385hp right before they handed it to motor trend.

    and get this...SVT also says that more power is likely out of the production model, talks about bumping it to 400hp or even the dreaded 400hp+ area, is always on the table...a few changes here and there and the hp is boosted like nothing before, and at no cost to the customer.

    go read that article, motor trend was blown away.

    not as good as they say, are u kidding me.

    this car has 5more hp than the cobra r, but just a little bit more weight, not enough to really make that big of difference, this has more torque than the cobra r, and if it gets the power upgrade, then hell it will be hp levels if not more than the new z06.

    Ford with the new iron block will easily push 500hp, just by changing the psi on the supercharger.

    Put it this way say ford does put 400hp in the car, the cobra r did 4.4 0-60 and beat the z06 around the track, this car has more power, more than likely it will do 4.4secs or less, and with 400hp u never know it just might it 4flat....give it more power and u guys will cry that its spanking vipers.

    and yes the est. price is 32k...or they say if other parts are needed during the final tweaking it will not go for more than 35k.

    u buy ur ss ws6 car for 32k brand new add a 2k supercharger, change some other things on it and u get 400hp...so now ur just up with the cobra in hp, but u forgot that other things were not made for that power so the performance will still not be up to par with the mustang, and also mustangs have always been better handling cars on the track than the ss ws-6 cars.

    and if ss/ws6 cars do come out, what makes u think that ford will not just put a 5.4l engine and match u or bump this cars psi from 8 to 10 change the ecu and someother things and run over 410hp...who says they wont do that, then what will u guys do.

    go read that article its just a great article, and makes me just that more proud of being a ford fan.<!-- Signature -->
     
  14. I think it is silly to think if the Camaro SS and the trans am were going to be produced in 2003 they would be the exact same as the 2002 model year, chevrolet would obviously make the LS6 standard or at the very least an option for SS and WS6 models, not to mention if you put ram air on the LS6 you would have around 425 HP thats with no supercharger, both nice cars and either one of you would drive both if you could have both
     
  15. u believe that...go ahead, but since the ss/ws6 is no more becuz they have fallen to the mustang, u cant talk becuz thier is no 03' model.

    ford finally did it, they lost in the hp division for many years, but thats a small price to pay, a few .2-.4secs here and ther, nothing much, plus they costed less, but mustang had the least of the two fates, chevy got the short end of the stick and was outdone by mustang and therefore it died, fords small price is nothing compared to the big price chevy paid, discontinuation their muscle car...and becuz of the non other ford mustangs.<!-- Signature -->
     
  16. "This serpent also failed to beguile drivers at the track. Ponderously slow and overboosted steering conspires with lazy turn-in to betray the basic stability afforded by the wide stance, Bilstein shocks, Eibach springs, and four slabs of custom-made BFGoodrich g-Force rubber. The Cobra returned the highest lateral acceleration on the skidpad (0.99 g) BUT THE LOWEST LAP TIME(1:38.7 at 92.1 mph vs. the Corvette's 1:36.3 at 95.4 mph and the Viper's 1:34.9 at 96.7 mph). It requires manhandling in turns and simply doesn't feel fluid despite consistently good performance from the brake calipers, which are Brembo in front and stock SVT Cobra with Akebono pads in the rear. Perhaps too many production parts remain from a chassis tracing its lineage to a 1979 Fairmont. "

    Quoth the raven (car and driver comparo of cobra r, zo6 and viper in which the cobra was ranked third and the corvette 1st)
     
  17. I am a huge f body fan always have been and always will be, and as far a i remember this year, 2003, and a four or five year stretch in the eighties have been the only years since the camaro's induction that the mustang has been faster, thats it, argue if you want but it is the truth. Mustang won the sales war, and camaro and firebird are dead (for a while) and now mustange has this car, which is pretty bad ass by the way. I am not going to argue that a modded sscamaro (supercharger or whatever) would beat this car, even though it would, because that would make me sound like one of those japanese car fans that like to post on this site "well if you modded you can have....... well compare it to a moddd......" i hate that.

    Fact is that stock vs stock, as much as i hate to admit it, this is a faster car, in my opinion it doest look to good though. We will see what happens when camaro is re released in 2004 or 2005. Even though the camaro is going to be rereleasedin very limited numbers 50,000 probably, we will see
     
  18. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from KaNe</i>
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    <b>LS1 engines are so tuned down it is not even funny, the LS1 has alot more potential than the 4.6. the 4.6 is a nice engine and all with decent power but its for the modest street racer, the supercharger is a quick fix, its fords choice to have the 4.6 in the same cars class as the camaro which has a 5.7, and it is the same class vehicle, v8/RWD/2-door etc, . . . the only reason mustangs outsell is because there are so many damn v6 models sold to chics who think they are "CUTE" give me a break, </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SO TRUE!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->
    That is true so many damn people buy v6 pieces of shit and I think that a 4.6 is to small I believe ford should use 5.0,5.4, and 5.8 but I still love mustangs (only v8's) and thats just how its gonna be.
     
  19. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from KaNe</i>
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    <b>LS1 engines are so tuned down it is not even funny, the LS1 has alot more potential than the 4.6. the 4.6 is a nice engine and all with decent power but its for the modest street racer, the supercharger is a quick fix, its fords choice to have the 4.6 in the same cars class as the camaro which has a 5.7, and it is the same class vehicle, v8/RWD/2-door etc, . . . the only reason mustangs outsell is because there are so many damn v6 models sold to chics who think they are "CUTE" give me a break, </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SO TRUE!</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    You are so dumb. The camaro has a V6 too. The reason that no one buys the camaro is because it is ugly and needs to be redesigned.
     
  20. #45 atlkid123, Aug 9, 2002
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    <b>you know what else is funny chevy has to have a bigger motor to get the same power that ford does out of a smaller motor and plus the
    LS-1 isn't even a true dual exhaust thats really totally sad....so once again ford wins....and if mustangs suck that bad then why are they some much more popular than camaros and trans ams...think about it and just wait till 04' when those cobra R's come out they're gonna blow the z06 and any camaro or corvette or trans am out of the water just like the 00' cobra r did

    peace </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> your true about the no real dual exhaust but ford needs superchargers to get horspower now thats pathetic i know this has more hp than the z06 but the z06 is naturally aspirated and has only 5 less hp. and the new cobra might be fast and might have a lot of hp but it will also cost the cost of a porsche<!-- Signature -->
     
  22. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Hoseman</i>
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    <b>camaros, plain and simple, are NOT better looking than mustangs. that point is not up for argument</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    Especially those ugly ram air trans ams.</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> Trans ams arent ugly but its all a matter of opinion. and also mustangs are chick cars thats wh ythey are called PONY cars. ponies are small horses for pussies wh ocant ride real ones cough teh trans am cough.<!-- Signature -->
     
  23. <!-- QUOTE --><center><hr width="90%"></center><blockquote><i>Quote from Ferrari550GT</i>
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    <b>you know what else is funny chevy has to have a bigger motor to get the same power that ford does out of a smaller motor and plus the
    LS-1 isn't even a true dual exhaust thats really totally sad....so once again ford wins....and if mustangs suck that bad then why are they some much more popular than camaros and trans ams...think about it and just wait till 04' when those cobra R's come out they're gonna blow the z06 and any camaro or corvette or trans am out of the water just like the 00' cobra r did

    peace </b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE --> your true about the no real dual exhaust but ford needs superchargers to get horspower now thats pathetic i know this has more hp than the z06 but the z06 is naturally aspirated and has only 5 less hp. and the new cobra might be fast and might have a lot of hp but it will also cost the cost of a porsche</b></blockquote><center><hr width="90%"></center><!-- END QUOTE -->

    The cobra will cost est. 35k, so what new Porsche are you talking about? And for all you who still want to compare the cobra to the z06 just stop, no one cares that the z06 outhandles the mustang.
     
  24. I was talkin about the 2000 Cobra R with 385 hp and the 2000 Z06 with 385<!-- Signature -->
     
  25. Well you said the new cobra, but anyways if you meant the 2000 Cobra R, then that is not supercharged, it has an NA 5.4L
     

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